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First day of ObamaCare and first day of Shut Down. Ah, the joys of Government provided health care. It’s like having a doctor’s appointment and arriving only to discover he went bankrupt. How ya like it so far?
Shame on the Senate for not passing the House passed budget bill to keep the government open. Shame on Obama for saying he won’t sign it, and for not encouraging his minions to pass the bill.
Shame on the Teanderthals for extortion. Withholding payment of bills in order to undermine a 2010 law that was passed by Congress and signed into law. Then, adding a vagina component at the last minute.
Pres Obama should not and did not negotiate with these terrorists.
Perhaps if the democrats hadn’t rammed it down America’s throat, people might be more willing to swallow it instead of trying to choke it back up.
Law was passed democratically by both houses of Congress, signed by the President, upheld by the Supreme Court and reaffirmed in the re- election of President Obama.
Why do you hate the democratic process and Constitution?
Because that is not what the country is supposed to be.
It is supposed to be a Republic, not a democracy.
Move. When the system of enacting laws changes, we’ll send you an email .
Leave immediately .
@#%!!@# threading . . .
Why?
It’s about to fix itself!
Two HUGE holes in your theory:
a) Bill passed and become Law. Than, contrary to powers given to the President in the Constitution, President Obama acted as an Emperor Obama and altered the Law as he saw fit. Now, country ceases to be country of laws becoming country of Men. One of Republican propositions was to keep the law as voted in, without any Obama meddling. Latest proposal removes ONE Obama meddling and evens his Obamacare giving to corporate cronies by giving the same to every ordinary citizen…
b) See you when alteration of the Law passed by both houses and signed by President Obama comes due 10/17. Debt ceiling. Law. Even track record of the same President as a Senator voting NOT to raise debt ceiling… Who will be the hater of democracy? Democrats and the President for wanting it altered? And that one passed in bipartisan fashion…
Why?
It’s about to fix itself!
I sure wish I had your optimism. I never knew the government fixed ANYTHING!
The Constitution says all tax bill must originate in the House, with Senate limited to amendments. Yet, that didn’t happen here but for the fig leaf of taking a House passed bill and throwing out everything except the House number on the bill.
Those silly congress critters … Funny how when some put up a vote to jam it down their own throats they all reply “I’m already taken.”
“Pres. Obama should not and did not negotiate with these terrorists.”
Yea, besides he is busy with the ones in Iran.
Hehe. He’ll negotiate with them though. Perhaps if the Republicans started threatening to kill Jews he could get Obama to talk to them.
Naturally, for those who are only fishing to hear ‘kudos’ from Obama.
Just when did any terrorists try and negotiate with anyone? I’ll have to assume you’re referring to Congress which is a complete branch of government that somehow still manages to come together AS A GROUP.
But then we have your precious asshole of a President and his barking hell hound Senate majority leader who act like legislative TURDS trying to CONTROL it all. It’s as if the office of President were being transformed into the office of king where the occupant doesn’t NEED to negotiate with anyone – or even obey any of the laws! Sounds like maybe you need to look at who you’re calling a terrorist.
But you do raise a good point. We are still at war. And what’s the first rule in war, do you think?
That’s right! DIVIDE AND CONQUER!
So could this country be any more divided? Could you be any more of a terrorist’s PUPPET for spreading your hate and ignorance?!
(Read my Name again!)
You make it sound like shutting the GOP out of all discussions in a Democrat-controlled House and Senate for the bill was somehow bipartisan.
Said the liberal comparing Constitutional checks & balance to terrorism.
What is Compromise?
Here are three decent definitions I found with minimal effort.
1) An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.
2) Settle a dispute by mutual concession.
3) Weaken (a reputation or principle) by accepting standards that are lower than is desirable.
I think we can all agree that these describe the word quite well. So why define that word?
I hear quite a bit about how Congress is not compromising. I agree that compromise is a good thing, but sometimes there can be no compromise. To invoke Godwin’s Law (thus, immediately losing the argument), let me pose this question: Should we have compromised with Hitler?
Obviously not. The stakes were too high.
In my opinion, the stakes are too high today in Congress as well. We have two camps of special interests (Democrats and Republicans) both looking at the U.S. Budget, drooling at the chops, circling each other, waiting to get their their hands on that budget. Neither side gives a rat’s ass about us. They only want control of the budget. With that budget, they can demand favors from people and line their pockets with it. I know this is a cliche question, but why would someone spend ONE BILLION dollars to get elected to a job that only pays FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND dollars each year? The answer is simple; to control a budget that is worth 3,500 times as much, THREE TRILLION FIVE HUNDRED BILLION dollars!
A friend of mine recently described this problem in very succinct terms: “[…]we have committed way too much of our collective treasure to the boondoggle we call the Federal Government.”
This is why I feel there can be no compromise. It isn’t that I feel the Democrats are wrong and the Republicans are right; it’s because I don’t want either side to come out on top of this. This country needs a wake-up call. It needs to know that neither side is speaking for them. And the only way for them to learn that is to lay bare their greed.
When the government shutdown in the 90s occurred, one side stood to lose because they looked worse in the eyes of the people.
Here, neither side is looking better than the other.
Cases in Point:
1) The majority of people don’t like Obamacare.
2) A non-trivial number of them don’t want Obama to look bad.
3) The Republicans could care less about it, but they don’t want to give the other side any Brownie Points. However, they’ve chosen to actually use an intellectual argument that makes sense.
Where does that leave us?
The American People are stuck between the Obama-True-Believers and the intellectually astute argument that even the Obama-True-Believers know to make sense.
Looking back at our definitions for Compromise, we see that one side must make concessions or accept lower standards.
In our current situation, the only concession is the funding status of Obamacare. There is no compromise available – it is total victory or total defeat. If either side caves, they lose all credibility and gain absolutely nothing.
The only winners in this no-compromise situation are going to be the American People because they’ll see both sides for what they are – greedy bastards who only want to win the game.
Compromise is possible: current bill from the House DOES NOT de-fund or obstruct Obamacare. It asks
a) Individual exemption for ordinary people equal to the one President gave (unilaterally and likely un-Constitutionally) to the Big Business. If giving Big Business exemption is not killing the law – evening the field and giving it to all for a year is not “killing” but reasonable compromise.
b) President, again quite clearly going beyond his powers exempt Congress from Obamacare DESPITE AMENDMENT STATING EXACTLY OPPOSITE is not only inn the Law but was the only thing there voted by bipartisan, overwhelming majorities. Second Republican demand is simply to strictly enforce that existing part of the bill. Not kill anyone or thing. Apply existing law as written (which should be trivial in the country of laws).
One side is offering compromise. The other refuses to meet in the middle. And the comparison with Hitler is idiotic (and for the side which just exchanged niceties with current Hitler equivalent in the World). Is asking for the Law to be implemented EXACTLY as written so bad (and if Yes – why have it)? Is insisting that every exemption be given equally so horrific?
One side refuses to compromise because they are driven by the Imperial President on their backs. Take away Imperial powers and issues resolve quickly and easily.
That won’t happen for reasons just described. Neither side is going to cave.
It’s all about to come tumbling down.
AFA my Hitler comment, look up Godwin’s Law.
We did compromise with Hitler. Munich Agreement negotiated by Joe Kennedy.
Unconditional surrender prolonged the war and kept German generals from cutting a deal.
Maybe my history is rusty. Did the United States even get involved with that?
googling . . .
“The agreement was signed by Germany, France, the United Kingdom, and Italy.”
Perhaps it’s dangerous to get history from Kevin Costner, but in Thirteen Days, they refer to Joe as one of the architects of Munich.
He was ambassador to the UK at the time.
True that. I’ll accept that argument.
Last time I looked at any credible history book, England’s Prime Minister Chamberlain actually came to a compromised agreement with Hitler. Problem was, Hitler was just too full of his own bullshit and didn’t feel the need to honor it. And it took a lot of innocent people to correct that one mistake too. (Funny how the same number of innocent lives is again 6 million people – just sayin.)
You fail to realize that there has already been quite a bit of compromise with Obamacare. And all the Tea party really wants to do is defund it. But even they are willing to compromise if that dick in the White House would just act presidential and NEGOTIATE! But this is something that any seasoned (experienced) leader would know how to do – not Obama!
So good luck come Oct 17. This time it could get significantly more ugly – for everyone.
The Romney Care (excuse me, the Affordable Care Act) has been law for three years! In that time the the house has voted 44 times to completely abolish it.
Now, with it well past the 11th hour, with it well past deadline even, NOW they say they think they might be able to negotiate just a little. REALLY! And you think the president is not acting “presidential” enough by not kindly taking these good people up on their generous offer to let them come in and ransack the legislation. You know, it’s either give us all your stuff or else they will be forced to break our kneecaps.
President had no problem ransacking the legislation, announcing delays and cancellations of parts of the law as he sees fit.
Politifact says:
Some items on the list qualify as significant in the eyes of the health policy experts we contacted. One of the country’s leading authorities on health care law, Timothy Jost at the Washington and Lee School of Law, pointed to three:
A one-year delay in requiring firms with over 50 workers to provide insurance
Scrapping a long-term care insurance program (for nursing home care, for example) called the CLASS Act
Lifting the requirement on businesses to file a form called a 1099 for a variety of business expenses
The administration acted on its own to delay the employer mandate, explaining that the systems were not in place to implement it. The other two changes came through votes in Congress.
“Congress couldn’t find a way to make the CLASS Act actuarially sound,” Jost said, “so they repealed it and put the money elsewhere.”
As for the business reporting rule, “businesses said this was a huge burden and Congress responded,” Jost said. “There was strong bipartisan support, and you could find the votes to make those sorts of changes.”
In addition to those three, a program to create consumer health insurance cooperatives was retained but lost $2.2 billion in funding.
Most of the items on the Congressional Research Service list, however, are less dramatic. Several clarified that certain government health insurance programs would count as coverage under the individual mandate. This included Tricare, which covers the military, and insurance through Veterans Affairs.
Other adjustments extended tax breaks, such as a tax credit for families that adopt a child. There were changes in the Medicaid federal matching formula (to keep money flowing to Louisiana after Katrina), and a tweak to the calculation of income that determines the level of premium subsidies in the insurance exchanges.
Such changes are common in Congress, according to our experts.
“Legislators aren’t perfect,” said Jost. “They don’t get everything right the first time. That’s the nature of the legislative process.”
It is also clear that Obama did not drive the majority of the changes. They emerged as Congress worked on various elements of a multi-faceted law. Still, Obama signed off on those changes as part of larger pieces of legislation.
PolitiFact also declared a Lie of the Year, and it turned out to be true.
For Obama, it is more important that millions lose their jobs or are shifted to part-time status, while having their health care premiums rise, than to have the government operating.
Excerpt from a column in the online version of the Louisville Courier-Journal by James Carrol
And now a word or two from George Washington
… the nation’s newest presidential library was dedicated Friday. (The Fred W. Smith National Library for the Study of George Washington at Mount Vernon)
Virginia senator Mark Warner retold a moment in Washington’s fight for independence that was very useable. Washington had traveled from camp in upstate New York in December 1778 to visit Philadelphia, seat of the Continental Congress.
Gen. Washington, Warner told the audience at the library dedication, was appalled by the great comforts Philadelphia’s citizens were enjoying while his army of rag-tag volunteers was barely surviving.
And yet, the Continental Congress and Philadelphia were pre-occupied with other, petty matters.
“Party disputes and personal quarrels are the great business of the day, whilst the momentous concerns of an empire, a great and accumulated debt; ruined finances, depreciated money and want of credit are but secondary considerations and postponed from day to day, week to week, as if our affairs wore the most promising aspect,” Warner quoted Washington as saying.
Columnist Carrol added:
I looked up that Washington letter, written to Benjamin Harrison, a signer of the Declaration of Independence.
Washington, the man who would become the first president of the United States, also observed this: “A picture of the times, and of Men; from what I have seen, heard and in part know, I should in one word say that idleness, dissipation and extravagance seem to have laid fast hold of most of them. The speculation, peculation and an insatiable thirst for riches seems (sic) to have got the better of every other consideration.”
WHO wants politicians in office?
I WANT BOOK KEEPERS and people WHO KNOW how to balance a checkbook..
Government shut down? Huh, didn’t notice.
You will. The National Park Service goes overtime to make sure people notice. Shutting down parks that are wide open and open 24/7 with noone running them just by putting some cones at the parking lot. We’ll see if Obama delays Social Security checks just to blame it on Republicans.
ObamaCare=CRAP
This will turn out very, very badly for the GOP.
Which is why the President wants it to continue.
I don’t know if Obama wants this to continue or not. You can believe what you want to believe.
The House GOP are shooting at Obama and will end up killing Boehner instead. They don’t have a plan.
Of course he wants it to continue. That’s why they are paying people to protest, pretending to be government workers out of a job. And they are protesting veterans coming to visit the WW2 Memorial, which they spent lots of money to shut down.
1. Syria, red line on chemical weapons.
2. Government shutdown, will not negotiate.
3. Obama, arrogant ass that opens his mouth without thinking.
The government shutdown is the fault of the House GOP in a nutshell because:
1. The House GOP proposed giving ObamaCare extensions to individual Americans like President Obama recently has for Big Business
2. The House GOP proposed eliminating ObamaCare exemptions for all members of Congress and the President
3. The Senate Democrats REFUSE to negotiate or discuss things with the House GOP even though this is what they’re supposed to do (and regardless of how many times the House GOP has tried to have meetings with them)
“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.”
Abraham Lincoln
First Inaugural Address
Monday, March 4, 1861
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