in search of reason says:

The majority of the people that are willing to refuse the vaccine are not anti-vaccination. They are people that are worried about how fast this vaccine was created, how minimally it was tested, and how the companies that make it are indemnified from prosecution by the United States government. The last time an H1N1 vaccine was used in 1976, more people died from the vaccine than from the flu. I have no problem with vaccines as I take the flu shot every year, but this rush job with no recourse if something happens is not a shot I am willing to take. If it comes around in a year or two again and the results from this year were positive then talk to me about it.

Mr. Fusion says:

Bobbo,

Such excellent comebacks and responses; my hat is off to you sir.

You have saved me several replies which I would, no doubt, have done much less diplomatically than you.

Mr. Fusion says:

#33, Benji,

I had all of those vaccines and never got any of those diseases. I have had the flu since 1995 when I got a flu vaccine.

I like the first part. A sane response.

I am very sorry to hear about having the flu for the past 14 years. That must really be a bummer. If you haven’t already, you should see a doctor. The flu should only last a few days to maybe a couple of weeks in extreme cases.

Since I’ve been getting flu shots for quite a few years now, it was only a couple of years ago when they missed a prediction in what type of flu would develop that I became sick. Yup, flu vaccinations worked for me.

🙂

Benjamin says:

#37 Mr Fusion, I hope you were joking and not by some twisted logic made you assume that I had the flu continuously for 14 years. “I am very sorry to hear about having the flu for the past 14 years. That must really be a bummer. If you haven’t already, you should see a doctor. The flu should only last a few days to maybe a couple of weeks in extreme cases.”

I have had the flu on about two occasions (no more than a few days at a time) since my flu shot in 1995. You missed the point when I said that flu shots are not affective like mot vaccines. Flu mutates so fast that by the time everyone gets vaccinated for H1N1 than it will mutate so the vaccine everyone gets will not protect against it. Not to mention the confusion caused by having two different flu vaccines that are out there.

Besides, our bodies have something called an immune system which makes its own defense against disease.

Mr. Fusion says:

#38, doill,

1.) Doctors have told me this is completely untested and they are more afraid of the vaccine, especially the nasal spray, than the disease. 2.) The other is they have been sticking something that should cause resistance to H1N1 in the seasonal flu shots for decades and I’ve been taking them so just maybe I’m resistant.

First, no sane doctor is going to tell you NOT to get vaccinated. Yes, there are some real kooks out there, but no sane doctor will argue against it. The vaccine is tested. Abet not as thoroughly as other vaccines due to the emergency nature. It uses similar components as vaccines in years past.

Second you appear to making this shit up as you go along. There is nothing in previous vaccinations that would give immunity to the H1N1 strain.

What makes the H1N1 unique is that most other strains are deviations of previous strains that have mutated some. The H1N1 is an almost totally new strain where similar strains haven’t hit since maybe 1957. Most people below 50 have no immunity excepting their natural defenses against this strain. People over 50 will have limited immunity.

I don’t care if you get the flu this year. I do care if you get it and pass it on to someone else with an already depressed immune system.

Aaron_W says:

I haven’t had the flu in many years and I haven’t had a flu shot in over a decade. I’d get sick for a month or so every November after getting the seasonal shot though. I quit getting it and I quit having problems. Connected? I don’t know but I don’t think I’ll be getting any flu shots as usual this year. Swine Flu is a just a scam, if you get the flu stay home, rest, and get plenty of fluids. I’d rather not be the person who gets permanently damaged by some rushed through vaccine.

Terry says:

Benj:

In most cases, a flu shot (any flu shot, seasonal or H1N1) may not prevent you from getting the flu, but if you do become ill, the antibodies in your blood created as a result of the vaccine will likely prevent you from suffering life-threatening complications during the course of the illness, and allow you to recover faster. Current data shows that hospitalized patients with H1N1 experience major complications and, in some cases, death, due to underlying medical conditions such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), obesity, diabetes, heart disease or pregnancy (which greatly reduces the mother’s lung capacity). Normal, healthy adults probably won’t experience any of these complications, but you increase your chances of avoiding all of them by getting the vaccine.

The vast majority of H1N1 patients, however, are not hospitalized and recover completely in the normal course of the disease. In that sense, it isn’t much different than normal seasonal flu. Unfortunately, data from the southern hemisphere (which is at the end of their flu season just as the northern hemisphere is about to begin ours) suggests that H1N1 is far more contagious than most strains of seasonal flu, thus causing the World Health Organization and many of its member partners to strongly encourage people to be immunized with the H1N1 vaccine.

The vaccine has been tested extensively among a group of about 20,000 volunteers, and clinical trials have indicated that a single dose should be sufficient to provide immunity for most people, rather than the two doses originally expected to be necessary. This is good news.

You can, of course, refuse to take the vaccine. All immunizations are voluntary.

I have absolutely no idea why this is causing such hysteria in the media. The public health community may have overreacted last spring when the disease was first identified as a novel influenza virus that no one had seen before, but they didn’t want to be caught with their pants down if the pandemic had turned into a public health emergency. You can imagine the kind of criticism they’d be getting from all sides if that had happened.

Cap'nKangaroo says:

It has been said several times already in these posts, but I’ll repeat it.

This bill DOES NOT authorize authorities to break in and force vaccinations on those who are unwilling to be vaccinated.

And this bill is not H1N1 specific. “(d) Law enforcement authorities, upon order of the commissioner or his agent or at the request of a local public health authority pursuant to such order, shall assist emergency medical technicians or other appropriate medical personnel in the involuntary transportation of such person to the tuberculosis treatment center.”

It appears someone is stirring the sh*t up.

Mich says:

For the nanny government supporters
Be aware that most decisions don’t come from your elected people. They come from WHO, WTO etc… your elected people get money and power if they comply. Your interest is not important. It’s the same in every country that has no human values any more. Where money, force and fear rule, anything is possible. Don’t trust anyone who wants to force something on you by scaring you. People are killed and sterilised with vaccines all over the “third” world for their own good. Don’t be scared, I’m not forcing anything on you. I admit, I live in Europe, my English is bad. Bye!