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Sorry JCD.
Your girl is going to lose.
We promise not to ridicule you too hard. You get the “FDR was Great!” Senior Discount.
I voted on Halloween. No really.
We have vote-by-mail here in Oregon. I dropped my ballot in the box a week ago. It would be close to impossible to change it now even if I wanted to, which I don’t.
That’s if the postal worker didn’t look you up and throw away your ballot.
The box owned by County Elections, not one owned by USPS
I also live in Oregon. I got so sick of hearing for decades how we have no influence on the elections here, it’s a foregone conclusion the vote will be Democrat, Hillary never even visited here, the constant scolding and shaming from the media, celebrities and top politicians about how we MUST vote, I turned my ballot in blank.
Well, that’s a good point. It’s true that the major population centers here in Oregon are overwhelmingly Democrat. The rest of us just don’t seem to stand a chance. However, as we all know now, that doesn’t necessarily mean who will eventually win. Yaaayyy!
So not true. In 2000, W took advantage of the mail-in balloting, and sent operatives to liberal parties where people handed in their ballots. Bush nearly won the state that year, which would have mattered if he lost New Hampshire.
I voted at least three times.
Just kidding. I didn’t vote.
Don’t worry, I voted for you.
Thanks
I didn’t know McCullouh was running!
If you agree with the premise that Republicans and Democrats are destroying the country then it makes no sense to cast a D/R vote, since that makes you part of the root cause.
On the other hand, if you don’t agree that Democrats and Republicans are destroying the country you must live in a cave or be mentally challenged.
Go ahead and vote, but you’re wasting your time. Hillary is a Globalist and the Globalist don’t give a flying fuck about who you want for President. She will win.
Try to understand who she represents, the Bankers, the Military Industrial Complex, The Saudis, the status quo.
It’s not a (conspiracy) theory anymore. Wikileaks has done an outstanding job of exposing it. Most will not listen, they’re easily manipulated.
Julian Assange: Global Elites, Banks, Arms Companies and Media Will Not Allow Trump to Win.
http://thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/julian-assange-global-elites-banks-arms-companies-media-will-not-allow-trump-win-video/
Wiki-leaks is now lauded by the alt-right. Never thought I’d see the day when rt wingers are putting stock in hackers.
Wikileaks and Assange represent real journalism for a change. Like “deep throat” back in the Watergate era, he is exposing the corruption.
You will get your globalist President, so whats exactly is your bitch?
Deep Throat was just upset he got passed over for head of the FBI.
It’s early in the evening but I’m little surprised so far.
It looks like Trump has won Ohio and Florida.
And Hillary so far looks like she is massively underperforming in Michigan.
Early in the evening.
The Michigan numbers actually look like Trump might actually win.
If Trump wins Michigan, this election is over.
It’s still early in the evening, but CNN’s presidential prediction market has Trump at 60% to win the presidency.
It was at 9% an hour ago.
They have access to exit polls.
To the Hollywood elites: your bus to Canada is now boarding; bon voy-f***ing-age.
I voted. And I’m angry!
What I want to know is why all these mail in ballots aren’t being challenged by the ACLU or someone — it’s a POLL TAX imposed by the USPS!
Think about it. You now have to PAY the U.S. Postal System nearly a whole dollar (for 2 stamps) in postage to mail in your ballot. And last time I looked, the USPS was a part of the government! Therefore, if I want to vote, I have to PAY the government money — just like a tax!
Of course, the option to drive somewhere and drop off my ballot is available. But isn’t THAT why LOCAL polling stations were mandated before all this bullshit mail in nonsense took over — to be more convenient and be within certain distances where a person could walk to vote?
Now I have to drive my car which ALSO costs money in gas, insurance, and wear & tear. No matter how you look at it, voting these days got a lot more expensive — and I say, ILLEGAL!
I dropped mine off at the local library a week ago, when I was in the place to return some things. Rode my bicycle because it was a nice afternoon.
Tell me again: what portion of that activity was the poll tax part?.
You had to go to the library. Really it should just be you fill out whatever the activist who comes to your door gives you. Even that is too much trouble. We should just let him cast your vote for you.
….Ha, ha……………..and now: the Deluge.
It will be fun to watch the dysfunction as Trump collides with the reality he now “leads.”
I’m struck dumb by two….no three…notions:
1. The American Voting Public is dumb as {!#%@}…always has been. Always running neck and neck with the greed and avarice of our elected politicians.
2. Polling is now missing significant groups of people. Needs an entire relook.
3. Maybe….I’m wrong. People voted Trump indeed to “blow up the system.” The status quo by electing Clinton for more of the same made the obvious negatives of Trump ignorable for our Brexit Vote.
Assuming what Trump has said 200 times is near his real opinion, he believes climate change is a hoax, so we will have 4 more very critical years of denial and inaction. I call it now: the death of complex human civilization…..the exact hows and when to be arguable and variable.
Ha, ha: what will be the first thing Trump does in office? Jail Hillary? Start Building the Wall?? What will it be? As always: I feel sorry for the kiddies.
I voted to blow up the system.
I’m not really for Trump, I don’t know what he is going to do.
But fuck Hillary and her blatant corruption.
She never should have been the Democratic nominee. It should have been Biden or Sanders.
Hillary was the one person that under all circumstances I would go out and vote for her opponent.
Yep. Trump is an unknown/fantasy. It’s all about killing the corrupt Clinton dynasty.
So…we have 3 thinking it was anti-Clinton.
I don’t have the skills to pick through my brain and understand why her corruption was favorable to Trumps general unfitness and unknowns.
Hmmmm….what I’ve posted here it was because of Trumps Tax Policies. Ha, ha…. looks like I DO HAVE MY REASONS.
…………….and I do think at least for having “reasons”…its much smarter than all those voting to blow up the system. Such votes only feel good until the rubble falls from the sky.
Nobody in Washington is just going to let Trump do whatever he wants. They’ll keep an eye on him. He will be forced to work within limits.
Where as Hillary and her people will break any law she finds inconvenient, scheme to do so, use an army of lawyers to stall, issue illegal executive orders, etc.
To me that is the difference.
What limits?
Cmon bobbo, after he ran roughshod over the Republican establishment, you know they will be in no mood to circle the wagons and defend him like Dems do with the Clintons over and over again. Trump will be impeached so fast if he gives them a chance.
At least now, liberals are liberated from having to protect the Clintons, which is good because she treats her Secret Service protectors so horribly they cheered when she broke her elbow.
It was basically over as soon as Trump said ‘Crooked Hillary.’
The Access Hollywood tape made it close. He probably loses if they could have stuck to the original plan of releasing the tape AFTER he issues denials about all the women. Jeb Bush helped him again by leaking it.
Well Mike—I make no claim at being politically astute….I can’t hold my breath that long.
NONE of us have any idea as to what even general direction Trump will go. He could retreat to just issuing tax credits to help his business and let Pence run the whole show.
Or he could open up Russia as Nixon did China.
A complete unknown…. I see him doing a few initiatives that might sound good in a reactive way….and then spending all his time trying to fix the reactions. Trapped by his lack of philosophy, planning, and so forth.
As stated: it will be fun to see. Radical Change: radical fun.
So many ways for it to go. Will the Dumbo’s grow a pair and stop all his/Ryan’s legislative moves just as the Pukes showed them how???
Grab your socks.
I’m wondering if Dems will block his tariff ideas that they support and Republicans are against, just to deny Trump a victory.
It doesn’t matter what Democrats do. They’ve already established the rule under Obama that the President can act by executive order, and pick and choose which laws he will enforce.
So Trump could just announce ObamaCare rules will not be enforced. Or he could announce a tax cut, that he will not prosecute people who pay just x amount of tax, and declare it is just prosecutorial discretion.
Not that it matters, but its rare for you to EVER be right on a “fact”>
Obama signed the fewest Exec Orders for some time…except for Bush Sr who signed a dozen fewer. Everyone else: higher.
What do you “do” with Facts Lyin’ Mike?
http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/number-of-executive-orders-per-president/
Number of executive orders is totally irrelevant. Nobody said they were illegal. Only certain types of executive orders would be, those that exceed the authority of the office.
Besides that Trump could do far more executive orders. That wasn’t my point.
I gave specific examples that compare to what Obama has done. Democrats have no basis for complaining.
Obama is probably laughing his ass off, at Hillary’s expense.
Obama’s thinking “WTF is it with that woman? How can she fuck up everything she touches?”
I heard her on the radio, trying to get voters to go to the polls in Michigan today. She called in to Bushman, where he was declaring that she is ‘down to earth’, and she couldn’t even say his name right.
First order of business will be to place a large TRUMP sign either inside or outside of the White house.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152734465316/unhypnotizing-a-clinton-supporter
So Marc, how does it feel knowing that Bernie was hand-picked by Hillary to serve as weak opposition in the primary?
Breaking News: TRUMP Wins. Hillary melted. Hail Dorothy.
what a world… what a world.
I didn’t for for Trump as much as I voted against the lying piece of shit Clinton. Fuck her and the Humma she rode in on.
Oh she is so classy she couldn’t even be bothered to go out and thank her supporters, probably taking a nap or crying with her face buried between Huma’s thighs. Poor baby.
Now to complete the investigations and put her in prison.
I told my SO months ago he was going to win and sometimes I was worried she might pull it off but I was asked Sunday if I still felt the same and said yes. It was closer than I would have liked but you can’t have everything.
Now if we could flush a few progressive SCOTUS justices and get some strict constitutional ones in there all would be better with the world.
She can’t go out to thank them, because they never wrote a concession speech.
Either that or none of her dozens of speechwriters wanted to stand up and admit they wrote one.
It’s going to take years to get her voice out of my head.
The horror
The horror
Now the Clintons can go away forever. Prison would be fine with me.
And don’t you even think about it Chelsea.
She’s off to a good start if her wedding was paid for with foundation money.
Give her the cell next to her mother.
A fool and their vote are soon lost.
Congrats, guys. Your guy won. Your “outsider” won, and now the Republican establishment is going to completely take over the government, all three branches. Let’s see what that will mean:
1. Trump-supporting retirees (and others) will have a tougher time when the R’s cut Social Security and Medicare.
2. Trump supporters (and others) will lose their medical insurance when the R’s cancel Obamacare.
3. Trump supporters (and others) will pay higher taxes as the R’s cut taxes for the rich and big corporations.
4. Trump supporters (and others) will have even less say in our government as the new conservative Supreme Court will be super-OK with unlimited money in politics.
5. Trump supporters (and others) will endure dirtier air, land and water as the R’s gut the EPA.
6. Trump supporters (and others) will endure a higher risk of a new recession as the R’s gut all the laws restraining the big Wall Street players.
Clinton wouldn’t have done any of this stuff, but Trump and the Republicans will.
You think you sent a message to Washington, voting for Trump? You sure did. The message was “Give entire control of the country to the Fat Cats in the Republican Party.”
Thanks guys.
And one more thing… I don’t want to ever hear anyone call the Republican Party the “Family Values” party any more… now you’re the “My daughter is so hot I’d date her if she wasn’t my daughter” party. 🙄
Trump is a Republican how?
Gay marriage? Abortion? Because he’s a devout believer? Because he wants to balance the budget? Because he’s for free trade deals? Because he wants to ban condoms? Because he’s in the pocket of Wall Street? Because he support the Iraq War?
He’s a moderate Democrat.
All Republicans babble about balancing the budget, but their budgets have always been more out of balance than the D’s. Look it up.
“Devout” believer? lol.
In the pocket of Wall Street, you’re getting warmer.
You think he’s going to veto anything the Republican-controlled Congress sends him?
Don’t know. Uncharted territory now.
Candidate with anti-megacorp agenda won.
Can he keep even some of his promises? I have no clue.
I’m not a Republican. I am relieved that winner isn’t actually a Republican except in name only.
I don’t like the agenda of either party.
I voted mostly against Hillary.
Had a different candidate been in without her dishonesty/corruption baggage (Bernie, Biden, etc.) — things would have different from my perspective.
Now uncharted territory awaits!
Really?
http://businessinsider.com/trump-tax-plan-populist-rich-2016-8
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/11/business/what-trump-and-the-gop-can-agree-on-tax-cuts-for-the-rich.html
There is none so blind as he who will not see.
Pssst… when Trump staffs his administration, which political party is he going to pick from? Two guesses, and the first one doesn’t count. 🙄
I voted to blow up the system.
I didn’t like the status quo.
Maybe the change will be good. Maybe the change will be bad.
You don’t know and I don’t know.
All I know is that people that liked the status quo (you) lost.
And people like me that hated the status quo (me) won.
We know very little about what will happen next, but the one is very crystal clear — you were wrong.
Hail to the victors!
The status quo wasn’t blown up. You got the Republican establishment in control now. Who do you think Trump is going to hire to work in his administration? The Republican establishment. Who controls the House and the Senate? The Republican establishment. Who’s going to be appointed to the Supreme Court? The Republican establishment.
We’re going back to the status quo of the Reagan and Dubya administrations. With the same graft, corruption, and sleaze.
It will be no different. You’ve been conned. You and all your gullible wingnut buddies. The sleazy con man you got elected will preside over the most corrupt administration ever.
Donald Trump has continually screwed over the little guy throughout his long career. He’s not going to change now.
Bend over and get the lube ready. 🙄
And I thought the idiot that told my friend on FaceBook that he would be marched into an oven because he was gay because Trump was elected was the dumbest thing I would read today.
Clearly I was wrong.
You forgot Throw Grandma Over the Cliff.
Now just get Breyer and that fossil Ginsberg to retire or die an we’re all set.
Thanks for the content-free response. That was pedrito-esque, well done.
(You know Trump and the Republicans are on the record as approving all the things I mentioned, right? That they’re in favor of cutting taxes for rich people and big corporations, for example, meaning YOU will be paying more. You’re aware of that, right?)
Let’s just take your one point, taxes.
I may pay a little more or I may pay a little less under a completely Republican controlled Washington.
Since you don’t know how much I make you don’t know if I’m one getting my taxes cut, pay more or pay none at all.
The fact remains that your post was still the dumbest thing I have read today but hey, you still have time to try again.
Congrats Diesel, if you’re a rich old white guy, then you’ll do fine under the Trump administration.
But if taxes are cut for the rich and the big corporations, it has to come from somewhere. Of course, Trump may just run huge deficits, like Reagan and Dubya before him. That’s a possibility too.
Thanks, Phydeau, I made a copy of this so I’ll have it when the time comes for you to eat your works.
I bookmarked it too, IM78. We’ll see, won’t we? 🙂
One of the best things about Trump winning is we get to laugh at Phydeau and Bobbo for another 4 years.
Yes, I’ve always been amazed at how well the Republicans have been able to convince the low information and low intelligence citizens to vote against their own economic interests.
Laugh all you want, pal, as the guy you voted for wrecks the country. 🙄
Y’all worshipped Dubya too when he first took office, till it became obvious what a disaster he was. Now none of you remember him, didn’t vote for him, nothing. I look forward to your similar flight from Trump when it becomes obvious what a disaster he is. 🙄
Shssh, Hillary is pulling her head from between Huma’s thighs to bless the world with some poignant statement about how she just got spanked by THE Donald.
Yuk. Get some therapy, dude.
Had some. They said I was fine.
They? Hmm.
Huma was in the front row giving her longing looks and that’s probably why Clinton’s voice cracked, excitement.
Only one thing better than watching her walk away today will be seeing her perp walked into jail.
So should/will Obama pardon Hillary on his way out?
An objective investigation is going to find that Hillary destroyed evidence after a judge approved a subpoena, if Wikileaks dumps are to be believed.
I also suspect an objective investigation will find a lot of “pay for play” activity where the Clinton Foundation accepted donations that happen to coincide with her activities as Secretary of State, also due to no small part due to Wikileaks dumps.
If Obama pardons Hillary, it could close that chapter out.
I hate it when that happens.
http://newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html
Don’t you have to be convicted of something in order to receive a pardon?
If so, there is no chance of her being convicted by Jan 29, 2017.
Get rid of Loretta Lynch and put Rudy Giuliani in and prosecute her after the inauguration.
Nixon wasn’t convicted of anything and Ford pardoned him.
I knew he was pardoned but not sure how it worked which is why I asked.
When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen’s off with her head
Remember what the dormouse said
Feed your head
Feed your head
http://tinyurl.com/cvceuaj
A ton of Democrats stayed home.
2012 popular vote: Obama 65 million, Romney 60 million
2016 popular vote: Hillary 59.6 million, Trump 59.4 million
Hillary didn’t appeal to enough Democrats, couldn’t get them excited about her.
That’s why she lost.
Good facts. Keeping with the song theme: ‘…♫… Who’s Sorry Now?…….♫”
Thom Hartman just made an excellent rant about how and why Hillary lost: because her campaign chose to be “anti-Trump” instead of focusing on the change agent that she would be. It was “clear” for all to see: Trump blew through 16 other Republican Status Quo candidates by saying he was the Change Candidate. Bernie came very close to winning by the same message….. we’ll never know if he could have won without the rigged system being “fixed” for Hillary.
Hillary included the change message but did not emphasize it. Could it have been that simple a “campaign focus” failure? I think so. You don’t get people to get out and vote “against” anyone. You have to be “for” issues. Ha, ha……….even if its a lie that Hillary was a change agent…. its a lie that could have been forcefully presented.
Oh…. to be a skillful politician: always for hope and change. All the Big Tyrants are.
At least I don’t have to go out and spend $10k on guns and ammo today.
Unless Oboomba screws with that before he leaves.
I think what you said is pretty much on the mark.
Hillary never appealed to the Democratic base in the primaries, only Bernie did.
Later she would never appeal to the Democratic base, instead trying to appeal to “Never Trump” Republican mega-donors.
The some of the Democratic base stayed home.
Game over.
Thom went on to talk about how the “Hope and change” candidate has been on the scene now for 20-30 years. That makes sense as the voting public becomes more and more dissatisfied and upset with business as usual out of Washington.
Ha, ha….heard a comment that in 2020 the first thing the Democrats should do is put all the Democratic “strategists” into jail.
Again: I’m not a politician. I don’t presume to guess what a whole bunch of people I don’t know are going to do. That said, I’d think a few bedrock principles should emerge and be known to politicians?
………I really don’t know how “anybody” could have watched Trump and Bernie and not figure out that this election was a call for change. CHANGE. BLOW IT ALL UP TO HECK ……. if that is what it is going to take.
And it was……not because Hillary wouldnot have brought some change to office…every candidate does.
Its just that my best guess is that the change Trump will bring is old time Reaganomics………..ie…….FAILED economic and tax policies that will kill for good the middle class of the USA. That is change after all.
EG: nobody is bringing JOBS back to America. Its what the Robotic and AI/Computer===DIGITAL AGE=== is all about. Predicted for the past 70 years, now here: workers aren’t needed.
Now……… how to organize society?
Are the answeres in the PAST?===> OR do we have to have a door stop’s worth of imagination and application of new ideas????
I feel for…………….the kiddies.
Lots of unknowns.
We do live in the age of automation.
Only thing we know …
The guy that won spent all of his campaign saying he would fight for the little guy against a rigged system.
I hope he does.
He at least knew the words people wanted to hear. So did Bernie. Hillary did not.
Even if he does fight for change, it’s going to be hard to do because of like you said …
1) Automation
2) The national debt
3) The global structure of the economy
4) Lots of people out of jobs, under-employed
5) College debt many have
Tough world. Tough challenges.
Every winner deserves a honeymoon period where they get the benefit of the doubt for the first 6 months of their presidency.
Despite hating Hillary in particular, yesterday I was preparing for her election and trying to find Hillary’s good points to do exactly that myself.
Shirley you don’t buy a Billionaire is for the little guy? They do exist…but not any I know of that are currently being sued for illegally preventing his employees from unionizing WHILE they are paid $2 less per hour than their buds employed elsewhere.
Its simply a LIE. Lies people want to hear…and its easy enough to see through “if you want to.”
Ha, ha………same kind of lie that had the Evangelica’s voting overwhelmingly for an atheist…which is what love of money is.
Trump===ha, ha. I hope he returns to his roots and actually does act more like a Democrat: “No changes to Social Security” which is at root for Trumps dispute with Ryan.
We don’t know the future. Few of us even know ourselves.
No, they decided on anti-Trump as their only chance. They knew Hillary was a loser. Wikileaks today- Bill Clinton declared path to victory was by declaring Trump dangerous and bigoted. Saw threat that he might win in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Virginia, Minnesota.
Blame the media that covered for Hillary’s lies to keep her a viable candidate. If she had been thrown out instead of a partisan circling of the wagons, Dems could have put up a real candidate.
But Donald Trump knew who he was dealing with, because he’s been doing it for decades. He knew his opponents were Crooked Hillary and Low Energy Jeb.
Not liking what folks (on the losing side) are saying in response to his win. Not sure, but it may not be all roses and gin for the next four years.
The losing of a election by the neoconservative Clinton is not going well here in NYC.
https://twitter.com/PartWarrior/status/796527703985913856?s=09
Thousands in the streets burning the American flag in front of Trump tower.
I can guarantee that all here who are drinking Trump’s cool-aid will be backing away from him in a couple of years, just like the W apologists, who realizing that you have backed a jackass who blew up the debt and the middle east.
Mark my words!
I can guarantee that all of those who are attacking Trump will be praising him in several years, to compare him to the new Republican nominee. Just like they did with George W Bush who is now a paragon of virtue and moderation and intelligence that Trump is not.
If you’re wondering or trying to pin a label on Me, I did not vote, why bother in NY. I am a registered R. But voted for Ross Perot, not Bill Clinton years ago. Never voted for a Bush.
Yeah, bright idea, Let’s Blow Up the peace, you’re all nuts. Washington will stay corrupt. Your hope and change is an illusion spewed by a sociopath.
https://youtu.be/yuOZ_qm7Vq4
This is gonna be a Hell of a ride. The comedians are secretly ecstatic about The Don being elected.
Donald Jr. is feckin high, or a tyrant.
Your president-elect, in touch with the Russians during the campaign after all. Lie #4,326 of the Trump campaign.
http://reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-russia-trump-idUSKBN1351RJ
Feeling good that your incoming president was canoodling with enemies of the USA? Maybe it’s because of the money he owes the Russian banks? 🙄
Why are you so eager to make Russia an enemy?
When they were bent on attacking the US and implementing Communism, you guys were ready to surrender. Why now?
Hillary took a million dollars from Qatar and money from Saudi Arabia, two countries she acknowledges are funding ISIS. Why didn’t you hold an emergency meeting to have her removed from the ballot?
Lordy, NFS. Trump is playing footsie with the Russians and so you think they’re peachy-keen now? Thanks, I won’t expect any rational response from you in the future. 🙄
Reagan met with the Russians. George Bush Sr met with them. Bill Clinton met with them. Obama met with them, and on a hot mic told Medvedev to tell Putin that after the election he would have more flexibility to make a deal with him. Now Trump says he will get along with Putin. Hillary wants a no-fly zone to shoot down Russian planes.