Father says:

I’m climbing on the fence.

No boubt 80%+ of the researchers involved in the science, and 100% of the investment organizations, are in it to survive. That is, they need the money research/investment money to pay for their lifestyles, how ironic.

We will never know what the data shows because money corrupts the science.

Civengine says:

“when natural forces and human forces became intertwined”

Uh, we aren’t part of nature? We evolved… Therefore, nature made us and we are wrecking a natural change upon the planet.

I laugh every time someone talks about how humans can make choices and choose to not impact nature. No, you are subject to the whims of instinct, which is natural. Humans want to procreate, have their offspring grow up to have more offspring, and biologically reproduce just like every other species.

Some individuals actually do change their ways and don’t have kids or impact the planet much. But those people are not “successful” in the biological or natural sense we apply to every other creature on this planet. They self-prune from the gene pool.

Mikey Twit says:

Christ, since homo sapiens with fully functioning “modern” brains emerged hundreds of thousands of years ago, we’ve been predicting the end, with or without religion. I’ll let you decide if this “green” global warming, climate change, whatever the hell they’re calling this hour movement is another religion.

Same as it was, same as it ever was.

clancys_daddy says:

Bacteria have, and will always win, the survival game. Whatever species have existed the bacteria were here first and will be here last. It has always been the age of the bacteria.

Skeptic of the AOBCCS says:

Todd, raw data has to be cooked… to be safe for consumption.

bobbo, we think with words says:

Most of you are just entrenched in lazy non-think anti-science unimaginative mode.

Will “the earth” be here after hoomans have died/evolved off this planet?—yes, irrelevant.

Can/have/are hoomans make such changes as to bring on a new “epoch” in the evolution of life on earth?===by definition, of course==any child can see this. When all “top predators” exist only in zoos and genetically in 3 cryobanks is that a “change” worthy of the name?

Same sort of non-think label spouting BS that demonstrates the ignorance of science. Good thing “progress” can be made by 1% of the population. To that end==science doesn’t tell us if losing all large mammals on earth except for humans and their pets is a good or bad thing==only that the present curve is taking us there.

Silly Hoomans.

Skeptic of the AOBCCS says:

re:#14, amode., “Climate change exists…”

I don’t think anyone has ever disputed that.

amodedoma says:

#15 So when is someone going to suggest a little disaster preparedness?, probably when famine sets in and people are dying in the streets!

signed – Knee Jerk Reactionary.

OTOH – I’ll leave it to some future scientist to label this epoch according to his criteria. When they’re digging up our remains I doubt our labels will go far in revealing the chaos of our context.

cgp says:

Don’t forget the H2S poisoning death of all vegetation when the global ocean conveyor currents cease to flow, which de-oxygenates the oceans leading to hydrogen sulphite emissions.

Glenn E. says:

So they’ve given up on the “meteors will kill off mankind, like it did the dinosaurs” theory of mass extinction. Now it’s the “irreversible climate ruin, caused by too much progress and procreation” theory of it. Sort of a dressed up version of the Thomas Malthus “Malthusian catastrophe”. In fact it wouldn’t surprise me if these four scientists were members of the ISM. That’s the International Society of Malthus.

In a basic way, I agree that too large a world population will negatively effect us all. But I believe that increased levels of air and water pollution, will eventually regulate the growth rate. Basically, we’ll poison ourselves into birth control. Long before any significant climate effects will.

And perhaps that’s what all these climate changers are covering up. All the chemical and biological waste contamination of our natural resources. While they’re screaming about climate change. The news avoids the oil spills, and sulfurized air, reports. You don’t hear a damn thing anymore about acid rain, or medical waste washing up on beaches. Did all that magically go away? Yeah, if you want to protect the chemical industry’s bottom line. Make all the bad news about the air being a tad warmer. And blame it on EVERYBODY.

ECA says:

#22, glenn..
If you looked at a few of my links.
You may see something interesting.
The Oxygen content is around 20% and falling.
The reasons are many for it to happen.
Plants love it. but we keep cutting them down, and blaming Other countries, like areas around the amazon.
there are a few comments in those links that suggest if/when we drop 2-5% more, we wont be breathing very well.
Even now, look around and see how many people are having problems. It isnt just Allergies/colds/flu, many just cant get enough Oxygen. And CO2 is a heavy gas, it sits in the bottom. It will pool in lower areas.

” * At 1% concentration of carbon dioxide CO2 (10,000 parts per million or ppm) and under continuous exposure at that level, such as in an auditorium filled with occupants and poor fresh air ventilation, some occupants are likely to feel drowsy.
* The concentration of carbon dioxide must be over about 2% (20,000 ppm) before most people are aware of its presence unless the odor of an associated material (auto exhaust or fermenting yeast, for instance) is present at lower concentrations.
* Above 2%, carbon dioxide may cause a feeling of heaviness in the chest and/or more frequent and deeper respirations.
* If exposure continues at that level for several hours, minimal “acidosis” (an acid condition of the blood) may occur but more frequently is absent.
* Breathing rate doubles at 3% CO2 and is four times the normal rate at 5% CO2.
* Toxic levels of carbon dioxide: at levels above 5%, concentration CO2 is directly toxic. [At lower levels we may be seeing effects of a reduction in the relative amount of oxygen rather than direct toxicity of CO2.]

Symptoms of high or prolonged exposure to carbon dioxide include headache, increased heart rate, dizziness, fatigue, rapid breathing, visual and hearing dysfunctions. Exposure to higher levels may cause unconsciousness or death within minutes of exposure.”

Watch for it in CLOSED work places. as well as other poisoning from Materials in walls and Cubicles.. Fresh air is required, and limiting generally makes everyone Sick about the same time you are getting OFF WORK..

bobbo, we are all marked by the beast says:

ECA–thanks for the links. This motivates me even more to make a hobby of “electrolysis.” Get some solar cells to crack water. Originally this was just to create hydrogen as a power source but now even more benefit by pumping the O2 into my house. I can smell the ozone now!!!

Amusing the number of postings that say .6 to .8 increase in co2 is no big deal. But I for one did not know about the toxicity TO HUMANS of atmospheric co2. Course, the ocean really should die off before that level is reached. Maybe that will be the wakeup call the non-scientific majority need?

JimD says:

It’s already too late !!! The “Intelligent” humans have F*****D THE EARTH !!! Like a FUNGUS IN A PETRIE DISH, HUMANITY WILL EAT ALL THE “GROWTH MEDIA” AND JUST DIE OFF !!!