Reuters) – The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three embassy staff were killed in an attack on the Benghazi consulate and a safe house refuge, stormed by Islamist gunmen blaming America for a film they said insulted the Prophet Mohammad. Gunmen had attacked and set fire to the U.S. consulate in the eastern city of Benghazi, the cradle of last year’s uprising against Muammar Gaddafi’s 42-year rule, late on Tuesday evening as another assault was mounted on the U.S. embassy in Cairo.

California-born ambassador Christopher Stevens was killed in the assault, but it was not clear how or where he died. U.S. consular staff were rushed to a safe house after the initial attack, Libya’s Deputy Interior Minister Wanis Al-Sharif said.

An evacuation plane with U.S. commandos units then arrived from Tripoli to evacuate them from the house. “It was supposed to be a secret place and we were surprised the armed groups knew about it. There was shooting,” Sharif said. Two U.S. personnel were killed there, he said. Two other people were killed at the main consular building and between 12 and 17 wounded. The attack raised questions about the future U.S. diplomatic presence in Libya, relations between Washington and Tripoli, the unstable security situation in post-Gaddafi Libya and whether more protests might erupt in the Muslim world over the film.

The amateurish film, promoted by a U.S. pastor, portrayed Mohammad as a fool, a philanderer and a religious fake. In one clip posted on YouTube, Mohammad was shown in an apparent sex act with a woman.

Maybe we should think twice when aiding the overthrow of foreign governments….the devil you know kind of thing? Just a thought.

UPDATE: And here come the drones, first we set them up then we have us a tidy little war. The MIC wins Again!



  1. noname says:

    Who say Mohammad followers are a peaceful people? They are fanatical killers!

  2. Comanche says:

    Ya, Well at least China isn’t pumping oil out of Libia,

  3. Carlos says:

    Ooopsie! I’m sure Barry won’t be mentioning his support of these freedom fighters anymore.

    Getting rid of G’Daffy Duck must have seemed such a good idea when all he was worried about was the Chinese getting access to the Libyan oil. Still, I’m sure the Syrian escapade will be much more successful. Maybe third time lucky?

    • bobbo, one true Liberal recognizing Obama is too far Right says:

      Lets not be typically American and thick as a brick?

      Like America, the Arab World has lots of factions and those factions have lots of overlap and change over time. Egypt isn’t Libia isn’t Syria isn’t Iran and so forth. There are Pro and Anti American and Modernity and Repressive Regimes in all these countries each advantaging themselves off the Great Satan.

      Try not to be a brick.

  4. noname says:

    Taxed Enough Already Dude, Your fanatical obama hate is already so acrid and foul, it’s no different then the Muslims! Get over it, before it destroys you!

    • orchidcup says:

      When you say something to him, he becomes infuriated and more paranoid.

      He will go into a rant about the Bible or Marxist Obama or other strange things.

      • howard beale says:

        our little alfee here is just a lonely, weak, pathetic man he spends his days with suckling from the tits of rush, o’reilly, weiner(aka savage guy even hates his own name)ect. then regurgitates it up on web forums he couldn’t have time for any real friends because he is always here

        hmm i wonder if romney’s statements enraged the protesters and just got our ambassador to libya killed? yo mitt stop with the early statements on rapidley developing complex crises you have been birned on this before and you might be getting people killed

        and alf get a life then try to stay on topic in that life

    • tcc3 says:

      Clearly Christianity is a religion of hate. TeaDud is proof of that…

      • orchidcup says:

        They don’t hate other Christians!

        Well, maybe the Catholics or the Jehovah’s Witness, or Mormons, and maybe a carload of other Christian sects.

        Each of the more than 3,000 Christian sects practices the one true religion, if that makes any sense.

  5. orchidcup says:

    The movie trailer is hilarious.

    Here is the movie trailer that insults Muhammad:

    Muhammad Movie Trailer

    I see that Sam Bacile has gone into hiding.

  6. Mad Dog Jack says:

    I happen to agree with the first poster. That being said I also believe the “pastor” should be charged with incitement to murder for his part in this. Yes, we do have a right to free speech and yes, things have been said and shown in film of less than flattering things about Jesus Christ.But no, we do not have the right to yell “fire!” in a movie theater full of people.
    Personally I think the “pastor” killed those men, and any others killed as a result of that movie, as surely as if he had pulled the trigger himself.

    • orchidcup says:

      I am making a movie that demonstrates the many contradictions and inconsistencies contained in the Bible, and examines the idea that Jesus Christ never existed.

      If I fear assassination by a religious fanatic, how will free speech be protected?

      The author of the movie is not a criminal.

      • NewformatSux says:

        You have learned all the wrong lessons. Don’t you know it’s ridiculous to think they hate us because we are free?

        • orchidcup says:

          It depends on who you mean by “they.”

          There are radical extremist Islamists as well as those that are moderate or indifferent.

          Many of the moderate or indifferent Muslims migrated to the USA to escape religious persecution. The extremists hate us because we tolerate different religions, or no religion at all.

          For the extremists of any religion, it is “my way or the highway.”

          There are Christian extremists in this country that don’t get it.

    • Carlos says:

      Burning a book about one particular sky pixie is hardly incitement to murder. I always remember the placards being waved around outside the embassies during the cartoons episode “Death to anyone who says we are violent faith”.

      Their culture obviously haven’t reached understanding of irony yet… how they’ll laugh when they do!

      • orchidcup says:

        My mother never understood the irony of calling me a son-of-a-bitch.

  7. NewformatSux says:

    Bush disarmed Libya and took it off the state sponsors of terror list. Obama took out Ghadafi and put Al Qaeda at the Italian border. Bin Laden has stated that Italy and Spain are properly Muslim lands. Meanwhile, in Egypt, Obama is forgiving Egyptian loans and handing out $1 billion per year.
    At least he isn’t actively trying to overthrow Assad. Better he kill Syrians than the Syrians kill Americans.

    • Carlos says:

      It’s true that Italy is being overwhelmed at the moment as it’s the European Benefits Gateway for North Africa but they tend to take things into their own hands once they’ve had enough… and that’s already on the increase.

      • NewformatSux says:

        So are they going to reinvade Libya? Either way, Al Qaeda hadn’t gotten that far before. They were in Sudan for awhile until they were kicked out.

  8. Mextli: ABO says:

    At least things are going well in Egypt. That diplomacy stuff sure works well over there.

    “Muslim protesters in Egypt stormed the American embassy in Cairo, replacing the American flag with a black flag honoring Islam on the 11th anniversary of the 9-11 attacks by Muslim terrorists.”

  9. NewformatSux says:

    My first reaction to the headline, is how did Occupy Wall Street crowd get visas to Libya?

  10. orchidcup says:

    The state department should offer to burn the Bible and insult Jesus to make the score even.

    • Carlos says:

      No no.. it should be the Kenyan Beer Brew’s Guide to insult Barry.

      • orchidcup says:

        I can insult Barry without resorting to book burning.

        The Kenyan Beer Brewer’s Guide is actually useful for something. Brewing beer is my guess.

  11. NewformatSux says:

    No doubt this was because Obama insisted that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel be included in the Democratic Party platform. Perhaps if the ambassadors had informed the crowd that Obama removed the calls to: not negotiate with Hamas, that refugees be sent to Palestinian state and not Israel, and that Israel’s 1949 borders are unreasonable negotiations endpoint, then perhaps the crowd would have been placated. Someone call Cairo embassy before things get out of hand.

  12. Dallas says:

    Willard, the tool, takes advantage of the death of an American diplomat and peacemaker to advance his pathetic campaign.

    • NewformatSux says:

      No, he decided not to stay quiet because he knew the Obama campaign would attack him if he did, saying he was ignoring foreign policy. Even at his press conference, instead of asking him about foreign policy, the media was full of questions about timing and tone.

      • orchidcup says:

        The Obama campaign is supposed to attack him, we are in the middle of an election.

        The media is supposed to ask questions at a press conference.

        Current events are fair game.

        • NewformatSux says:

          They should have been asking him questions appropriate for a presidential candidate, and save the background stuff for background people. Instead, they are acting as an arm of the Obama campaign.

          • orchidcup says:

            Oh, I get it. The liberal media is making it hard on the conservative candidate.

            Thanks for edumacating me, Rush Limbaugh.

          • tcc3 says:

            Appropriate Question: any Question the Romney Campaign has a vague pre- scripted answer for.

            Maybe they should nominate the “background people” for president, if they have all the answers. They couldnt do any worse than Romney has been.

      • Dallas says:

        He opened his corn dog hole before even knowing a diplomat was murdered.

        Then he back peddled later for making a fool of himself that even his handlers could stand to watch.

    • NewformatSux says:

      Perhaps a strong response from the Obama admin in Egypt would have prevented an escalation in Libya. Osama spelled it out in his videos. You follow a strong horse, not a weak horse.

      I wonder how he reacted when he saw that statement out of Cairo.

  13. NewformatSux says:

    And Obama needs to send a direct message to Al Qaeda to please stop until after the election.

  14. Dallas says:

    As usual, the Christian Taliban and Muslim Taliban are pissing in each others yard over who has the most peace loving God. As a result, American diplomats and patriots lose their life.

    In the meantime, Willard sticks his foot in his mouth trying to make up for his shitty convention and his bizarre ‘talk to chair’ featured performer.

    • NewformatSux says:

      Bring him back to tell the crowd in Cairo, get off my lawn.

      • NewformatSux says:

        You can reason with them, if the reasoning is backed by Clint Eastwood holding a gun. The nuts in Iran seek war to bring about the return of the 12th imam and say that a nuclear attack on Israel and an Israeli nuclear counterattack is OK because it will leave most of the Muslim world intact. When they saw Bush attacking Iraq, they suspended their nuclear program.

        • orchidcup says:

          I am so thankful you are not the President.

          I am so thankful we suffered through 8 years of Bush the Douche without triggering World War Three.

          Now all we need to worry about is recovering from the economic and civil liberty disaster of Bush and his successors.

    • orchidcup says:

      You cannot reason with people that still exist in the medieval era of history.

      Qu’ran:

      The Believer

      40:4 None argue concerning the revelations of Allah save those who disbelieve, so let not their turn of fortune in the land deceive thee (O Muhammad).

      40:5 The folk of Noah and the factions after them denied (their messengers) before these, and every nation purposed to seize their messenger and argued falsely, (thinking) thereby to refute the Truth. Then I seized them, and how (awful) was My punishment.
      Allah sent an awful punishment at the time of Noah.

      40:6 Thus was the word of thy Lord concerning those who disbelieve fulfilled: That they are owners of the Fire.

      40:7 Those who bear the Throne, and all who are round about it, hymn the praises of their Lord and believe in Him and ask forgiveness for those who believe (saying): Our Lord! Thou comprehendest all things in mercy and knowledge, therefore forgive those who repent and follow Thy way. Ward off from them the punishment of hell.

      40:8 Our Lord! And make them enter the Gardens of Eden which thou hast promised them, with such of their fathers and their wives and their descendants as do right. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Mighty, the Wise.

      40:9 And ward off from them ill-deeds; and he from whom Thou wardest off ill-deeds that day, him verily hast Thou taken into mercy. That is the supreme triumph.

      40:10 Lo! (on that day) those who disbelieve are informed by proclamation: Verily Allah’s abhorrence is more terrible than your abhorrence one of another, when ye were called unto the faith but did refuse.
      Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve.

      40:11 They say: Our Lord! Twice hast Thou made us die, and twice hast Thou made us live. Now we confess our sins. Is there any way to go out ?

      40:12 (It is said unto them): This is (your plight) because, when Allah only was invoked, ye disbelieved, but when some partner was ascribed to Him ye were believing. But the command belongeth only to Allah, the Sublime, the Majestic.

      40:13 He it is Who showeth you His portents, and sendeth down for you provision from the sky. None payeth heed save him who turneth (unto Him) repentant.

      40:14 Therefor (O believers) pray unto Allah, making religion pure for Him (only), however much the disbelievers be averse –

      40:15 The Exalter of Ranks, the Lord of the Throne. He causeth the Spirit of His command upon whom He will of His slaves, that He may warn of the Day of Meeting,

      40:16 The day when they come forth, nothing of them being hidden from Allah. Whose is the Sovereignty this day ? It is Allah’s, the One, the Almighty.

      40:17 This day is each soul requited that which it hath earned; no wrong (is done) this day. Lo! Allah is swift at reckoning.

      40:18 Warn them (O Muhammad) of the Day of the approaching (doom), when the hearts will be choking the throats, (when) there will be no friend for the wrong-doers, nor any intercessor who will be heard.

      The Holy Scriptures are unambiguous. The meaning is clear.

      • deowll says:

        You left out where Christ said turn the other cheek and asked God to forgive those who crucified him. I suppose that degree of love and forgiveness didn’t match up with your political agenda. If you ask him he’ll even forgive you though you hate him and have stirred up violence against him and those who love him.

        • orchidcup says:

          I was quoting the Qu’ran.

          Christ is a minor prophet in the Islamic “faith.”

          Where did I indicate I hate Jesus Christ?

          I cannot hate something that does not exist.

          I forgive you for misunderstanding.

    • deowll says:

      The embassy staff are dead because the idiot in charge didn’t heed warnings that things were going south and they needed to beef up security or get their people out before things blew up like the Jews did. This has happened before in Iran under Carter and the people we staged revolutions to put in power are the same political group that took over in Iran thus the Egyptian/Iran conference. This is what our government had to say about what happened to our embassy in Egypt:

      http://egypt.usembassy.gov/pr091112.html

      • orchidcup says:

        The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

        The State Department is confused.

        Free speech includes the right to criticize and analyze religious beliefs.

        There are hundreds, if not thousands, of books that take a critical stance about various religious beliefs.

        The First Amendment of the Constitution protects free speech. Period. The End.

  15. deowll says:

    At the moment this was posted there is a picture of the Ambassador’s body being hauled around on the shoulder of one of his killers at Drudge.

  16. NewformatSux says:

    Early in the morning, Egyptian intelligence reported that there would be attacks on the Israeli and American embassies in Egypt. Perhaps if the President would attend his daily presidential briefings, this sort of thing could have been avoided. Where’s Michael Moore when we need him?

    • orchidcup says:

      How would the President propose to avoid the ignorance and violence of religious fanatics?

      How is Michael Moore involved in this situation? He is a filmmaker.

      • NewformatSux says:

        Have you forgotten? Moore and the rest of the Left made a big deal that Bush’s Presidential Daily Briefing said Bin Laden determined to attack, thus 9/11 was Bush’s failure to act on intelligence.
        Here, the intelligence gave specific targets and date, and we find out the President has skipped about half his daily briefings. Time for Moore to make another movie. Baracketology.

        • orchidcup says:

          I think it is clear that Bush failed to act on intelligence.

          And I didn’t even see the movie.

          The Bush Administration admitted they dropped the ball on Bin Laden.

          Did you just get back from a vacation on Venus?

  17. Jerry says:

    “Nothing is true, everything is permitted.”
    Hasan bin Sabah, (1050s-1124)

  18. Kent says:

    Karma.

  19. Sir Gary says:

    Am I the only one here that thinks this whole attack was nothing more than a CIA hit job to remove the people who knew the truth about America’s involvement in the Arab Spring and the overthrow of Libya. I think a target had been acquired and the riots served as a great way to coverup the work of the “Jackals” (EHM reference) who were sent to clean up the mess. Obviously the folks at the Egyption embassy were on board with the program and had no loose threads that needed to be snipped so that riot served as a general purpose distraction to main action. The whole first amendment controversy that has come out of the statements will be the real distraction of the week with the Palin-esque remarks from Republican Pres. Candidate Mitt “Waffleboy Willard” Romney dominating the media for the next week while the jackals go ahead and plan their next action in some third world nation that we want to dominate.

    I will go back in the corner with Adam.

    • orchidcup says:

      Usually when angry ignorant Muhhamad defenders get bent out of shape over an insult to the prophet they start killing each other.

      Maybe that is the plan.

      Maybe we should drop pamphlets all over the Muslim world with a cartoon of Muhhamed having sex with Jesus and let the idiots kill each other.

      • The0ne says:

        I totally agree with you. Nothing gets them more crazy than a cartoon of Muhhamed with anything they don’t like.

      • UncDon says:

        Obama won’t speak with the Israeli PM, the PM wants to know why he cannot bomb Iran, Iran takes out Israel, everyone in the West is incensed, Mecca is nuked, the UN has decades of cleanup operations, and Trans-Eurasia is free of natives for peaceful mining and drilling.

        Just think about it.

        • orchidcup says:

          Good thinking.

          Except Israel is God’s Chosen People, and He will send a whirlwind or asteroid or something to destroy the infidels and rain manna from Heaven for hungry people or some other miracle.

          • UncDon says:

            What is manna? I’m thinking … chocolate — but it will probably taste like chicken.

          • Torsten Hallman says:

            I expect manna tastes a lot more like sticks and twigs than chicken

    • soundwash says:

      Sir Gary,

      re: “the truth”

      what, you think we illegally backed and funded the “rebel” nato/death squads (read LIFG and friends [*cough -Al-Qaeda- cough*] ) that now controls (and i use that term loosely) Libya, are the same thugs that killed the ambassador?

      -that the actions against Gaddafi (who just prior to having war, er a “no-fly” waged against him in 2011, was given a seat on the Human Rights Council and well slap me silly, -that UNESCO was about to bestow a human rights AWARD upon him for his human rights achievements the very same month (march, 2011) we started bombing him, ( http://current.com/community/93508398_gaddafi-set-to-receive-un-humanitarian-award-in-march-2012.htm ) -were somehow not kosher and that this is just some more “cleanup detail” after the fact?

      Omg, how could you think such a thing!? }:-]

      Nono, no silly, see, the way i see it, remember the other day when obama snubbed netanyahu (and his mad desire to attack iran for fictional nukes, -again) for a meeting? the Mossad did what they do best: they attack U.S. assets disguised as some local-yokels so as to compel, -er give us the perfect excuse (whether we want it or not) to then act according to *their* wishes. -us being their favorite sock puppet and all..

      Of course, this could also just be those pesky zionist/neocons (re: the PNAC boys) finishing up one of their stated goals of completely destabilizing the middle east just for shits, giggles and lots of yummy war/power/profits and nuke clouds,
      -but i have no proof of that. (ha!)

      -save of course for the fact that it appears that most of Mitt’s current foreign policy campaign advisors all used to be in the employ of Bush sr. (uh-oh..)

      -who knows-maybe there *is* a difference between parties??
      (bahahhahahahahahaha..!)

      ok.. i’ll back to sleep now before i get some loud knocks on the door..and sent to the same corner as you and Adam. ;p

      -s

  20. NewformatSux says:

    “We ask the American government to take a firm position toward this film’s producers within the framework of international charters that criminalize acts that stir strife on the basis of race, color or religion.”

    • orchidcup says:

      We must have peace if we have to kill everybody!

      So Bill Maher is in big trouble for making the documentary “Religulous.”

      Mark Twain books will be burned.

      “Stranger In A Strange Land” by Robert Heinlein will be burned.

      “If God existed (a question concerning which Jubal maintained a meticulous intellectual neutrality) and if He desired to be worshiped (a proposition which Jubal found inherently improbable but conceivably possible in the dim light of his own ignorance), then (stipulating affirmatively both the above) it nevertheless seemed wildly unlikely to Jubal to the point of reductio ad absurdum that a God potent to shape galaxies would be titillated and swayed by the whoop-te-do nonsense the Fosterites offered Him as “worship.”

      ― Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land

    • orchidcup says:

      Are saying this is a conspiracy?

      This is the way reporters get ready for a press conference.

      They are making sure they have all the questions covered.

      That is their job, dimwit.

      • NewformatSux says:

        Yea, it’s a conspiracy. It is not their job to try and shape the news, in this case they want to sell the idea that Romney messed up, and make sure that’s what he gets asked.

  21. NewformatSux says:

    A radical group plans to launch terrorist attacks against the Israeli and U.S. embassies in Cairo, the Egyptian Intelligence Service is warning.

    Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/09/11/Egypt-Letter-warns-of-embassy-attacks/UPI-40211347365958/#ixzz26Ho3sANJ

    • orchidcup says:

      If the Egyptian Intelligence Service wanted to stop the supposed terrorist attack, they should not have warned everyone with a press release to the whole world.

      They have the phone number to our intelligence services.

      Do you think this might be a distraction?

      • NewformatSux says:

        That was a news report about the intelligence service. They did contact the relevant players.

        • orchidcup says:

          Why would the Egyptians contact the relevant players and then warn the suspected actors by releasing the information to the whole wide world?

          • NewformatSux says:

            Why would the New York Times want the suspected actors by releasing the information to the whole wide world?

            In Egypt, the embassy sent staff home in anticipation of problems. 6AM, noon Egypt time, they issued their apology letter, BEFORE the protests.
            It was many hours later before Libya was attacked.

      • Dallas says:

        There’s a fucking threat release every day.

        This “ooh, an Egyptian intelligence report” is a red herring. Oh please.

  22. McCullough says:

    Should Obama get tough and send in the military or if not will he be perceived as a weak President and risk losing the election? How many more of our military are we willing to feed into this crap so some idiot can spike the football?

    Warmongers among you, your Armed Forces Recruiter is just a phone call away.

    • Dallas says:

      Willard is calling for a full scale military assault.

      Republicans parents should encourage their white boys out of soccer practice and into uniform. Join the blacks and latinos from ‘other side of the RR tracks’.

      Obama needs to spike the ball.

      • McCullough says:

        So you favor war so your President doesn’t lose the election, correct? I suspect so, I just want to get that straight.

        • Dallas says:

          Nope. I like Obama’s measured and use of covert action as he has done.

          We don’t need war but complaining Teapublicans can still do the honorable thing by encouraging their boys to join the service in the name of patriotism.

  23. John says:

    Why would an Christian pastor take a film like that over to a muslim country? Are you stupid? Sometimes you can’t fix stupid or religious zealots.

    • orchidcup says:

      The youtube video is online.

    • NewformatSux says:

      I’m not even sure film is an appropriate term. That is one stupid movie, that has been available for months. The protest is a distraction, and was just a means for the attackers to get people riled up.

  24. bobbo, one true Liberal recognizing Obama is too far Right says:

    Only reading this second page, it strikes me that anti-Mohammed films, videos, cartoons, articles are available to anyone at any time all over the world. For one to cause a riot looks to me to be a PRETEXT for something else. Get all foreigners out of our country is always a legitimate concern of otherwise reasonable Patriotic Revolutionaries. You stick your dick through enough glory holes and eventually you are going to get bit.

    Consider for a moment the mere existence of Israel is a worse affront to all these people ….. in Egypt ….. in Syria ….. in Lebanon ….. all contiguous to Israel.

    ……mere existence of Israel is an affront to these people ….

    Armed and agitated by Hezbolla which is funded and agitated by Iran. Iran has stated Israel should be wiped from the map. Israel is convinced Iran is within a year of getting the Bomb. They already have long range missles, tested and ready to go. Al Quada on Sept 11 attacked…… who? Yes, Al Quada attacked America, not Israel. The Big Satan, not the Little Satan.

    War. Real War McCullough. Not for the purpose of wagging the Dog or Spiking the Football.

    Nothing is true, everything permitted? /// Well, thats in the ballpark. “Nothing is known for sure, anything can happen.” bobbo.

    Maybe I’m too weak willed…. but I would issue the strongest warning possible to Iran to stop their program, allow complete investigation of all sites, or we will bomb their capital and other places into dust on a schedule of our own choosing.

    And thats exactly what I would do, using conventional weapons only, and ground troops only on a limited in/out basis.

    Will this guarantee or prevent anything? Who knows. But you can still act or be passive.

    Its the fate of man.

  25. HMeyers says:

    Here’s a link to this movie that caused everything:

    “Innocence of Muslims”

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ntgzoE7rU9A

    • bobbo, one true Liberal recognizing Obama is too far Right says:

      Ha, ha. So “the riot” was led by film school students?

  26. bobbo, one true Liberal recognizing Obama is too far Right says:

    “Maybe we should think twice when aiding the overthrow of foreign governments….the devil you know kind of thing? Just a thought.” /// You mean continue to support a series of military dictators? Or do you mean do nothing at all for anyone like stop paying Egypt not to attack Israel?

    While I think you mean well, and you do try to be reasonable, IT IS NOT ENOUGH, to vaguely criticize and nay-say actions of anyone/any country UNTIL you can come up with better alternatives.

    Yes, better alternatives in a cess pool of bad choices. Can you deal with reality? Not to be mindlessly negative myself, but some attention should be paid to Hilary Clinton. I don’t like the steady drum beat of what a wonderful job she is doing when basically she is doing nothing but following events===just like most diplomats everywhere. Not a big point. This morning she said “we continue to watch….and not pay attention to what is said, because what they do is more important.”

    Look in the mirror much?

  27. McCullough says:

    Was Ghadaffi bothering us in some way? Please explain why he “had to go”. That should keep you busy for a while. This is exactly why Liberals have lost me, guys like you and Dallas, you’re what I would call Neo-Liberals.

    • NewformatSux says:

      Dallas is not a Neo-Liberal, he merely cheerleads for any actions of the Democratic president. So military action is praised when it is taken, drone bombings when that is done, and covert action when that is done. Restraint is praised when that is done.

      • Dallas says:

        You’re comparing apples and oranges wrt to restraint. One thing is covert action towards justice. Another is a full scale , trillion dollar military response. Make sense?

        Relative to Khadafi … I would have kept him in power but the American way is democracy. Are you against democracy ?

        You guys also talk out of both sides of your ass.

        • Sea Lawyer says:

          It should not be up to us to dictate what forms of government other people live under.

    • Dallas says:

      You’re lost because you can’t associate the relationship between objectives, strategies and tactics.

      To you, removing Khadafi was an objective, a wrong one. In reality, democratic rule for the middle east is the objective. What happened to Khadafi is not even a strategy.

      You must suck at Chess

  28. noname says:

    Muslims need to kill others and themselves proves their fake prophet Muhammad and his god are totally weak!

    An ineffective and weak prophet would make any Islam believer frustrated, angry and self hating.

    Someone should drop a pigs blood balloon on mecca and be done with it!

    • orchidcup says:

      Better yet, accumulate the menstrual blood of millions of women and bomb Mecca with menstrual blood balloons.

      The Holy Places would be defiled for all eternity and the faithful would commit suicide and join the Martyrs in Paradise where there are only virgin girls, apparently.

  29. sargasso_c says:

    My thoughts are with the victims and their families. And when matters are attended to I would like to see the asshole who made the movie appointed ambassador to Iraq.

    • sargasso_c says:

      .. or better, Afghanistan.

      • orchidcup says:

        The asshole who made the movie had a right to make the movie.

        The assholes that killed innocent people because the dead or imaginary prophet Muhhamed was “insulted” do not have a right to go around killing people because they are pissed off about something.

        Get a grip.

        • bobbo, one true Liberal recognizing Obama is too far Right says:

          Orchi, you are on quite a roll here. Good on you. Freedom of Speech should always win over the concern to be “respectful” or whatever sargasso is trying to trump freedom with.

          Sargasso: do you know what “pretext” means? Do you think this attack on 9/11 would not have taken place if this video had not been made or would some other insult have been found? ….. Know what I mean?

          I think the kind of respect you are advocating may be more appropriate individual to individual, real person to real person but is WILDLY just flat wrong when talking culture to culture. …. Know what I mean?


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