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Supply Side/free Market/Trickle Down/Liebertarian/No Regulations==all of the same failed economic/political propaganda designed to transfer wealth UP the social hierarchy.
It only works because so many think that one day they will be in the 1% who benefit from this rape of the middle class. Some do, but over time it kills a society who over invests in it. One average: its a bad policy/theory for 99% of the populace, 90% of whom are too stupid to do the math, and 9% who delude themselves they are destined for greatness or feel the same as long as there is someone around poorer than they are.
Just LOOK!!!!!
I look and I see.
I know a handful of millionaires. Every single one become such here, in the US. Every single one of them came to US with way less than average poor, never mind middle class citizen of US. Every one of them came with a need to support even worst off family overseas.
I know people of similar talent, abilities and drive back in various countries of Europe, Middle East and Far East. None of those people advanced. They are doing OK, mediocre in the societies where they are. Many on doll’ of their Government.
Of those millionaires in US, none ever complained of any obstacle and injustice. They all rave about the land of opportunity this was for them.
So, stop complaining. What is keeping down poor and middle class in US is just themselves. Nothing to do with “system”. System is just fine.
I am the son of an immigrant and like to think of myself as successful. I still think that the Right is a bunch of xenophobic racist greedy *ssholes.
Alix–we can all be successful on any number of measurements. Having a good job and a secure retirement for our kiddies is becoming rarer and rarer with the continuuing WEALTH TRANSFER TO THE SUPER RICH as expressly advocated by the Republican Party (fair enough) BUT voted with approval by all the throat cutting 99% who vote that way.
Greedy Self Centered Bastards are easy to understand. But why give them the knife and applaud while they cut your throat?
THAT doesn’t make any sense.
The problem here is that you don’t identify which system.
The economic system is doing fine. Capitalism is by far and away the winner in creating wealth, but for whom* and at what cost**?
The political system is as broken as can be without the unemployed, underemployed, uninsured, underinsured and the despised taking up arms***.
The wage disparity and income inequality has occurred, and is accelerating, at the interface between these two systems.
Nobody takes issue with me when I write:
That’s because its true and our political system has finally broken down, again.
If we want a representative government, we’ll have to RE-create it. (There were no parties in 1776.)
If we want smaller government, we’ll have to take out the incentives for its growth too.
The error of (y)our ways is that, despite the evidence of hundreds of years of history, you keep on electing self-selected, self-anointed members of the milionaires club, people who have no understanding of what the lives of the citizens of this country are like.
That fits in with Einstein‘s definition of insanity: “Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”
*) Wealth is created based on a return on capital. The income distribution trouble were experiencing is because the capital is due to the concentration of the sources of capital. Less than a fraction of one percent own 80% of everything. The last time that this happened, there were kings and emperors sitting as figure-heads atop a huge corporate accounting structure.
**) Cost is more than a mere counting of dollars.
There are societal costs like health, not just health insurance. What kind of an economy can you have when more than half of your people are sick because of diseases related to obesity?
There are environmental costs where the responsibility is shifted to the future and payback will be a bitch. The predicted tree foot average rise in sea levels will redraw large portions of the coastal maps to beyond the boundaries of most world capitals. It will be enormously expensive to abandon those sites and they will have to be abandoned.
***) The people taking up arms was a very real possibility in the thirties. Roosevelt was in power then because he was anodyne and the Glass-Steagall banking reforms after the total collapse**** of the banks, TVA and other dam projects, the WPA and other government (ie fascist) projects were an efective way to build the nation while waiting for capitalism to recover from the free market follies of the twenties.
If you want to see an example of the wrong way to do it, I would refer you to the communist governments in eastern Europe. Their only weakness was that they destroyed private incentive for any progress. Eventually the wealth and capital of the Tzar had completely dissipated and the Soviet Union collapsed.
**** Free marketers are to be blamed because, like accountants, they don’t see farther than their bank books, and their legers are very light in externalities. (The accountants viewpoint is an extremely shortsighted one.)
Unfortunately, those externalities are what make life worth living, despite their never appearing on the balance sheets.
Tzar Alexander II was quite right when he exclaimed that he had “never ruled Russia, ten thousand clerks ruled Russia“. And look where leaving ten thousand clerks without adequate guards on them got him, blown up by a bomb. Then look where having the same accountants got Nicholas II.
msbpodcast == well said.
Ha, ha.
Dismal–you say: “I look and I see.” /// Well done. Now, you need to read PodCast and think some more. You can get there, if you try, if you want to.
Stop being a stooge, and taken advantage of, all to your own detriment.
I’ll put you down in the 90% who don’t understand the math since you make no allusion to a positive future for yourself or kiddies.
Silly Hooman. Not evil. Just Silly. ((Well–presumably until you vote.))
“Supply Side/free Market/Trickle Down/No Regulations”
Does the same policy extend to no-subsidy/ no feather-bedded pork barrel projects/ no bail-outs/ no import-restrictions….?
Someone Very Special—I think those are corruptions of what can be honestly held economic theory, but more often than not they are the intended application of wealth transfer to the Rich mechanisms WRAPPED in the language group tested to appeal to the 99% who are too stupid or too blinded by their own hopes to join the 1%.
You read Dismal and it becomes apparent that Reality as a hammer hitting you in the nose will more readily be understood to exist than will the Reality that merely picks your pocket while telling you it is the franchise of freedom.
Imagine that?
OR… Donald Duck head!
or Nixon’s head, ala Futurama.
So, Bobbette – I take it you think confiscatory taxation. discouraging private investment, expanding dependence on the Federal gubbmint, increasing surveillance on lawful citizens. borrowing trillions of dollars to fund programs like the TSA and healthcare and the “same failed economic/political propaganda designed to transfer wealth UP the social hierarchy” is a better choice?
Ask yourself at what point in his career as a low paid community activist or O’Bama’s two years at $175K in the Senate, did he cross the line and become a multimillionaire?
Home run!
Just I think proper spelling is Communist Activist …
As they say here in Thaiand: same, same.
He published a book. Lots of people bought it. Millions in royalties.
The American Dream.
There is a lot to be said for the presidency being decided by the NYT best seller list.
It would be true democracy, you would have a president that could at least read and write and who understood the difference between fact and fiction – and presidential debates between Stephen King and John Grisham would at least be worth listening to.
Jesus Christ!!!
Then Bill O’Reilly would be prez…
Animby–go to end of the thread. I do this not knowing if you prefer it from the front or the rear.
Yes, I know: same, same.
If it’s Newt or Mitt vs Obama I’m not sure which party I will vote against. But I will definitely vote against the Republicans if Santorum is nominated.
Let’s get real, Noob Gingrich will lose against anyone. He’s an arrogant ass and women hate him. It’s gonna be the Mitt Romney – he feels the pain of the poor.
I actually like most of Noob’s ideas but he sadly he has the Christian Taliban up his ass. Santorum is February’s flavor but he actually has the taliban even further up his ass.
Recommendations for Mitt Romney:
-Yell ” I’m rich and I’m proud so get used to it”
-Go on the Ellen Degeneres show and suck up
-Tell a minion to check him at JC Penney
-Hug a Christian Taliban and say “Jesus loves you too” !
Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so.
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
– Matthew 19:24
Mitt Romney is doomed.
I just don’t see any of the other turds surface to overtake Mitt. True, he’s a little weird ..Canadian of sorts, but he’s least loon.
He’s not looking to enter the kingdom of God. He’s looking to enter Washington, D. C., specifically, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, which is about as far from the Christian version of the kingdom of God as one can get.
Except maybe a bunker in Berlin in 1945.
We need a ballot system that provides for the option NONE OF THE ABOVE.
If NONE OF THE ABOVE wins the election, the election cycle starts over again.
Just thinking outside of the box …
…And have 2 more years of political commercials???? Yikes!
Ok here’s the difference between Newt and Romney. You go out to have a beer with each of them and this is how it goes. Newt drinks his beer and your beer, kisses your wife in the mouth and tells you that you are useless and walks away leaving you with the check.
Romney takes a gulp of his beer and then tells you to finish his and yours, then when hes got you smiling, he tells you to pay for both because if he pays, he wont be able to create jobs. Oh and your job was just outsourced to China by his investment company.
Take your pick.
You can’t give me some other choice?
Roseanne Barr?
Hey – she couldn’t be worse than O’Bama or Romney!
Mormans drink beer? They don’t even drink tea.
Of course Mormons drink beer. If you invite one Mormon to play golf with you he’ll drink all the beer since no one can see him. Always invite two.
Later Obama would come into that same bar. Point at some guy in the corner, who’s dressed nice. Say the reason no one can have more beers is the fault of that guy.. He would then spend the next hour pointing at that guy, blaming him for everything from the taste of the beer.
He would then conclude the night, by using some of his buddies to beat the crap out of the guy, take his money, and use that money to buy everyone else in the bar as many beers as they want. When the police come by he would get off by calling it “social justice”.
If Barry O went into the Bar he would buy a beer for everyone, get up and sing a little, sit down buy a beer for himself and watch the basketball game on the TV with everyone else…..
I think those “Heads” came out of the Monster’s A$$ !!!
It’s looking more likely that bHo will win. That actually lends credence to apocalyptic theory. There are many disasters that lead in to the end of the world. A bHo reelection would be an undeniable disaster for humanity so it’s probably part of the prophesy.
Ah, yes. Prophecy.
The Prophesied End-Time Revealed
Get ready, for the apocalypse is nigh!
2008 – God’s Final Witness
The year 2008 marked the last of God’s warnings to mankind and the beginning in a countdown of the final three and one-half years of man’s self-rule that will end by May 27, 2012.
On December 14, 2008, the First Trumpet of the Seventh Seal of the Book of Revelation sounded, which announced the beginning collapse of the economy of the United States and great destruction that will follow. The next three trumpets will result in the total collapse of the United States, and once the Fifth Trumpet sounds the world will be thrust into WW III.
And so on and so on and blah … blah … blah
That’s May 27, 2012, be sure to mark this on your calendar.
You don’t want to miss this event.
I hope you don’t mind if I just pencil it in for now. I never use ink until I get my official Apocalypse Update from Harold Camping. He’s due to make some new predictions soon, so I’m on the edge of my seat while he corrects his last arithmetic error.
In the cartoon, I’d attach the Romney head. Mitt is much more talented at adapting to new political circumstances, while Newt is just talented at adapting to new spouses.
Newt or Romney?
NEITHER, and NOT Obama either!
Animby says:
2/10/2012 at 7:58 am
ACTUALLY, Animby, thank you for being so dumb I get to parse you once again:
So, Bobbette – I take it you think confiscatory taxation. /// Kool Aid. We are currently taxed at the lowest level in decades. Thats one of many reasons the deficit is growing so fast.
discouraging private investment, /// Is it? The middle class doesn’t have any extra money to invest if that is your reference point. If its the Billionaires keeping their tax payer supplied profits that is only an issue of “timing” waiting for lower and lower tax rates from FOREIGNERS like you killing the American Middle Class.
expanding dependence on the Federal gubbmint, /// thats very definitional. Its the water we all swim in.
increasing surveillance on lawful citizens. /// Ha, ha–I’ll just bet THATS your real complaint. Didn’t see that surveillance camera did you Animby. Never do in private, or when you think its private, what you wouldn’t do in public.
borrowing trillions of dollars to fund programs like the TSA // every shotgun blast will eventually hit one target or another
and healthcare /// healthcare? What you got against people getting healthy?? I have never used the healthcare system, but I have known people who get sick. I’d rather have my money taken than get sick. So many Pukes fail to make that objective and subjective and values laden “leap.”
and the “same failed economic/political propaganda designed to transfer wealth UP the social hierarchy” is a better choice? // I think you made a typo there and didn’t make the contrast the structure of the statement calls for? But I have already shit in public for too long to guess at the several piles you may actually be thinking of. Yes, I know the cameras are on.
Ask yourself at what point in his career as a low paid community activist or O’Bama’s two years at $175K in the Senate, did he cross the line and become a multimillionaire? /// Again with the money??? Ha, ha. How is that question relevant to anything important in your life Animby? YES OF COURSE everyone in congress/Pres becomes filthy rich because they all get paid off. THEY ALL DO IT–so what is your point? Ask yourself that Animby—then tell us all?
THE POINT OF THIS THREAD—-I prefer to have a stupid, base, criminal, bought and paid for liar in Office who every once in a while throws me and my kiddies a crumb of social justice. YOU on the other hand appeal to want to be bent over a barrel and raped in public with NEVER a respite by the stupid, base, criminal, baught and paid for liars you advocate for.
Why you so dumb?
Bob says:
2/10/2012 at 2:44 pm
I was gonna say: “All you left out was calling him a N*****. But you didn’t go racist, so I won’t either. Besides, fact is, Obama is way to white for me.
So, let’s parse:
Later Obama would come into that same bar. /// Comedy Gold!
Point at some guy in the corner, who’s dressed nice. Say the reason no one can have more beers is the fault of that guy.. /// So THAT guy is a public health inspector and has found out that some other Rich Guys have pissed in the beer for a good laugh on all the low brows not drinking imported Wine? We are all benefited by such people aren’t we?
He would then spend the next hour pointing at that guy, blaming him for everything from the taste of the beer. /// Well, the Rich guys pissed in it. What is it that you don’t understand that most people don’t like Budweiser?
He would then conclude the night, by using some of his buddies to beat the crap out of the guy, /// Hah! Now you certainly pulled that out of your ass. Sure you didn’t mean target him with a drone?
take his money, /// Obama hasn’t raised a single tax. You are starting to make things up like a ditto head and a birther. You aren’t a Birther are you Bob?
and use that money to buy everyone else in the bar as many beers as they want. /// Name one example of Obama policy doing that? I could help you with that, but want to see you drink the piss thinking it is beer.
When the police come by he would get off by calling it “social justice”. //// Well, you got me there, but I think Obama calls it “only fair.”
So, who was that guy in the corner?
Then figure out the reason no one in the bar is buying beer is because they don’t have a job, or if a job, no raise in 10 years.
Reality. Why do you vote Republican?
I must here publicly apologize to Animby.
I should never call you “dumb” because you are dumb. You only act dumb. Big difference that should always be kept in mind when thinking about the 99% who vote Republican.
Its all emotional.
Just as I was when getting upset and embarassed when Animby started it all by calling me Bobbette. But in reacting to this cruel taunt, I became the monster I was trying to tame.
Ahhhhh—POLITICS!!! No wonder Ghandi made thread. Probably a violation of some international corps patent, but the Corps weren’t fully intwined in Indian Society at that time.
These days: snip, snip.
“I should never call you “dumb” because you are dumb.” /// Ha, ha. What a bad place for a typo. Freud is wearing his fanciest dress today.
Animby–it is quite instructive to look at a self throat cutting stooge like Bob just above.
Note his worst criticism of Obama/Democratic/Not Puke social policies: after taking money from the rich ((which he hasn’t done—sadly)) he buys everyone in the bar a beer, or I guess worse: “as many beers as they want.”
You see the VERY DIFFERENCE I counselled you about? Obama, as a politician, is certanly corrupt and venal, but EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, he does give the 99% a crumb. It was in Bob’s view a rich guy that was denying everyone in the Bar a beer–even those that could still pay for it.
Yes—there is a difference, a BIG difference, between the Dumbos and the Pukes. Just because they are all corrupt paid for liars doesn’t mean there aren’t still differences.
Why with you massive brain power, and world experiences second to none, do you refuse to recognize this reality?
Dogma. Much like an Oath. Why do you follow the former and breach the latter?
Yea, verily.
Now Santorum is against women serving in the battlefield and prefer they stay home and cook something.
This will cost him.
Ha, ha. Thanks Dallas. I can now righteously go for 5-6-7 straight without fear.
Imagine a society where women and GLT’s are treated like everyone else?
Does remove a power base for so many with nothing but hate in their world view.
Broaden the base of who is considered legitimate and small power based clusters are more difficult to maintain. In that respect, I give the Pukes credit: while they dabble in the bigotry of 50 and 500 years ago, they do concentrate of something with lasting generic appeal: envy and greed.
the trick they have mastered is getting the poor to think that giving their money to the rich is a form of Freedom.
Even Animby falls for it. Not surprising at all Bob does.
Ha, ha. Silly Hoomans.
Just heard this joke from CPAC, as best as I heard and recall it: “A liberal, a moderate, and a true Conservative walk into a bar. A moderate at the bar says: “Hi Mitt.”
Fun to watch the dipshits eat their own.
Saves bullets.
The cartoon is so fake! I mean seriously, Newt’s head would never fit in that size jar. Come on, be real!
True. He makes money human weather balloon.
Yes, Bobbo.
I read your rant(s). I’m probably too dumb to appreciate the insights contained therein. It must be terrible to live in your world where the people around you have opinions that do not always align perfectly with your own. Me? I’m just gonna have another dumb cup of coffee and hope it stimulates a brain cell or two.
Either one is preferable to the current president who is engaged in a war against the middle class. This has always been the preference for Communists, who feel the upper classes can be coopted but despise the bourgeoisie who let the current situation stay as it is. Obama has said he wishes gas prices to go up to European levels of about $10 a gallon, his only regret is that he wishes gas prices had gone up gradually. He stated that he wished to bankrupt coal power plants, which drives up energy bills. Then he increased car mileage mandates which raises the price of cars and eliminates many models that people want. Some number of middle class would have to do without, while others lose thousands of dollars to get their car.
This post is satire, right?
How could you post this when Rick Santorum has moved to the front of the pack, to the point where Newt Gingrich’s casino mogul has decided to stop bankrolling his campaign.
Newt is unstable.
I prefer Romney because he is stable and he has a solid record of accomplishment behind him. He might even be able to turn the Obamanation health care bill into something half way sane or at least salvage bits of it though I doubt if the dems or the repubs would let him.
However I now know what to expect form Obama and will vote for whoever is running against him that looks to get the most votes.
The real issue for me is preventing the US from becoming a destitute beggar nation in five years or less.
I know that many of the liberals that post here don’t think that this can happen to the US no matter how unreasonable and imprudent we are for reasons that utterly escape me. All I’ve been able to come up with is willful stupidity.
Animby===pretty mild stuff to go catatonic over. Everything about you screams you should be a lib===but you advocate for the Pubs. Never any explanation. The facts you do post are mostly wrong or without distinction.
So the question fairly remains. Doesn’t mean it will be answered for myself or for you, but the question will still fairly remain as the same question does for each and every one of us: “Why do you think what you think and how do you change your mind?” I’d think the more intelligent the person, the more captivated by the question that person would be. What else is intellect/curiosity/honesty about?
So, lets parse:
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Animby says:
2/10/2012 at 10:59 pm
Yes, Bobbo.
I read your rant(s). /// A specific fact/analytical respons to each point you make is a rant? Ha, ha.
I’m probably too dumb/// I said just the opposite and have said even here just the opposite. If you were really dumb, I would start claiming you have sex with your donkey. I can’t see ever doing that. ((Yes–that is a joke. Sorry PedoBear, I couldn’t pass it up.))
to appreciate the insights contained therein. /// I think there are a few, not to be dismissed as you do. Doesn’t mean I’m right, only that some insight should be used to counter them?
It must be terrible to live in your world where the people around you have opinions that do not always align perfectly with your own. /// No, that is the very stuff of an intellectual life. How to understand these opposing opinions? Can I make peace with them. Modify my own opinions from what I have learned?
Me? I’m just gonna have another dumb cup of coffee and hope it stimulates a brain cell or two. /// Any ritual can be an aid. I use beer and wine coolers, but any ritual will do.
Attitudes and Values are complex subjective things. Hardly ever right or wrong, just what bent us. Its what we say and do to other people that are more objective–subject to falsification. What do you do when you discover your facts are wrong or even just balanced? Does one remain adamant or an advocate or just start taking pot shots? Thats why I parse.
Try it. Ha. ha.
I don’t think I’ve told you a single thing you don’t already know better than me. Just habit patterns, a rut?
But truly good people everywhere: I don’t understand why anyone in the 99% vote Republican. When intelligent people make no sense, the questions have to be asked.