I think it’s amazing that our man baby president elect is complaining about a recount in an election where he lost the popular vote by 2 million. After all, he’s the one who was saying that the election was rigged, and I believe him. But it was rigged in his favor.
I have decided I’m not accepting the election result that Trump won. Trump said before the election that he wouldn’t accept the result if Hillary won and he never accepted that Obama won claiming that Obama wasn’t born in America. Trump was helped by Russian hackers and our new first lady will be America’s first Soviet born Communist raised first lady. So the results of the election are meaningless to me. I intend to give Trump all the respect he gave Obama.
I have a hard time believing that women voted for a pu**y grabbing playboy, that Christians voted for someone who referred to his daughter as a “piece of ass”. There comes a point where it’s just too weird to believe and so I don’t. Trump is a dunce and a clown and he’s incompetent. America is in deep deep trouble regardless of what you believe.
JCD can troll better than this.
This is low-energy, low-effort.
I expect better.
You should not be allowed to be an Author on this site
Dang, Marc. You sure can be nasty when you want to be. If I were JCD, this article would not be allowed until cleaned up.
So why you support pardon for the guy who made it happen?
“America is in deep deep trouble regardless of what you believe.”
America was in deep deep trouble no matter who won this pathetic contest.
Ain’t reality a Bitch?
Imagine a world in which women DO ELECT a pussy grabbing obviously lying full of himself unqualified narcissist? ((ftn #1))
YOU don’t like it…. lots of emotions ….. but what does it “mean?” It means a whole lot of people have other priorities… like blowing the gubment up. THAT IS THE VERY PURPOSE OF ELECTIONS…. rather than armed rebellions which is the only other option. The American System, the best of it, totally on display.
As to posting a highly marginal opinionated Original Post? Why not on occasion?….. or all the time? Ha. Ha. The forum then becomes what it always has been: What it is.
Note the two kinds of responses: Liberal: why its right or wrong.
Conservative: lets ban an author.
typical.
It hasn’t fit anywhere and I’ve seen no one anywhere mention it but “the first thing” Trump said getting off the Bus AFTER the pussy talk was that “Melania said it was OK for me to hug you.” (not a quote…but what he meant). I thought that was actually endearing and revealing.
It’s cognitive dissonance. Perkel posts about Pig Trump who will be rejected by the ladies. Then the ladies didn’t do it, so now he has to try to adjust. Concluding that Perkel is wrong is too difficult, so he goes elsewhere. Nothing wrong with Perkel; it is how people react.
A totally correct recognition of cognitive dissonance and on of its very common resolutions. Well done.
As Dvorak correctly points out, without California the 2 million figure for the popular vote would be bullshit. Thankfully we have the electoral college to save us from the land of fruits and nuts.
As far as who is banning who, the *fake* liberal media seems to be the one entity that wants to ban the voice of the opposition.
Hows that?…. the banning of the voice of the opposition?
Related: you cast another voice for arguing that people living in sparsely populated areas of the country should have a greater impact on who gets elected president in this country. Can you give ANY explanation for this?
None has so far been coming.
We are NOT a geographic melting pot.
We ARE a divided nation of coastline, “got-to-have-it-now”, “anything goes”, city dwellers, and rural open-space, “what’s-the-rush?” conservatives.
You wouldn’t complain (this time) if the situation were reversed. We need an honest Electoral process, the same way we need the structure of the Senate and House of Representatives.
Who’s complaining?
I only asked for the rationale. You know: actually supporting with reasons, logic, and facts what is posted????
……but yeah…. I don’t see why the Pres should not be elected by popular vote…… and if we don’t and keep the EC….well…. thats history for you. Always good to know the “why” of things.
Yes. It’s always good to know the “why” of things.
The alternative would be like The Hunger Games. Already many of the wealthiest counties are surrounding The Capital District.
Maybe you should quit being lead around by that ring in your nose chained to Trump’s buttplug. Idiots follow every tweet and media release and act accordingly, boring. Remember back when we had really great presidents? NO. It never happened. Trump sucks. Too damn bad. Don’t live your life based on politicians. Don’t forget what the alternative was.
This article is BS and really sucks!
I think Trump needs to let the FBI do its job.
He shouldn’t be trying to protect Hillary from selling influence to foreign countries via the Clinton Foundation.
Hillary for Prison 2017!
Headline should read “Little Marc cries about election results”.
Why is it the same people who said “Trump not accepting the election results if there is evidence it was rigged is a direct threat to our democracy” are now saying it must have been rigged for Trump to win without any evidence?
Trump is a close match to what Bill Clinton campaigned on in 1992.
And in personality, isn’t that far off … both play loose and fast with the truth and both had affairs. Both had some potentially shady dealings (Bill Clinton: Whitewater at a minimum, Trump: Trump University at a minimum).
Bill Clinton: pro gay marriage, doesn’t care what bathroom Caitlyn Jenner uses.
Trump : Same.
If Trump had a (D) next to his name, the Democrats would love him.
I find it hilarious an anti-Republican won the Republican nomination.
Trump = against free trade, doesn’t go to church, doesn’t really care about abortion, doesn’t care about gay marriage.
Trump spent a lot of time hanging around Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and was a Democrat for most of his life and even donated to Hillary in 2008.
Now with the (R) — he’s super-Hitler!
Nailed it.
I think he could have won running as a Democrat. Republicans would have crossed over, both Ron Paul supporters, and others engaged in Operation Chaos, and others who enjoy watching him beat up Hillary. After the actually won the nomination and Dems circle the wagons, then Republicans would have gone crazy trying to take him down, and watching the media’ defending all his scandals.
He would not have won the nomination. It was Hillary’s turm, and the fix was in.
Drumpf made the right decision. What other party other than the Libertarians and Greens would nominate a Nut Case???
You gotta go Full Puke to do that.
Maybe the fix was in, but he did very well using that to seal the Republican nomination, just as Cruz seemed to be gaining. He would still be running against Crooked Hillary and threatening to run third party if he is not given the nomination. Would that ‘fix’ hold?
I suspect he could have won with almost the same issue positions, just by changing his opening speech. Instead of Mexican rapists and a wall, maybe nationalize the health insurance companies and jail the cheating CEOs. He would slowly back away but the initial feeling would be there for liberals that this is who I trust.
I expect more from this blog.
Really JCD?
Fake news I guess….
Waaaaaa! Waaaaaaa! WAAAAAA!!!
Trump won.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAA! WAAAAAAAAAA!!!
… See! I can write a BETTER article.
Only if you can do it in twitter. The cheeto jesus is whining about how he won. Sore loser is one thing sore winner another.
Here’s your man of the people, the guy who’s going to “drain the swamp”, bring jobs back:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/trump-tax-plan-cuts-wealthy-low-income-inequality
There’s more. Read it if you have the stomach. Whoda thunk, a billionaire asshole whose only contact with regular people was to try to screw them in business deals, is proposing tax cuts for the rich and tax increases for the rest of us.
Feeling that buyer’s remorse yet, wingnuts? You will. You will.
Anyone?
Anyone care to justify his tax cuts for rich people and tax increases for the rest of us? Anyone care to justify him lying about the one reason many people voted for him?
Anyone? Bueller?
So you are surprised that middle class families are not getting a $220,000 tax cut like the rich?
His tax plan is based on increasing jobs, by attacking the anchors of trade, regulation, and taxes, as well as reducing illegal immigration. He also mentioned in the campaign to deal with an additional anchor of monetary policy, but I haven’t seen that again.
BS, NFS. You avoided the question. Trump promised to cut taxes for non-rich people, but he’s raising them. Rich people are getting HUGE tax cuts.
But thanks for playing. You have more guts than your fellow wingnuts. They all ran away.
That’s not guts. Most people run away from a confused bum yelling in the street.
And here’s your future leader of the free world, weighing in on Castro’s death via tweet:
And for comparison, working to normalize relations with Cuba, here’s Obama’s statement:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/11/26/statement-president-passing-fidel-castro
Notice the subtle difference between the gloating of the petulant man-child, and the attempt by a statesman to acknowledge the death of someone still loved by many Cubans, but firmly in the past.
It’s going to be interesting to have an idjit in the White House for 4 years (in the way of the old Chinese curse… may you live in interesting times)
Nevermind that Fidel was a ruthless dictator with a long list of human rights abuses.
Statement by Trump:
Obama’s a Marxist, so we would expect a more celebratory statement from him and Trudeau was worse. However, we have to consider that Obama is a master playing a clever game. On his watch we have the deaths of
Castro, Chavez, Bin Laden, Kin Jong Il, King Abdullah, Vo Nguyen Giap, and Khadafy.
That was a little better, now if he can just restrain himself from the snide tweets…. oh, who am I kidding?
Obama a Marxist, right. You forgot born in Kenya and a secret Muslim. 🙄 🙄 🙄
I was gonna post “how does a nation best position itself when an oppossed leader dies?…by pointing out the disagreements (looking at the past) or by trying to point out a hopefully better future (NOT looking at the past).
I do think the latter “probably” is the wiser choice……but reading the two statements, some war hawk in me says Trumps is better.
Its what standing for Liberty and Freedom means…..the Class Warfare going on right now notwithstanding.
Cuba insulted Obama a few different ways when he visited.
They didn’t greet him at the airport. They lectured him. Something else I can’t remember.
I found it offensive.
After Phydeau gets caught in a lie, all he can muster about Trump’s actual comment is “That was a little better …”.
The big difference between Trump’s comment on Castro and Obama’s comment is that everything Trump said is the hard truth about a horrible despot, whereas everything Obama said boils down to his typical mealy-mouthed appeasement.
I’ll never understand why Obama was is in appeasement mode to any old 4th world country. Not allowing our flag to be flown on our bases in Haiti as we were helping them after the earthquake was just too much. Just the converse, they should have required people to be holding an American flag to qualify for a free meal.
I agree but diplomacy is not about telling the hard truth….its about achieving one’s goals…..and how to best go about it. THAT might allow for telling the hard truth from time to time. I’m leaning more towards Tump’s statement…but only as a rare exception.
USA does not need/qualify to be PREACHING morals to the rest of the world. It never works.
PlusMinus, Trump tweeted out his little jab first, then eventually tried to issue something more normal. Next time, if he wants to appear presidential, he should skip the tweet. But snarky little tweets are what he does. I don’t think he’ll stop. 🙄
And yes, we don’t expect wingnuts to understand diplomacy. You don’t have the higher brain functions.
Why don’t you bother reading his ‘autobiography’ or listening to the audio version where Obama says it himself, while conveniently leaving out his mentor, a card-carrying Communist.
Have you noticed DT’s tweets are a bit odd lately, he is tweeting in the third person. Who does DT think he is, Salvador Dali?
http://nyp.st/2gdWX5F
It is deliberate, but I am not versed enough in his method to explain it.
However, it is not new. He did the same when announcing his Muslim ban for example.
Ok, I missed those tweets. Illeism, but what is DT’s intentions? To expand his ego, make himself larger. IDK.
Not the tweet, check out the press statement:
“Donald J Trump is calling for a total ban on immigration of Muslims until we can figure out what the hell is going on.”
One was written by a speech write one was written by the author. Which one do you trust the most?
I know a large number of woman who voted for him just b/c they feel so strongly about the abortion issue – they vote against any candidate who is pro choice – they argue it is murder .
large number: as in whats left after the majority of Americans support a woman’s right to choose? THAT kind of “large.”?
Dolt.
Even if your datapoint is correct, which I doubt is still the case, the keyword here is ‘just’.
Or maybe he meant a number of large women.
Did anyone actually expect man baby Trump to grow up when he got elected? Trump is a disaster and America will suffer because of it.
Should have supported Bernie before the last minute.
Can’t point the finger at other people now.
Too late.
Like the rest of us, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Absolutely agree Marc..When things go well in his favor, He has no problem. The electoral college system should have been abolished when, Bush took Florida
What do you propose to replace it? Popular vote? Might as well only allow cities with population greater than one million to vote.
Why disparage the vote of cities with fewer than one million people? Shouldn’t all votes have the same weight?
If not ….. why not???? …….((….crickets…..))
Having NOTHING but talking points will do that.
No idea…..just howls.
What part of “popular” don’t you understand? It means the person who gets the most votes wins the election. Whether they’re living in cities or towns. Add up all the votes nationwide and whoever gets the most, wins. (Although there are variations on that too, if no one gets more than 50%, or if “none of the above” is a choice.)
I understand the idea behind one man one vote i.e. popular vote. It sounds great on paper…
If you live in one of the major cities, and lets face it, they are almost all liberal,. your American experience is vastly different from mine say in Alaska, Montana, Missouri or what liberals like to call “flyover states”, a term which is dismissive and derogatory in and of itself. The founding fathers knew this, and I think its even more important now then it was in the late 1700’s.
I linked to a good OP by Slate above as well as another explaining this. Maybe you and bobbo should read it instead of denying that we have not given you any reasoning behind why we support the EC.
I won’t wast anymore time on this, someone who doesn’t understand the very real aspect of voting clusters, is never going to get it.
YOU have given NO REASON AT ALL.
Here is my argument: “The Internet.”
I can make your “best” argument, and it only applies in a system that is trying to maintain “States Rights” as if that was more pragmatic/functional/sensible than the USA as a Nation State.
the laboratory of democratic experimentation has worth to it….but I think the evidence is in that denying popular vote for the President is not one of them. Its role is to protect the POWER of the Republican Party to counter what is best for MOST CITIZENS of the USA.
Think through what you think you think. What “values” are you supporting?
The problem with a purely popular vote is that the retards win 100% of the time.
I don’t know what the best system would be, but weighted cumulative voting would be better for starters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulative_voting
the whole world but the USA uses popular vote. They all must be wrong. Good wingnut reasoning.
I much favor cumulative voting….doesn’t that negate your mindless talking point?
Bobbo is trying to use the global warming = “because consensus says so” line of reasoning.
Note: While being on the fence about global warming, I heard today that temperatures have dropped 1 degree celsius in last 6 months.
/Don’t know if junk news or actual news, they cited NASA but who knows.
Doesn’t really matter to me because I think we should go all electric and zero emissions because of pollution and energy efficiency.
Save fossil fuels for jet engines, which currently are only option. Cars have no business using fossil fuels.
Hmeyers says:
11/28/2016 at 10:21 pm
Bobbo is trying to use the global warming = “because consensus says so” line of reasoning. /// Not at all. World of difference between politics and science and any reference to a consensus. Politics = emotions, Science = facts.
Note: While being on the fence about global warming, I heard today that temperatures have dropped 1 degree celsius in last 6 months. /// Of course…and meanwhile in the Arctic Circle its 36 degrees warmer than usual. Until you have amount of area involved and length of time of every “area” on Earth….. you got nothing but ignorance.
/Don’t know if junk news or actual news, they cited NASA but who knows. /// The best lie has a kernel of truth…. or total truth completely not understood.
Doesn’t really matter to me because I think we should go all electric and zero emissions because of pollution and energy efficiency. /// Yea, Verily
Save fossil fuels for jet engines, which currently are only option. Cars have no business using fossil fuels. /// Lots of green energy sources for all the jet fuels. Sitting on the shelf ready to use. Just have to scale up.
Even if the 1 degree worldwide drop is true — and I don’t readily believe anything I read —
I wouldn’t be too inclined to think it means anything.
The one thing I don’t understand, the sun used to have distinct sunspot cycles (11 year period, if I recall).
For a while now, the sun hasn’t had sunspot cycles nor hardly any sunspots.
Strangely enough, this was first reported in science journals about 6 months ago, and they said it would lead to cooling.
Which, I didn’t particularly believe at the time to be quite honest.
Nor do I entirely put any stock in it now. But if the trend continues another 6 months to a 1 year, that would be different.
[to bobbo]
I finally looked up what “wingnut” means. http://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wingnut
Assuming you mean the first definition, now it is perfectly clear that using the term is another liberal way of name calling when that liberal is unable to respond cogently to something which the liberal doesn’t agree with.
Too funny: A right-winger whimpering about name-calling. 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄
DJT is using an old military strategy called poisoning the well. This goes back hundreds of years. Take what you need from the well and then throw garbage/sewage in it so no one else can use it. When he waves his hand and makes the proclamation of voter fraud – same thing. Hopefully no one will want to revisit that issue.
Trump is out of his league. He’ll probably resign because he can’t handle the job.
Apparently you have become five again. Good luck with that.
🙂
Marc Perkel July 21, 2015
Marc Perkel Sept 27, 2016
Excellent reviews given what was known at the time.
What do you have against time revealing all?
So you’re bet is on Perkel, and Trump will resign soon?
So is true or just fake news or something?
2 hours ago: Jill Stein missed Pennsylvania Recount Deadline
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pennsylvania-state-department-says-stein-missed-recount-deadline/article/2608305
The media sucks so bad with fake news and inaccurate reporting I don’t know if this is true or not.
Seems to be true, the deadline has officially passed.
Well, now I hear the deadline Was met.
According to what I have read since, the deadline passed.
She’s trying to sue to get a recount after the deadline.
Means she has to provide direct evidence of fraud, from what I’ve gathered.
And from what I’ve read, over half the counties have submitted certified vote totals which they are saying means they can’t be recounted.
/If the news are fully accurate, and you never know whether or not its quality stuff or not.
USAToday:
“Pennsylvania is more complicated where Stein can’t simply file for a recount. She must win a lawsuit and provide evidence of voting irregularities or she must get three voters in each of the state’s 9,163 voting precincts to request a recount — although at least one election official says the deadline for a voter-initiated recount has already passed. Even if she overcomes this major hurdle, there’s this problem: Pennsylvania relies on electronic voting machines and there is no paper ballot or receipts to look at in a recount.”
http://usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/28/recount-need-to-know/94547368/
There must be a way to count digital votes. Software can tally and report back a count, not having physical votes to tally should be faster. Each district gives amount and add them up, no?
What’s the point of even having such a recount? It is ridiculous to not have paper ballots, and a black box declares who won.
COMPUTER: XX wins with 53% vote.
PEOPLE: We demand a recount!
COMPUTER: XX wins with 53% vote.
I agree with you here, NFS. There is no point in recounting electronic-only voting. If someone went in and changed the numbers, they could have modified logs and such to make it undetectable. Only physical paper ballots matter. 🙁
The 25th Amendment outlines rules of succession to the U.S. Presidency and Vice Presidency in the event of either or both of them dying, withdrawing or being removed from office. It was certified on February 23, 1967, by President Lyndon Johnson.
“Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.”
Wikipedia 25th Ammendment
The above maybe useful If DT runs roughshod with the POTUS powers.
Marc I don’t understand why you named Christians for voting for DT, I have long time friends who are Jewish and love DT. You should know I’m an atheist, have been for a long time. I agree with some of your points, DT did behave as a man baby child and spews fear, changing the news cycle with wacky tweets, to distract the populous.
We should extend the electoral college system, with each state’s electoral college votes given to the candidate that wins the majority of congressional districts in that state, ties given to the statewide popular vote. That would put an end to recounts pretty quickly, as now you are limited to even smaller groups. Imagine having to recount the entire country in 2000. Now you wouldn’t even be talking about 3 states but maybe a handful of counties.
I’d settle for returning functions the federal government doesn’t do efficiently back to the states.
Return those jobs and the money back to the home states.
Currently, Washington has too much power and attracts the vultures (lobbyists).
With reform, they could still lobby, but there would need to be 50 times as many so it would cost more and create more lobbyist jobs and be less effective.
Like what?
I think if the electoral college were expanded to the county level, it would bring the government closer to the people.
The problem is centralized government, where the elites dictate to the people without listening.
An enhanced electoral college, would help people like Hillary have to listen better.
She never campaigned like Trump (who visited damn near everywhere) or even like Bernie who had huge crowds and talked to a ton of people.
You mean people living in single family residences having more votes than people living in four plexes? ((The density issue))
Just what do you mean????? EC and “closer to the people.” Its the Koolaide talking.
Well my idea was each congressional district is worth one vote, and whoever wins more of these gets all the votes for the state. Your problem of apartments vs houses goes away as more people means more congressional districts.
You could also do like Maine and Nebraska nationwide.
don’t know Main and Nebraska…but EC would be “closer to the people” if the results were applied proportionately instead of winner takes all.
but if you are going to modify the system, why not just go direct election?….Every voter treated the same. Can’t get more involved than that.
Trump won one electoral college vote in Maine, Obama won one in Nebraska.
Thanks for the ad hominem attacks y’all, rather than actually addressing my points. (No one has seriously challenged my point that Trump plans to cut taxes for the rich and increase for the poor). It just shows you got nothin’. You lose, but you get to pretend you win.
You’ll be feeling that buyer’s remorse… 😉
No it’s not an increase. You have cuts in ObamaCare taxes, energy bills, and lots of other taxes. There is an increase for one group of people, due to a loss of some exemptions. That is not the same as saying ‘the poor’ or ‘the middle class’. I personally would raise taxes more on the poor. Not much, but so they pay a little, and would be more likely to oppose the tax increases liberals keep trying to pass.
“Not much, but so they pay a little, and would be more likely to oppose the tax increases liberals keep trying to pass.”
Wow…I read that and thought Lyin’ Mike was back in good form: you mean Hillary’s proposal to increase income tax on those earning over $250K?
Yes…. that would have hurt poor people right where they live.
Dolt.
And here’s a little history for all the folks favoring the Electoral College… it was put in place to give slaveholding states extra leverage. They had slaves that couldn’t vote, but they still wanted to count them to influence the election.
There is no modern reason for the Electoral College.
If you could, how would you make it different that it is right now?
than
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I misspell and mistype more than anyone else here. I assume the forum members easily read and understand without additional posting of what is obvious….unless the error itself is not that obvious…. ie…rarely.
Gee Whiz===isn’t the alternative a simple national popular vote the highest vote getter wins? I mean…thats what been discusses for a few days now.
“….vote WHERE the ….”
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Way to be part of the solution Marc.
I hope you’re feeling ok. Truly.
There is no solution – we’re all screwed. But – I’m going to be on Fox news tonight – Tucker Carlson show. 7:30 eastern.
Should be fun. I’ve set my DVR.
Whats the over/under bet on how many times he interrupts you before he cuts you off? I’ll go with 3.
I’ve wondered how to best counteract their heavy handed control/directed interview technique. Obviously yelling back and continuing to talk doesn’t work and may be even what they want. It would take some time but I wonder what would happen if on interruption the interviewee immediately stopped talking and then when the interrpution was through…. ask the host if he wanted you to finish the answer you were giving to his first question … or forget that and answer the question he interrupted with?? I forget now if I have ever seen that happen, or I just remember thinking about it.=====Pro’s and Con’s.
My other favorite when two people are talking over each other is at the end have one person having finished his statement actually answer the question being interposed and then ask the host to respond to what the interuptee was saying. And when the Host says: I don’t know, I was talking. The response would be: “If you can’t listen to your guests while you are talking, maybe you should talk less?” But thats a dream too.
DANCE monkey DANCE.
…………………have fun.
If you’re still watching Marc, don’t let him go Bill OReilly on you. I get the impression he is fair as long as you don’t get unhinged. Stick to the points you want to make and feel you can defend.
Oh and talk about the server. If you don’t do it, you could end up with Hillary in 2020 for President(instead of parole).
Morning Joe had one minute on a Republican Congressman who is going to introduce a bill to privatize MediCare (gee…usually its social security..so I may have this wrong…or not with what I say next). Trump was unequivacal while campaigning that he was not going to change MediCare but killing the Middle Class has been the continuing dream/program of the PartyForTheAlreadyTooRich since Reagan. As stated: Trump goes along with the Puke majority…or sets himself up for impeachment by his own party.
Elsewhere: Thom Hartman reporting on USA based Big HealthCare planting anti-National Healthcare stories in the UK. They want their system privatized too so they can gain entry into that market. Same thing they are doing in the USA: make small changes that cause the system to not work and advertise the failures……then provide privatization as the cure.
The Bastards.
Isn’t our Fascist State a marvel to observe?
They are trying to bog Trump down to keep him away from immigration and trade policy.
They….. are all sorts of right wing lobbyists for various special interests some in conflict with one another and the Congresscreeps they have in their pockets.
Privatizing “everything” is WingNut Mantra—its how you skim the economy for your additional Billions in deferred income.
I don’t see any “bogggin down”…I see a pile on with every special interest trying to get what they can while Trump is there arguably open to giving it to them.
Trump won’t touch “entitlements”.
One of the best things about him. Trump really is a Democrat, but the kind before the Democrats got into “safe spaces”, “white privilege” and outsourcing jobs to India just like the, what you call them, the Repukes.
I’ll keep my fingers crossed too. Of course he has his druthers…….but he wants Republican support too… at least not to get impeached. If he were “still” a Dem…he wouldn’t be picking his cabinet the way he has so far.
But yes, its an open question.
I’m confused. And I know I might regret it… but set me straight.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/15/former-alarmist-scientist-says-anthropogenic-global-warming-agw-based-on-false-science/
OTOH: good article…almost “fair.” So…increased co2 IS a green house gas…but more of it is not heating the earth but rather it is more water vapor? That has been proposed and rejected before.
You and I are not climate scientists. I will go with the opinion of 97% of scientists AND the formal written position papers of 100% of profession wide scientific groups thats its co2 all the way.
Just as everybody does for any subject that is does not have big money behind it to slime the society with false information.
Note: any scientist that could debunk AGW would get the Nobel and World Wide Acclaim………….but they just can’t do it.
You can find many more articles on why evolution is not true. Who ya gonna believe?
Hardly anybody says it’s CO2 all the way.
And CO2 doubling produces 1.2C of warming, absent feedbacks.
“all the way” is overstatement. Its just “right now” the gas that has to be controlled. The other gases contribute but “right now” are not driving the system.
Knowing that a double of co2 is only 1.2 C is a good data point to keep in mind. Good on you. Your grandkiddies are still at risk….because more than doubling is on its way.
Show-me-a-link bobbo, when provided with a link to a scientist making a claim counter to his religion, not only dismisses it summarily, but adds a touch of extreme prejudice for shits and giggles.
You abuse of your anonymity so much that the employ of that device is inseparable from the persona you have crafted in this forum.
PM==its basics. … re the 97%. The 100% is one I dug up.
If you want to play patty cakes…….find a wingnut.
The sciences is in…. Remember these people cannot predict the weather a week in advance on a local scale.. how are they supposed to predict it on a global scale years from now?
I’m not sold on global warming or AGW or CO2 being the cause or even not being the cause.
Maybe because alarmists and deniers pump out so much shoddy information, it is hard to filter.
That being said, if it is in the mainstream news and not a science journal — I would lean towards immediately being hesitant to accept even the story as true and valid …
Your average writer/reporter doesn’t have enough science and statistics background to be able to distinguish or interpret or reject what has been handed to him/her.
simply not true. Everything science knows, you know through popular media. This isn’t an even balance disputed issue like whether or not eggs are good for you.
AGW is a settled issue on which the REST OF THE WORLD is wanting to take action. But…USA has free speech for Corporations, and corportions are out for the next quarters profit…the grandkiddies to fend for themselves.
If you go with science as you say….there is no doubt.
If the rest of the world wants to take action, then they can do so. The US represents 15% of emissions, so the other 85% can make a pretty significant dent.
I suspect the reality is the rest of the world just wants to claim it wants to do something while they collect money.
The numbers are interesting with the point being why should the rest of the world do anything if the USA is leading by claiming its all a hoax?
Of course…. they “should” take action nonetheless…….BUT ONLY just as the USA “should.”
Its where the USA really could “lead” rather than default as we do in too many areas to Europe….. and Lord Love Us on green energy, even China.
Its what happens when your society loses the Class War and the AlreadyTooRich win.
Why should the USA do anything, when the Chinese portion is going up not down?
Paris deal reduces temperatures by about .2C, and that is not from current temps, but from the increase that will happen, according to the models, like +4.6 instead of +4.8
China alone accounts for double the emissions than the ‘safe’ level, and it is increasing. All they agreed to was a peak around 2030, while they are fast increasing current levels to give them more breathing room, at which point they will demand more money to reduce.
Actually try iccc.org. For the nonexistent conference for contrarians. There are several years worth of intreging content that should open eyes for those with eyes.
Some damn funny presentation too!
Warning: viewing will create wrongful thoughts.
Marc Perkel.
Welcome to Fox News.
You’re an idiot.
OK. I just read “Who the Hell is Marc Perkel “.
http://perkel.com/marc.htm
You’re half an idiot.
Marc Perkel, good job on Fox News. I agree with you on most of your points, if not all.
No flag burning!!! And President Trump does not want anyone to be burning the flag… I wish everyone would give this man a chance for petes sake..Never know he may just turn out and be the best President that the US has had in a very long time. We need to All come together and STOP the BS.
Point is: Trump won’t be the best president if he starts restricting free speech to only that which he agrees with.
Bill of Rights: protecting the ignorant from its Leaders for 240 years.
Enjoy your freedom…… and stop trying to throw it away.