As flu season approaches, many New Jersey parents are furious over a first-in-the-nation requirement that children get a flu shot in order to attend preschools and day-care centers. The decision should be the parents’, not the state’s, they contend.

Hundreds of parents and other activists rallied outside the New Jersey Statehouse on Thursday, decrying the policy and voicing support for a bill that would allow parents to opt out of mandatory vaccinations for their children. “This is not an anti-vaccine rally – it’s a freedom of choice rally,” said one of the organizers, Louise Habakus. “This one-size-fits-all approach is really very anti-American.”

New Jersey’s policy was approved last December by the state’s Public Health Council and is taking effect this fall. Children from 6 months to 5 years old who attend a child-care center or preschool have until Dec. 31 to receive the flu vaccine, along with a pneumococcal vaccine.

Among the speakers was Robin Stavola of Colts Neck, N.J., who said her daughter, Holly, died in 2000 at age 5 less than two weeks after receiving eight different vaccines, including a booster shot.

“I am not against vaccines, but I do believe there are too many,” she told the crowd.

I’ve only had a flu shot twice in my lifetime. Once in boot camp, and I immediately got the flu, the other time (Fall 2000) a week later I contracted Dengue fever (damn near killed me). Were they connected? Who knows, but I have not had a flu shot since…or the flu. I’ll take a pass.




  1. brm says:

    #29 J:

    “If you want to keep your kids and home school them fine then you don’t need to get one.”

    This would make sense if we had school vouchers. Too bad so sad for all the parents who can’t afford to pay private tuition while at the same time subsidizing the public schools with their tax dollars.

  2. Mr. Fusion says:

    #25, Cow-Paddy,

    Sometimes it helps to read the article first if you are trying to make a point.

    The Rochester study, for example, happened to look at the effectiveness of a vaccine during two seasons in which the flu strain included in the vaccine was not well matched to the predominant circulating strain that was making people sick. That could explain the lack of protection among the vaccinees — the shot may have been protecting against the wrong flu proteins.

    Another reason for the flu shot’s failure may have been the fact that certain forms of the vaccine are more effective than others in children. In this study, most of the children received the injected vaccine, but recent studies have shown that the nasal spray, known as FluMist, appears to be better at protecting youngsters from influenza

    “Five hundred subjects may sound like a lot, but once you start stratifying them by age, by whether they received all of their shots, or which year they were immunized, your total number gets smaller.”

    All of which means that, as this study’s results show, we need to become more realistic when it comes to our expectations of the annual flu shot. There is no guarantee that it will work, but on a population level, odds are that it’s better to get a flu shot than not. …(snip) … We are not going to eliminate influenza through the use of this vaccine. But we can mitigate its devastating impact on the population if we get immunized.”

    Oopps, I apologize. For suggesting you were trying to make a point when it is well know you never have a point to make.

  3. J says:

    # 30 brm

    “This would make sense if we had school vouchers. ”

    What the fuck do school vouchers have to do with anything?

    If your kid goes to school ANYWHERE they should have to get the shot. If you HOMESCHOOL I don’t think it should matter.

  4. J says:

    # 31 Mr. Fusion

    Paddy cake isn’t real good with the whole reading thing.

  5. LibertyLover says:

    #29, I don’t believe adults expect those in the heath care profession should be forced. Children if they attend public school should be required. You don’t have a right to put other children at risk because you are a fucknut!!

    If you are worried your child might be exposed to someone who hasn’t had the flu shot, perhaps you should ensure your child has it then.

    If you want to keep your kids and home school them fine then you don’t need to get one.

    That would be grand except the government steals my money to fund the school. Perhaps if were to get a refund . . .

    #32If your kid goes to school ANYWHERE they should have to get the shot. If you HOMESCHOOL I don’t think it should matter.

    Who said that? Oh, those who spend Type IV money.

  6. MikeN says:

    People just want to mandate more and more things.

  7. bobbo says:

    HAH!!!!!

    The tug of war between ignorant superstition based on “personal experience” and science based studies.

    Amusing.

    For myself, I “trust” that the science is correct way more often than I am==but my intellect swims in the sea of emotional self-centeredness. So while I “Know” I should get Flu Shot, I don’t because in my life I have been rarely sick so why meddle with it?

    I’m being superstitious and I know it.

  8. bobbo says:

    #38–mcrislip==curmudgeony but very helpful. Thanks.

  9. Mr. Fusion says:

    #38,

    Well put. And quite humorous too. Thank you for your contribution.

    Any questions from our resident dumb asses?

  10. Uncle Patso says:

    # 35 LibertyLover said, in part:

    “That would be grand except the government steals my money to fund the school.”

    Okay, go live somewhere there are no public schools. Then tell us how great that is.

    I get a flu shot every year, in the hope of increasing my odds of living longer than my father did. Eight years to go; wish me luck!

  11. LibertyLover says:

    #41, “That would be grand except the government steals my money to fund the school.”

    Okay, go live somewhere there are no public schools. Then tell us how great that is.

    If the school voucher program would ever get off the ground, I would. Vouchers are way to return the money to the parents who don’t wish to send their kids to the school in the districts where they live. With vouchers, you could actually afford to homeschool your kids.

    AFA flu shots, I’ve had two. Once I got sick. I don’t know from what, but I was out of the loop for a few days. The second time, I felt under the weather for a couple of days.

    I don’t get flu shots. I’ve had the flu twice in my life that I know of. Lots of orange juice and rest and I was ok.

    My wife doesn’t them either and I don’t think she’s ever had it.

    My kids don’t get them and my daughter had it once. The rest haven’t at all.

    I have no problem with people getting them if they want them. It shouldn’t be a requirement. The government forces you to send your kids to school after they take your money to build the schoolhouse and then they force you to treat your kids as someone else sees fit. What’s next, haircuts for fear of lice?

  12. qsabe says:

    Flue vaccine is cultured in egg white. People allergic to egg white injections get very sick when they get a flue shot.


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