No matter who won it would be a disaster. This election was all about selfishness and personal ambition and greed. The truth was push aside for sensationalism to generate eyeballs for the press to market to advertisers. I would have felt a lot better if it were Biden vs. Romney, but instead it was bring in the clowns.
On the positive side Trump could end up being a great president if he did it right. Nut he has no experience in public office at all and he’s going to have to totally fake it. He’s likely to be surrounded by people with their own ambitions and agenda and he going to be clueless as to what to do. The most likely outcome is Apocalyptic Disaster.
Not only is Trump clueless but he’s barely able to contain his bizarre personality. Under the pressure of a real job he’s likely to melt down and go back to pussy grabbing and personal grudges. And there’s a good change he’s just going to up and quit like Palin did, leaving the country to Mike Pence to restore the Dark Ages.
All the things he promised in the campaign were all lies, and that’s a good thing. He is obligated to no one. The Dems hated him and the Republicans stabbed him in the back. So there’s potential to take his independence and do something great. And I hope he does because otherwise – we;re all f**ked big time.
If I were Trump I’d find the best Dems and Republicans and put together a party splitting coalition that would break the Dem/Repub gridlock. I’d have people like Romney, Bill Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Orin, Hatch, John McCain, Chuck Shumer, Ron Wyden, all former presidents, and other’s who would form a team to figure out Trump’s single real promise – to make America Great Again.
Such a move could actually turn things around. I doubt he’s going to do it or anything that makes sense. And I think we’re totally screwed. This is what happens when you turn your back on reality. And America is going to have to pay the price.
One thing I predict is that what will happen will be a surprise to everyone. No one can predict what will happen so all of those who think they know are all wrong. Even though I’m an Atheist, we can only pray that things aren’t going to be as bad as they are likely to be. Unless we get it together, this could be the crash of global civilization. It is my hope that all of us rise to the challenge.
Speaking of defining our terms….such as Great….
Kissinger on Fareed Zacharia just touted Trump “because he comes to the office without baggage.” He then defined baggage as owing anything to those who helped you get into office…I think referring to political strategists or theorists mostly.
………….well………thats one kind of baggage.
but there are others.
This is a very good assessment of our situation. Thanks! The question is whether people who act in the best interests of we the people can overcome what is clearly a pyschopathocracy. I don’t mean that as an ad hominem insult. I mean it as an observation that we have put a person in power who is seductive, amoral, narcissistic, and sadistic. Citizen’s United tipped the balance toward psychopathocracy. It looks like the right wing clown car has arrived at the White House, so I don’t hold out hope Trump will be swayed by the blue ribbon crew you mention above. Trump is beholden to the irrational right, and he will throw them a few bones – mine, for sure. One thing that looks like it is shaping up is a movement to hold him to his campaign promises. Or perhaps the Dems can double down next time and run Bernie Madoff?
This is a disappointing screed.
People voted Trump and Republican because your party royally screwed everyone for decades.
” This is what happens when you turn your back on reality.” Ugh, this is the Democratic Party in spades. There is a reason why the Republican Party has become so powerful and the Dems so weak.
The Dem party, run by a bunch of demigods and lunatics. The people finally had enough.
Get a clue, buy a vowel, get your head out of the sand. The strategy of the Dem party has failed us all.
It’s time to try something else. Time for Hope and Change!
“your party screwed everyone for decades ” //// Ha, ha. Poor OH__NO! The very worst thing the Dumbos have consistently done is let the Pukes hollow out the gubment thru lax taxation and lack of regulatory enforcement.
Maybe you’ll see the light when soc sec is privatized (ie==stolen by Wallstreet), obamacare is terminated and not replaced (the Dumbos will be blamed for all ills even when totally not in power) RYANon TV: the replacement will be “refundable tax credits.” BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.
The wolf in the chicken coop is: FOR PROFIT MEDICINE==which like Wallstreet is nothing but organized rape of our society.
Poor OH__No. No clue. No ideas at all.
C’mon OHNO===Shirley you have an idea as to what would make America Great. Is it build a wall?
What?????
Surely
The troll’s life (and worldview) is stuck in a 1980’s comedy.
“Please don’t call me Shirley”.
I’m not. I was correcting Bobo’s spelling.
I know, I didn’t mean to imply you, I meant to imply the troll you and I were both referring to.
Sorry for the misunderstanding!
I’d have people like Romney, Bill Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Orin, Hatch, John McCain, Chuck Shumer, Ron Wyden, all former presidents, and other’s who would form a team to figure out Trump’s single real promise – to make America Great Again.
Yea, that’s the Dream Team.
I’ll give you Ron Wyden though.
Here’s a place for bobbo and phydeau to go.
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-bubble/3428577
NoF…Sense: how could I make fun of Trump if he didn’t get elected?
Just like BushtheRetard: a total FUBAR of the economy is fast coming on and the Dumbocrats will be blamed for not fixing it fast or cheap enough.
Nothing changes.
Of course I’d give you Wyden, he is the likeliest Trump voter in your list, or maybe Bill.
I get why you would double list Clinton, but why is Orrin Hatch relevant to even appear once?
That “Special place” for Troll and Psycho?
They’d just mess it up. They’re only happy when everyone else – isn’t.
Michelle Rhee as Secretary of Education, someone who was too effective for the liberals, looking out for kids rather than the teachers unions, would be a good choice.
Re: “Even though I’m an Atheist, we can only pray”
I’m just curious, Marc – Who or what do you pray to?
Nice old joke among the Shintos: “I know you are an atheist, but which god is it you don’t believe in?”
Marc is not really an atheist since no true atheist would ever utter such nonsense.
Good point
Perkel: “Even though I’m an Atheist, we can only pray that things aren’t going to be as bad as they are likely to be”
Convert to agnosticism. Enjoy peace and harmony.
The natural order of atheism is to be in conflict with the world and with science. Instead of atheism granting peace, all it offers is torment.
Could the universe a simulation? If it is a simulation, it has a creator.
Hence, a certain belief there is no creator is already non-scientific by not knowing if the universe is a simulation — an immediate conflict with atheism.
Agnostism is open mind that remains open to all possibilities but unpreoccupied with any particular idea — through this it achieves freedom.
I’m an atheist. Quite happy and content. Can’t say I have ever prayed. Only thought a situation through and worked for a solution. Could that be prayer? It often is an answer.
Most Agnostics are atheists. They just have no need to think it through to the end.
…………….and then there is the Anti-Theist. Clear by name.
You don’t like religion.
I merely don’t like someone trying to force their beliefs on me.
If you look at religion, there are awesome principles:
1) The idea that a king cannot dictate right or wrong
2) The idea that a king is not highest power
3) The idea that a king can be judged on absolute morality that applies to all men.
Perhaps the first seeds of human rights were coded into law in ancient Babylon. I can’t recall what religion they were.
Judaism, Christianity, Islam have the concept that rulers are accountable to a higher power.
In atheism, you just find nihilism. Might as be Orwell’s “1984” style totalitarian unlimited government abuse and thought control.
Look at “safe spaces” — thought control.
WTF happen to the left in the last 10 years? It used to support freedom of speech and expression ACLU style.
Now it leads the charge to shut down speech and freedom of thought.
My guess is “big money” — no need to raise money from the true liberals and blue collar unions and “the people” — just get a morally bankrupt billionares to fund you. Try to override people via force of media pumping out message and group think suppression of having different thoughts.
Just like the morally bankrupt right has become that wanted to pass shit like TPP and loves illegal immigration and other cannibal-capitalism.
Well — fuck all that shit.
Also: WTF happened to Martin Luther King.
He had awesome points of view about a colorless society, tolerance, view a man on his merits not the color of his skin.
Now everything is race, white privilege, everybody is racist, entitlement.
It’s like all the worst things humans could possibly be, think and act is now fucking normal.
And people takes hits off the self-pity pipe and blame others.
In atheism, you just find nihilism. /// thats the religious response to rejection of their beliefs. In fact, atheism is but a blank slate free from the controls of imaginary demons on which to write the next phase of human development.
Might as be Orwell’s “1984” style totalitarian unlimited government abuse and thought control. //// Well….while there is no god as we take the formal religions, it is not atheism which is not so fullsome. Just a very specific, very limited recognition that there is no proof of supernatural phenomenon. The corruption or replacement of standard religions with new ones of Totalitarian control has nothing to do with atheism. Or if it does…so does devoting you life to ….music, raising your kiddies or doing good works. See the inapplicability????
You did limit your notion of religion putting Kings in their place, but more insightfully, don’t they simply put another Heavenly King on top of the secular ones? Not a displacement, but a total acceptance?
Ask Satan.
Just curious, Bobbo – how does an atheist deal with unanswerable questions about reality? Just don’t think about it?
Good question….I guess.
If you start with ZERO….give Religion 50,000 years of influence (starting with animism and spiritualism, through religion and on to meditation… etc) you wind up with still knowing nothing.
Use SCIENCE…. and after 3 to 400 years we have all that we have contemplating questions for which there may be no answers.
I’m very comfortable with: Dont Know, Still working on it, Ambiguity, Accepting limits on knowing our reality, and always: glad I’m not accepting the stupid lies that come from Religion.
A full boat actually. Yourself?–I mean given that religion doesn’t actually have any any answers that any fool can’t just make up. NO ONE would believe Scientology or Mormonism was a true religious belief system…. you have to read about it to “believe it”…. and I don’t.
Yes, atheism is at odds with human nature, which has a religious gene.
Eliminating basic religious tenets, causes liberals to seek out new sins. That is how you end up with the FDA regulating vaping.
You can think that way….but hoomans are too adaptable to be locked into such a very specific notion. I think the notion is just like agnosticism: lazy no think.
Nope. I hoomans are curious, imaginative, see and search for patterns and causation. Civilization came upon the various religions to satisfy these needs…no technology or too much accumulated knowledge required. So…its a first step only and not a specific gene or gene set result: more of a cultural imposition….but the culture moves on. Way more slowly than I would have thought…but the same factors that lead one to be religious are the same factors that that lead one to be scientific. A little variety if you insist.
Just experiencing, listening, thinking and believing. Hoomans: all the same yet different at the same time.
…………………… and then we vote.
If a robot could conceive infinity, could it also conclude that there must be a master programmer that constantly improves our understanding of the universe, yet never lets the last line of code to be written?
Religion allows humans to cope with this. Robots will just overheat.
Do you overheat, or just refuse to think that hard?
How long until hoomans will learn to read?
I rinse, lather, and repeat.
Yeah, Bobbo. Sure. You really like bad-mouthing large groups of people who don’t agree with you, huh. Oh well. Live and learn.
Ha, ha. Yes…I really denigrate large groups of people when describing us all as : “curious, imaginative, see and search for patterns and causation. Its only a sub-group (actually a majority when all the contrary sub groups are added up) that fails to look objectively at the world rather than continue unreflectively believing what they were told as a child.
Ah….you did’nt say denigrate, you said “bad mouthing.” Well….that is your categorization of people who are religious. Yes: “lazy non-think”. Do you disagree with that mildest of characterizations? If so….why are religions self selecting by geography??? Why aren’t the worlds religions broken up person by person scattered as they would be around the world instead of clumped up by geography?
BECAUSE RELIGION IS A HUMAN CONSTRUCT AND THEREFORE DRIVEN BY GEOGRAPHY/CUTURE/GROUP THINK. aka: lazy non-thinking.
It does save energy and conflict. Pros and Cons to all we do……..but you really could spend some more time thinking more deeply than you do.
Live and Learn?==>got an example????
Worried about an apocalypse, here’s a guide for liberals.
http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/11/14/a-handy-guide-for-liberals-who-are-suddenly-interested-in-gun-ownership/
Not gonna happen. Each liberal stronghold (like California, New York, Washington DC) is a “gun free zone” any you don’t have a chance of owning a gun there.
Yup, stupid liberals tied their own hands and strung themselves up.
GREAT article for the rest of us, though.
This article is loaded with errors.
Made in great haste I presume.
Please proofread.
Examples (correction in brackets):
“The truth was push[ed] aside…”
“Nut[But] he has no experience in public office…”
Donald Trump’s “hook” that got him elected is EXACTLY THE SAME that Barack Obama had — WASHINGTON OUTSIDER! But we all now know how fast poor old Obama cozyed up to the insiders with his anti-American Obamacare crap (and Obamacare IS “anti American,” but that’s another argument). Quite frankly, the WORST that Donald Trump will do is EXACTLY THE SAME! — a celebrity-centric do nothing Presidency. Only thing is, Trump won’t need all the money. So why all the doom and gloom now that Trump is elected? Could it be that you’re a PARTY FANATIC and a HYPOCRITE with all your “anti-partisan” rhetoric?! It’s really just the SAME GUY from a different PARTY — who’s NOT BLACK! (You f**ing racist, YOU!)
Besides… THE MAN ISN’T EVEN IN OFFICE YET!!!
STOP MAKING SENSE!!
I NEED MY SAFE SPACE 🙁
You should try a theater trumpy thinks those being safe places.
Safe spaces in a university make the university unable to do its core function. At a theater, they allow all to enjoy, or is it supposed to be like a religious observance, with only the select allowed to participate?
Let’s have some post-election fun!
Where are you with respect to the Five Stages of Grief?
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
Will you ever get to #5 ?
They are between 2 and 3. Democrats haven’t been this angry since they freed the slaves.
#6 Amusement. Personally I find the whole thing of electing a walking cheeto funny as hell. Particularly when he started walking back every single one of his campaign selling points. Then again I retire at the start of the year and my retirement funding is essentially locked in.
Given his opposition to wars in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Ukraine, and many other places, will Trump be given the Nobel Peace Prize?
Thom Hartman show just said that Trumps plan to “invest in infrastructure” is actually a plan to privatize our public highway system………..ie: sell the assets to the AlreadyTooRich and allow the major arteries to all become toll roads.
Hard to believe that is true?……….until you look around and see ATR Corps buying up ALL the local water supplies (OK…example is from South america…but still…its the same corps we have) and making people buy DRINKING WATER.
Would making even fewer people even richer while making many more already poor people even poorer MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN?
Your best thoughts:…………..
(((I’m at stage 6: Making fun of)))
You don’t have a water bill?
Yes…. from the tap. I’m talking bottled water only.
Reminds me the shower leak is almost becoming a flow now. Ugg…I don’t mind repair, I mind having to find the exact right replacement part…made different just so you have to use “their” products.
Industrial Standardization……….would make america great again. core items to be interchangeable unless some design standard requires something unique.
I know: more freedom for consumers is an attack on Monopolisitic Free Market Capitalism.
What ya gonna do?
“(((I’m at stage 6: Making fun of)))”
Just a way of saying your back to Stage 1: Denial.
Or maybe you just think you passed through stages 1-5.
Don’t get dizzy!
Nothing Trump has done so far convinces me he will be/do anything except “be a business man” extracting as much wealth from the Presidency as he can. Probably resulting in impreachment or shunning even from his own party.
TRUMP COULD BE A GREAT PRESIDENT…… somewhat independently from his performance in office “if” he simply transferred all/most of his business enterprises to his kiddies.
He’s old enough to do this. Save a few million to buy his next wifey…but still. then he would demonstrate what he said: that as president he wouldn’t care about his business/wealth that he would be all in.
So….yeah…call the President of Venezuela and spend an hour talking about expediting the approval process for one of his Hotels. Making america great again. Cuba next.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html
Isn’t that sweet! Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are so happy that Trump was elected!
Of course, liberal media will focus on people who have nothing to do with Trump. They’d be better off focusing on his meeting with Al Sharpton, who has caused more deaths than all the American Nazis, but that doesn’t serve their narrative as all the Dems meet with Sharpton too, and he is headlined on one of their networks.
Here’s Trump associating with violence promoting racists.
http://68.media.tumblr.com/fc809718a88aff18c6a5cad9b327cfdc/tumblr_inline_oh06q6i8EE1t63ajm_500.png
As Gomer Pyle would say, surprise, surprise, surprise! Looks like the big orange cheeto won’t be investigating Clinton after all:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/conway-no-clinton-charges-donald-trump/
OH NO! THE VAST LIBERAL CONSPIRACY HAS GOTTEN TO TRUMP!!! SHE’S OBVIOUSLY GUILTY (of something, anything) SO WHY WON’T HE PROSECUTE???
Hillary Clinton escapes prosecution again! That woman is a master criminal!!!
🙄 🙄 🙄
Feeling that buyer’s remorse yet, wingnuts? You will. You will.
Ha, ha…..Trump does everything to extreme. While we don’t need it, Clinton, Obamacare, The Wall, Jobs===all will be shown to be pure TeaParty Trump Base Rightwingnut Pud Pulling……….. and its been OBVIOUS right from the start.
To the Trump supporters that thought ANY OF THIS WAS LIKELY to happen….. you should turn in your voter registration cards. I really don’t trust you to be able to burn them yourself.
Yep………its shaping up to be another round of Reagonomics. Probably finish the country off.
All Hail our continuing OverLords: The AlreadyTooRich who live in Gold Leafed multi-floor condos reaping their tax advantaged loopholes looking down on the rest of us knowing that any pud pulling LIE will get them into office.
Good Job Republicans. (((Actually, as Trump got fewer votes than $Romney or McFlame….it really is the Dumbo Base that needs to recognize by not voting…or worse going third party, that THEY elected Trump…and now will reap the sorrow. Politics. How to ever change when reality is about identifying true causes and cures, while politics is about benefitting yourself and blaming anyone else for failing to do the peoples bidnezz?
Its a trip.
The losers are still whining. Maybe if you would get a job bobbo, you would have something to take your mind off of your pure hate.
There is no whining in the above.
Get off the brain dead talking points and buy a dictionary.
Late Edit: it just occurred to me that it is especially ironic that Mickey charges moi with whining when its actually HIM that is whining… as well he should, TOTALLY JUSTIFIED.
As previously stated above in the thread: I am already past any five stages of grief and am on the advanced: “Making Fun Of” stage. Still a mischaracterization though as I am not partisan and have “never” been invested in any political candidate. Favored and Disfavored, but I’ve never been invested. Nothing to grieve about either way, nothing to whine about either way.
You gotta be a “true believer” to grieve or to whine….. or….. to claim others are doing so when they so clearly are not.
Limited vocabulary……..and since we think with words…….who else but a Trump Supporter?
BWHAHAHAHAHA. ….. Nothing changes.
No sorry, I know whining when I see it.
Please stop.
whining: Talk in a tearful manner.
What words remind you of tearful talking? Can those words be heard over the loud laughter?
The word you need to recognize is: Mocking or Deriding. Whining really is the opposite of what is posted.
Have I said it yet?………………….. looking ………………….. Oh, yes I did. Well, given the challenge: once you buy a dictionary, you have to actually open and read it.
Lots of negative words apply to what I have written. Nattering, presumptive, unrelenting, and so forth.
Sorry….. whiney just isn’t present.
Why do I care????===because I love words, they are what we think with, with a heavy feedback mechanism. For TRUE: read the dictionary. Expand your vocabulary. You’ll think better.
Youre lips keep moving but all I hear is whining.
Well Nick….thanks for all the additional analysis. Do you think your statement says more about what you hear, or what I said?
Gee…….if Pukes were ever open to actually learning (something new/anything) then dictionary sales would really soar.
But ….. they aren’t.
I’m laughing: because you dolts elected someone based on their promises and even before getting to office, he’s now saying he’s going to do what any reasonable person that he would do: adapt to the realities and limittions of those who work and want to succeed in groups …. of people.
Its a talking point though isn’t it?==Its why I actually do enjoy, but have started to tire of Kellyann==how to talk with precision to have the effect you want with minimal direct blow back. Its how Hillary talks too. Parsing and triangulating and “sounding like a lawyer” and you sheep wanted STRAIGHT TALK…. which is what Trump delivers in spade.
Ha, ha……only glitch is: he’s LYING. Just like all politicians do. LYING TO GET YOUR VOTE…… then do what he wants to do all along. For Trump: make money. Its how he scores life.
Just look.
Bobbo, pure hate is what they have. So they think everyone is like them.
Looks like the bargaining stage.
So NFS, tell me why Trump isn’t prosecuting Hillary the Crook? Try to avoid bargaining. 😉
He’s not the President.
Oooh, you bargained. 🙁
OK, Trump has said he wouldn’t instruct his people to prosecute Hillary after he is sworn in. Tell me why this is OK with you. Again, try to do it without rationalization and bargaining.
If true, and that’s a big if with Clinton toady Maggie Haberman as the main source(see wikileaks), then it just means he is ruling out a special prosecutor. Not even that, just that he is not focused on it. It is the Justice Department that decides on prosecutions, not the President. Trump has the most beautiful words, and is great at getting people to think he is agreeing with both sides. Clintonesque if you will.
NOF***kingSense says:
1. ” Trump has the most beautiful words,” ///// ha, ha. “Fuck” “Pussy” “they’re bad people, Hombre” “flat chested” “my hands are ok” Yes, a regular thesaurus of Shakespearean prose.
2. and is great at getting people to think he is agreeing with both sides. //// Whats your best example of such clever language?
3. Clintonesque if you will. /// I wonder if you can recognize you just equated Trump with Clinton?
Can’t get more (use your own word) than that.
Of course I noticed it, why else would I use that word.
Best example, will have to think about it.
For now, there is the wall, where he secretly tells the NYT something else, a private position and public position perhaps, or maybe he just said it a bit different for them to hear what they wanted to hear.
How about,’Trump never apologizes’
Megyn:’You called me a bimbo!’
Trump:’Excuse me’
Lots of reasons for Trump to not prosecute:
1) He is too busy with other things.
2) Leaves it to Justice Department
3) Previous Justice Department handed out so many immunity agreements it would be too hard to bring a case
4) Obama has pardoned her
Reason to say you won’t prosecute:
A) Presenting a better tone
B) Preventing 4)
Liberals were complaining that Trump is being fascist threatening to lock up his opponent. Why are you now attacking him for not doing so(maybe)? I don’t recall any Republicans or conservatives attacking Obama for keeping Guantanamo open.
You think ANY of that tracks what is clearly said otherwise??
Wow.
I need a break.
No, WE NEED A BREAK from crybaby Libs.
Please give us a break.
I expect Trump to drop many promises. Only now, liberals are yelling and screaming and attacking Trump and saying they will fight him. Trump is all about winning, so it looks like liberals are going to push him to a more conservative direction.
“Many” promises? OHHHHHH====you really should stop whining.
……I see the new meme: Trump was forced into his stupid positions by the liberals.
Its stops just short of admitting Trump has no brain of his own. Like a good conservative.
You’re reading comprehension has failed you again.
Yea….it depends on which way you twist it.
So……..NOT prosecuting Hillary, NOT building the Wall, NOT removing illegal immigrants, NOT imposing trade tariff, FAILING to increase jobs……….are the “more conservative” positions Trump will take because the out of power party yelled at him?????
Maybe we should pool our resources here at DU and buy Trump a dictionary????
No, it looks like you need to buy one. Not even close to what I said.
Whine, whine, whine, NFS. Poor little Trumpy! 🙄 🙄 🙄
Quite right. The only whines I see at this end of the thread.
“Complaining and blaming.”
Silly Hoomans.
Somebody give Pheydope his binky and put him down for the night.
Been watching The Circus, and I have forgotten every time and am reminded all over again how horrible Hillary is to hear.
LOL
Clay County KY voted for Trump 86-11:
http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/kentucky/
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/19/502580120/in-depressed-rural-kentucky-worries-mount-over-medicaid-cutbacks
I’m trying to be charitable here, and call these people “ignorant” rather than “stupid”. But how can you vote so clearly against your own interests here?
Wingnuts, help me out here. Explain to me the joy of voting for a billionaire who’s going to fuck over the average people. Maybe that’s the same joy these idjits are feeling as they vote to end their healthcare.
“I’m going to put miners out of work.”
Thanks for playing, NFS. Anyone else?
Wahhh! Wahhhh! Wahhhh! I need my mommy figure.
Miners DO need to be put out of work….. as 3 times the number of people trained to work with Green Energy.
Fishermen also need to be put out of work. Too many fish stocks nearing extinction level and would be already without controls put on them.
Its just a crying shame that living in the REAL WORLD requires change and adaptation. You KNOW what happens when you don’t adapt to reality?
………………………….. thats right.
You get elected to High Office in Red States.
Its the well established Red/Blue State divide. Red states dependent on economic/tax transfers from the Blue States.
Idiotically…… they complain and vote for people promising to stop the $1.00 of tax revenue they send to Washington while ignoring the $1.20 they get back.
If it didn’t affect the rest of us……….I’d laugh at their self imposed misery.
Good point bobbo… sometimes I wish we’d let the idjits in the red states secede. The rest of the country would be a lot better off, and they’d have their own little cesspool of a country. 🙄
Good thing… we can fly over their country.
(((Actually, I love rural …anywhere including America. Its only a slight majority of VOTING people that leads to their red/blue designation. The truth…. all more nuanced. Lots of good people in the rural areas… just too many retards in power.)))
Then you can grow your own food and fight your own wars. Wahhhh!
They’d have to put up a wall to keep out all the people wanting to flee the higher costs and joblessness of the liberals. W’s 271-267 win would now be 286-252 with the new population numbers. New York was bigger than Texas, now it’s smaller than Florida.
So…. the red state/blue state tax dollar flow flies right over your head?
Do you understand what it means… at all?
If so…..why don’t you change your “point of view” … such as it is.
You know: FACTS not BS.
Try it.
Higher per capita taxes, because they are deporting poor people.
Massachusetts was more blatant 20 years ago when they would take homeless people and give them one way bus tickets to Texas.
With all this anti-Semitism and neo-Naziism running rampant throughout the Trump Administration-in-waiting, why hasn’t Jewish son-in-law Jared Kushner noticed?
He was powerful enough to get Chris Christie thrown out twice.
Good question, NFS. Maybe power is more important than religion to Kushner? And Trump probably isn’t that anti-Semitic, he just knows how to manipulate those who are.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/22/trump_foundation_admits_breaking_law_in_irs_document.html
Well looky here… remember wingnuts getting their panties all in a twist about the Clinton foundation? Here’s the Trump foundation admitting that they broke the law. And they even took money from the same Ukrainian that they criticized Clinton about:
But no, I’m not expecting wingnuts to have any integrity. I expect more gloating. Go for it, guys. 🙄
Love it. It’s good to have a media that serves as a government watchdog rather than government lackey.
Seth Meyers was celebrated for attacking Trump at the White House Correspondents Dinner, when he revealed himself to be a court jester, and not the Shakespearean kind. I don’t want the media to go out and attack Trump’s opponents on his behalf.
The media reported all kinds of nasty truths about Trump before the election, NFS. You wingnuts just ignored it. 🙄 🙄 🙄
And now that the election’s over, everyone’s admitting it. Russia admitted they had contact with Trump’s campaign, the NSA admitted that “foreign countries” strategically hacked the Democrats to affect the election. And there will be more.
And you wingnuts will be fine with it. No morals, ethics, or integrity. You got your guy in, by hook or crook. Heh, crook especially. But you’ll feel that buyer’s remorse eventually. 😉
If Russia were behind Wikileaks, they would have leaked Hillary’s e-mails that they stole, proving that she gave up classified info to foreign countries.
Instead we got a slow dribble of minor details, from a straightforward phishing attack on John Podesta, whose password was literally password, and the Clinton IT geniuses said the e-mail was legit!
If the KKK existed only in Europe, would you favor mass immigration to the US to escape persecution?
1) Yes, if not criminal
2) No, bad for USA
Sign of the apocalypse:
AeroMexico has Trump on their planes.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx1gFqVUoAAbUb7.jpg
Just watching the news regarding how “unpredictable” Trump is, it does strike me one thing he “could” do to make America Great In An Unusual Way…would be to normalize our relationship with Russia. And by normalize I don’t me get into the same bed of graft and corruption regarding Trumps businesses which right now he seems bound and determined to do ((what bankruptcy trained con artist would not?)) but rather find partnership militarily in some of the hot spots around the world.
I think Trump is capable of doing that being Pro Military (ie==wasteful spending) but anti-war (until he figures out you have to blow things up in order to replace them) but it is Putin I doubt. He is set on Making Russia Great Again. I dont know if the two programs will co-exist all that easily….but what can be done should be without the animosity of the past interfering.
We should always search for new animosities.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-16/when-trump-went-to-21-club-for-a-burger-i-sat-at-the-next-table
LOL how did I miss this? Trump went to “the 21 Club” in Manhattan, where they sell burgers for $36, and promised the other diners he would lower their taxes.
I’m sure there were a lot of blue-collar Trump supporters from the midwest there that he was talking to, having their $36 hamburger. Surely he wasn’t talking to other rich assholes like him. Right? Right? 🙄 🙄
Feeling that buyer’s remorse yet, wingnuts? You will. You will.
WTF Are you babbling about?
His same old, same old.
You’re going to be the one crying when you finally realized you’ve been conned by a whiny billionaire. And I’ll be there rubbing your nose in it until you run away. 😀
If you’re going to attack if(when) Trump behaves like a liberal, then isn’t it in his best interest to do as conservatives want?
Read the article. That’s what I’m talking about.
You’re bitching that a billionaire eats at an expensive restaurant in Manhattan that serves a $36 dollar hamburger? Are you fucking kidding me with this bullshit?
I live in an area, and occasionally treat my wife and myself to an expensive restaurant with overpriced $24 hamburgers. So Fucking What? Does that make me or my wife EVIL?
What the hell is wrong with you?
No Bob, he’s a rich guy, he has gold thrones in his house, obviously he can afford a fancy burger at an expensive restaurant in NYC. What bothers me is him assuring the other rich people in the restaurant that he’s going to lower their taxes. Just like every other Republican politician who lowers rich people’s taxes.
My point is that he campaigned as a “man of the people”, promised to “drain the swamp”, and here he is just like every other Republican politician cutting taxes for rich people (which get made up for by you and me). Got it?
Exactly Correct.
We don’t know if even Trump has an idea of what he wants to do, if he can do it. so..the best guess will be to assume he continues doing what he’s done his whole life: con people into a deal and then take advantage by going bankrupt.
The handwriting IS pretty much on the wall…as so far I see no indication AT ALL of The Trumpster turning over a new leaf….just the opposite, he keeps digging up old ones.
Or google “21 Club Trump”. Geez, do I have to write it in crayon? Trump goes to incredibly ritzy expensive restaurant, where burgers cost $36, gladhands a few people, and tells them that he’s going to reduce their taxes.
Here’s the complicated part, at least for wingnuts. The people dining at restaurants where burgers cost $36 are not middle-class or working-class people. They’re rich people, like Trump. So Trump is promising rich people that he will cut their taxes (as all Republicans do). So this will mean either more taxes on the non-rich, or big budget deficits. Got it? Your guy who promised to “drain the swamp” is just another screw-the-poor rich asshole.
You want to see a REAL example of excess? One year into his Presidency:
http://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1168940/Obamas-fly-chef-860-miles-White-House–just-make-pizza.html
When you’re the president of the United States, only the best pizza will do – even if that means flying a chef 860 miles.
Chris Sommers, 33, jetted into Washington from St Louis, Missouri, on Thursday with a suitcase of dough, cheese and pans to to prepare food for the Obamas and their staff.
He had apparently been handpicked after the President had tasted his pizzas on the campaign trail last autumn.
And that’s tax dollars, not personal money…..For a god-damned PIZZA. Now shut the fuck up already.
Really, WAM? You want to go there? OK. Here we go.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/21/news/protecting-donald-trump/
Ack, last sentence was not part of the blockquote. Dang HTML…
AKA, Feds pick up the tab, so city will goose the numbers. They don’t have to shut down the streets, they just choose to do it.
Here’s Prince Charles in Louisville.
http://steynonline.com/pics/1220.jpg
No stopping of traffic, and total of four cars. Those other cars are because he was near city hall.
He campaigned on lowering taxes. Glad to know he’s following thru. At least you are criticising for something you oppose.
“Damn, libs, people came to a different conclusion than you did, that doesn’t make them sexist, racist, homophobic, or evil. If you hadn’t let the DNC sabotage Bernie Sanders you’d probably be celebrating your victory today. You ran a hideous candidate. Get over yourself and quit blocking traffic.
Protesting doesn’t give you the right to burn other people’s property, no matter how butt hurt you are. And just because you saw a picture of racist graffiti: A. For all you know it was put there by Shaun King’s lying ass to get his old job back. Or B. It was put there by an actual racist doofus, and you’re giving a dimwitted shitbag with a $3 can of spray paint power over your emotions.
Random scumbags on the right always represent everybody you disagree with, but when an asshole from Black Lives Matters murders five cops or a Muslim blows somebody up they are anomalies and we shouldn’t paint with a broad brush—No shit, thanks Hypocrite-Einstein!
People who know dick about the military sound like idiots when explaining to people who actually know how security clearances work how Hillary did no wrong, because we know we’d be in jail for far less.
When he was leaking things that made Bush look bad you loved Julian Assange so hard that Benedict Cumberbatch played him in the movie. And no, people don’t want your kid/grandma to die, but Obamacare is taking another $300-$900 extra out of everybody’s pocket for crappier insurance and they’re broke and pissed.
Madonna offering free blowjobs isn’t the incentive you’d think it is. Jerkoff celebrities saying they’d move if Trump won made me want to vote for him just to spite them and I can’t stand the man! Trump sucks, but everybody on your side is such a douche that it didn’t matter.
This wasn’t some righteous battle between good and evil, it was choosing between brain or colon cancer. Hillary was a reptile piloting a lifelike human suit, with zero charisma, and entitlement issues, who got the candidate she wanted to run against the most and she STILL LOST. Get over it.”
http://tinyurl.com/jh7b3x2
LOL
Get over it… just like Republicans got over it when Obama was elected.
BWAHAHAHAHA
Fuck you, Tim. At least we’re protesting because of Trump’s actions, rather than because of the color of his skin.
OK, the Republicans in Congress swore to obstruct Obama in every way possible from day one, just because he was a Democrat, not because he was black. I’ll give you that.
Too late Phydeau, your initial ‘couldn’t help yourself’ typical knee jerk response about anything you don’t agree with is racist, is how you really are.
This sums up just about every time you’ve used the term “racist” in this blog:
http://16r.co/1/racist.jpg
And more people voted for Clinton than Trump. He lucked out in the electoral college. So go pound sand, Tim. You don’t get to tell anyone to get over it.
Timmmmmmmaaaayyy!!!!
Cracks me up: EVERYTHING you say is disjointed coming out wrong. I’ve said “purity” has its own beauty…but I should have excepted pure gullibility.
I could go each sentence as is my habit, but tempus fugit, I’ll take just the first one:
““Damn, libs, people came to a different conclusion than you did, that doesn’t make them sexist, racist, homophobic, or evil.” //// Thats correct Timmmmmmmmaaaaay but what you fail or purposefully neglect to appreciate is that it is the libs that think sexist, racist, homophobic, or evil people are deplorable to coin a phrase whereas dipshits like yourself think that is ….. what??….unfair/judgmental/elistist?? Imagine thinking that someone who is evil is not a good thing? I know, it boogles the mind. YOUR ERROR: thinking/stating that libs who make that judgement on such people then apply the same label to every other Trump supporter. We don’t. We can THINK in shades of Black and Dark Gray.
Ha, ha. You won’t get my point, but others will.
Dang, bobbo… looks like the wingnuts have all fled. I thought they’d be gloating for longer… maybe there’s hope for them yet! 😉
I am going to leave this here, I would like everyone to read it.
COMMENT POSTING GUIDELINES:
What doesn’t get approved:
Slander
ALL CAPS and excessive boldface posts
Profanity
Personal attacks on the Editors
SPAM or excessive self promotion
Off-topic rants
Repetitive carping from politcos with an agenda
Ridiculously long posts or machine generated posts
Time-related criticism such as “This is old news and was on Uncle Ben’s blog two weeks ago.” This has no positive value to the readers and is insulting. Everything on a blog has usually appeared someplace else at some time.
Repeat offenders will be simply blacklisted
http://dvorak.org/blog/misc/commentguidelines.html
What about if it has appeared at this blog before?
I say go for it. For example when you can use bobbo’s words that he posted in the past (on this blog) to show how he is being hypocritical again, or your or bobbo’s prior words to show how you both are a D/R hiring sheeple, this should be fair game.
I meant like when Perkel posted about Star Trek webisodes, and this blog had covered it years ago.
bobbo being hypocritical is NOT on the list.
…….and I swear: my posts are NOT machine generated.
Anyhoo: as much as I LOVE words, they gain meaning by how they are enforced.
Personally…….I don’t see anyone here that “I” would ban. I would caution a few to stop being so repetitive or making nothing but personal attacks. Just note: I repeat for emphasis but usually with a twist, and the personal attacks are likewise used only for emphasis …. if simply name play or name calling is even a personal attack? Emphasis there being on “personal.” How can it be personal…….if we are all stoopid????
I recommend you PUBLICLY note the dissapproved of language. Leave it there in most cases….but flag it for not meeting standards.
Educate the masses….I mean you aren’t Big Brother are you….. although I notice my left leg does look a bit insectivorous.
I agree that it is puerile at best when people call you names for no reason other than that you wear your liberal badge proudly¹, but showing you how stupid your politics are with reason and examples and thus naturally by extension, how stupid/obtuse you are, is not name calling.
¹ still, the bobbo/pedro show gets old fast
There is NO bobbo/Pedro show. Only Pedro.
I rise above it. I think Phydeaux gets pulled down into the muck all too often….but… to each his own. That includes Pedro and Phydeaux and all of us.
One persons mindless rubber/glue game is anothers high wit.
Seems to me, if you call someone an idiot, BUT YOU GIVE REASONS WHY….. that is nothing but admirable.
Bobbo has risks of long posts, slander, off-topic rants, carping from politicos with an agenda, and a handle that is excessive self promotion.
He’s actually improved. For awhile, I had a nobobbo filter that removed his posts.
Nothing has changed in my posting style over the years.
The progress you note is all to your own credit. Did you buy a dictionary?…. or install the free web app http://wordweb.info/
The hot key is quite convenient…. works on DU.
“Nothing has changed in my posting style over the years.”
Yeah, that’s a problem. No dictionary necessary. You have been on thin ice for a long time, and you know it.
Another disastrous effect of Global Warming.
McCullough: Yes…you have told me to stop the vitriol or was it the excessive vitriol and I again affirm: I don’t know what you mean.
Its TOO EASY to simply ban me. Why not do a little work and show me AND EVERYONE ELSE HERE…the exact words (or the ideas the words are expressing) that upset you so. THEN and only then, I and everyone else can modify our posting style to conform to your druthers.
I don’t even think I do use vitriol. YOU just miss the humor in much of what I post. Like poetry…it may be too private/self-referential/…or just imagined???? But its there. Not your cup of tea?…….Your house…your rules.
My vitriol as it is at least has a point. Too much posted here has no point at all, vitriol/personal attacks or not. I find that much more offensive than simple name calling or profanity. But that is my sense of humor as well.
whatever rules you actually make clear….I will follow.
EG: Editor: “Not your cup of tea.” Flagged as a violation of forum guidelines as it constitutes a personal attack. Please avoid such ab hominems in the future or you will be temporarily banned as deemed appropriate.
I do have a whole list of beverages though….. or containers? Or maybe objects of the possessive case? An editor could gain extra points by showing the proper etiquette to be used. EG: (Continuing.) In the future, please refrain from making your comments personal. Only by way of example….you could drop the sentence entirely, or phrase it “Not anyone’s container of beverage.”
I look forward to a cleaned up forum.
Thats right Pedro.
Take a very hearty example where Phydeaux told someone: “F**k You.”
I actually was taken aback a bit as Phydeaux normally does not go blue…but at the very same time, the profanity emphasized how important the issue was to him. Pros and Cons to all we do.
Now…for all I know…Phydeaux’s comment was criticized by the editors “but” we will never know has no comment by editors was ever made. Posting the guidelines does not explain anything when “F**k You’s” sprinkle the forum.
F**k You….quite demonstrative. I personally would flag it. But…I would not flage “its a fucking disgrace” because the first is a verb and personal while the second is an adjective and descriptive.
See the difference????
Having to make judgments. Never fun.
When Trump’s actions violate your worldview, you have to either admit that you are clueless about the world, or hallucinate more.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153559105081/a-lesson-in-cognitive-dissonance
A good short read, but I disagree. Mainly….. how is anyone supposed to tell when Trump has stopped lying?
Presumably based on actions. Note that much of what Adams suggests are really lies from the media, and it is not clear that Trump has backtracked. Look at the transcript of the NYT interview, and compare to the articles and see if you think they were being honest.
I don’t need to look…what Trump does almost always is emphasize a given position but add a disclaimer to the opposite at the same time:
“Mexico is sending us their rapists and murderers, …….. there are some good ones too.”
People take what they will.
How much more precise can anyone be without being called out by the opposition?
Pedro…see in this thread where I say our immigration laws should be followed.
You never post accurately.
YOU….should apply to the Trump organization for a whip position. You know: totally ineffective outside those who already agree with you.
Ironically, Few truths can be expressed in a sentence demonstrates that many lies can be such as his own when he says:
11/24/2016 at 4:40 pm
How much more precise can anyone be without being called out by the opposition? //// Factually speaking, this statement is more lie than truth. Truth is: illegals other than being illegal commit fewer crimes than citizens. The reason is simple: they came here to earn a living and don’t want to draw attention to themselves.
What Trump should have said to be truthful but not stir up his dull witted racists voting base is: Mexicans are good people and we need them to perform many entry and agricultural jobs here in the USA…. but…all immigration must conform to law so I am hereby instructing ICE to start arresting or giving citations to employers who do not confirm the working status of the people they employ.
OK…..a bit long, but still one sentence.
Don’t be a stooge.
[bobbo said]
“… Mexicans are good people and we need them to perform many entry and agricultural jobs here in the USA…. but…all immigration must conform to law so I am hereby instructing ICE to start arresting or giving citations to employers who do not confirm the working status of the people they employ.”
Every once in a while you say something which is dead on correct. Too bad everyone has to wade through so much chaff to get to the occasional kernel of wheat.
If he did that he doesn’t get elected, unless he ran as a Democrat.
Sheesh. I come back in two days and there’s 208 comments in this particular blog segment. Some of them very good. Others, not so much.