Eric Morris says:

Wow! I am sad to see the comments on this post. I am 17 and for people to hate him this much because of his views that they cannot even admit when he is funny is sad. He made a joke about something that is disturbing. He wasn’t even mocking your “holy one” so get off your high horses you idiots!

bobbo, most things are plain to see says:

#35–Diesel==scratch that last line. I was thinking I was responding to Dr. Dodd there for a bit. A bit of repuglican thinking there on my part. Sorry.

Mr Diesel says:

Bobbo,

http://stevebuyer.house.gov/Assets/your_life_your_choices.pdf

I have read most of it and IMHO it guides you towards checking yourself out instead of being a “burden” on your family.

I’m sure there are a lot of people here who have some sort of experience with the issue and it sucks.

My Mother suffered a hemorrhagic stroke and the docs asked me if I wanted to let her go or give her a feeding tube. No tact whatsoever so naturally I felt like going medieval on his little dumb ass.

I gave her a feeding tube and although she still can’t verbally speak and she is in a nursing home after 7 years I have never regretted it. I don’t want Obomba or any other idiot with no skin in the game coercing me into doing what they think is right because of costs.

Maybe I’m just more sensitive to the issue than most……

Mr. Fusion says:

#39, Mr. Diesel,

That link has nothing to do with HR 3200. It is a pamphlet put out by my former, before his district was gerrymandered, Congressman. A good man.

End of life is a personal decision. Many, if not most of us, would like to make the decision while we are still capable of making it. So while your mother is kept alive by your decision, is that what she would have wanted?

Laying unconscious, having nutrients given through a tube, having her diaper changed on a schedule instead of when needed, not knowing what season it is, her bed sores cared for, … . That though has all been chosen for her.

I know of no one who would willingly chose life like that. Because we don’t view it as a life. Yet, at the same time, who has the authority to let her finish her life.

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In the past you have been asked to provide some citation to language in he bill creating “death panels”. The link (I think it was you) you gave was complete nonsense. It was solely about physicians being able to bill their insurance for “end of life” counseling.

pedro's (very embarrased) daddy says:

#40, Mr. Monster Lawyer Sir,

Pedro, he takes it up the ass, in the mouth, with both hands, anyway he can get it. He’ll even take out his glass eye for you. If you want him to keep an eye out for you he can arrange it.

bobbo, an international pastry Chef and Constitutional Scholar says:

#39–Mr Diesel==thanks for the link. Its a standard document not targeted to the VA nor in coercing any particular outcome other than=======in all kindness and only partial facts====the advice that EACH PERSON should decide what they want while they are in shape and able to write it down giving direction to their substituted care giver.

In your rendition of facts, you make it sound like the care your Mom is getting is the result of a personality contest between you and your doctor. THATS NOT WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. I will assume that you have gotten caught up in your anger at the doctor ((almost always well deserved)) and forgotten that you are also doing what you know to be what your mother would want were she able to speak for herself? That is the legal standard and the only standard talked about in the manual you provided.

I do agree there is a linguistic bias towards ending life so as not to be a burden, but it is subtle===about as subtle as everyone who is being a burden at the end of life really should forego death sustaining procedures. My own instructions are to physically kill me with a Brompton’s Cocktail when I can no longer change the TV channel by blinking my eyes.

But thats a different issue for another thread. My mom and I joked for years that she would NOT LET ME be her consent giver because I would kill her off at a moments notice. When she got sick, she signed all the papers with my sisters, making me the alternative consent givers==much to the dismay of my sisters. Hah, hah.

Watching our parents waste away is not pleasant. It has motivated me for myself to get it over sooner than I might have thought without witnessing the slow decline. Again, maybe just me.

Mr Diesel says:

Actually it was a tough decision to make at the time and the doctor was young and had a few others with him.

I can honestly say that my Mother has never laughed more in her entire life than she has in the last 7 years. Of course she has never cried more either but that is partially because of the type of stroke she had.

Fusion, she never spoke about what she wanted ahead of time so I did what I thought was best at the time. My Brothers and I have decided that any major change or incident in the future will be to let her go.

Her neurosurgeon said she would be a vegetable forever. I have a problem with that dipshit as well.

She drives her electric wheelchair and she plays games on her Dell we got her. She has cable and she can watch what she wants on TV or DVD. She also goes through the paper twice a week for sales and taught herself to write again with her left hand (she was right handed).

She is paralyzed totally on her right side and can’t speak. She loves her nursing staff and they love her and it shows in the care.

Like I said, I am a little sensitive to the issue.

Like you, all my paperwork says check me out early and often.

Fusion, I am pretty sure that if I post a link it isn’t nonsense but I vaguely remember the one you are talking about and it wasn’t me. The ones you and I have gone back and forth about were page numbers in a PDF of HB3200. I has always said that “death panel” was a bad name.

eaglescout1998 says:

# 25

Bush was a big-time spender, you’ll get no argument from me there. I don’t think he could locate his veto pen if his life depended on it.

He cut taxes which helped…. but then had to go and spend money like a drunken Democrat. “Compassionate conservatism” turned out to be a code word for “liberal in disguise.”

Even when one subtracts the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Bush is still the biggest spending president since L.B.J. (that is, until Obama got elected).

Mr. Fusion says:

#48, Mr. Diesel,

My apologies sir and the best for your mother. I made the mistake of assuming she was in a coma. I was wrong and sincerely apologize for any appearance of disrespect. Your reply is a model of civility.

Having lost my father just before Christmas I can understand your emotions. My parents had discussed the issue between themselves and let us kids know what they wanted. They even prearranged their remains; only where they live does not allow them to feed the fish.

I too have made my wishes known verbally to my family and in writing.

deowll says:

As for as I’m concerned Michael Steele is the head of the organization called the Republican party until somebody shows up with a better claim.

Rush was funny. I think he also made clear to the thinking why this sort of thing doesn’t belong in publicly funded schools.

Private schools are different. As long as the people paying the bills are happy, I’m happy.