A black couple in Crystal Springs, Mississippi says that a predominantly white Baptist church refused to let them get married because of their race.
Charles and Te’Andrea Wilson told WLBT that the day before they were to be married, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Crystal Springs informed them the ceremony would have to be moved due to the reaction of some white church members – even though the couple had attended the church regularly.
“The church congregation had decided no blacks could be married at that church, and that if [the pastor] went on to marry her, then they would vote him out [of] the church,” Charles Wilson explained.
“He had people in the sanctuary that were pitching a fit about us being a black couple,” Te’Andrea Wilson added. “I didn’t like it at all, because I wasn’t brought up to be racist. I was brought up to love and care for everybody…”
Dr. Stan Weatherford, the church’s pastor, was forced to perform the marriage at another church after he was taken by surprise by his congregation’s outrage…
Church officials said they would hold meetings to decide what to do if another non-white couple wanted to use their facility in the future. They insisted that all races were welcome at the church.
These folks in the First Baptist Church of Crystal Springs, Mississippi will be the first to tell you they aren’t racist. They will bore you to tears with chapter and verse of their misbegotten religion, corrupt versions of history and every other rationale invented to stand in the way of the civil rights promised to every American by our Constitution.
They’re still devout racists.
Apparently, Whitey’s is control!
http://jesusonhomosexuality.com/
To those people in Miss, what part of “Love your neighbor as yourself” do you not understand (as cited it the linked site)?
Here is the book edition: http://jesusonhomosexuality.com/Jesus%20on%20Homosexuality%20-%20Laymen%20Edition.pdf
If you believe the book, you must believe The Word has been corrupted by men to further their own prejudices.
What part of We’re, (well mostly you’re) all disgusting and corrupt sinners don’t you understand?
Its a bunch of Baptists in Missis-fuckin’-sipi.
What do you expect? An enlightened attitude?
These cracker honky troglodytes are shuffling along dragging their knuckles in the dirt.
You know what they call an unwed mother? Names!
I’m not surprised that they wouldn’t marry a couple of people who’d only sin was not being born right, read white.
Yawn.
Fortunately, gay weddings are permitted on weekdays.
As long as they are white.
And Southern Baptist.
And both in the golf club
Now, there’s no reason to bring golf into it, no reason at all…
It’s Mississippi!
They didn’t ratify the 13th amendment until 1995 for God’s sake!
And because of a paperwork snafu, it still isn’t on the books.
Why any black would continue to live there is beyond me. Spite, I guess. My parents lived there for a spell and got the Hell out as soon as they were able.
You know why Alabama and Tennessee are grateful for Mississippi ?
Exactly!
As usual, coincident events emerge at similar time. This is in the root the same issue as Chick-a-restaurant and gun control and…: what is more important individual (and institutional) freedom for all, no matter how good, bad or disgusting or some general collective benefit. The roots of USA are in the first. Because individual freedoms are treated as more dear than any consequences and it is left to good people of the society to out-do bad ones to have progress. Progressives however seek these events far and wide to underline and use for their own ideology sake: how dare some private institution not do what is “generally accepted”, let’s burn them… Latter ends in thought police. No thanks.
In this particular case, good people should not go to that church and should embrace the couple and help raise their spirits. Of their own free will. Not by bureaucratic police state mandate.
Look at some of these polling results from Mississippi. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/mississippi-voters-on-a-variety-of-topics.html#more
Notice how the preacher still performed the wedding ceremony and helped them change venues. The preacher did what was right. It was the congregation that was the bigots. I don’t know if that can be attributed to lack of teaching on the preacher’s part or just plain ignorance of the congregation.
Also note that Baptist churches are ruled by the congregation, so the preacher is just an employee. As far as being overruled, the worse that can happen is they get kicked out of whatever Baptist convention they are a part of and have to be an independent Baptist church.
If I were a member there, I would probably try to find a different church to attend. What the congregation did there is wrong.
Yes, but the Pastor is not leading the congregation by having the wedding, he’s submitting to them by moving the wedding, and now they think they’re right in being racist. That is why the pastor failed. He’s worried more about keeping his job than doing his job. Unless he’s racist, in which case he doesn’t know God at all….
Sheesh. He did his job the only way he could. Do you live up on a mountain or something? He is probably already fired so what would he have to do for you to prove he is not racist?
You DID read Benjamin’s entry, right? Baptist churches have the congregations lead. Seems to me the solution here would be to join another church; where the pastor is in charge. Those Baptist churches are fickle no matter where you go.
Baptist churches are not fickle. They are independent of each other no matter what words are on the sign.
Christ is the head of the church and He is in charge. However humans do have to run the church and they don’t always do the right thing. Therefore, you don’t want the pastor to run things because the pastor is only responsible for spiritual matters like preaching, visiting the sick in hospitals and that type of stuff. The books and deciding salaries and budgets are done by the congregation.
Most Baptist churches have bylaws where they explain how they believe certain doctrines from the Bible. Being racist isn’t part of that.
My friend, who is black, got married in a predominately white Baptist church, so not all Baptist churches are like the one in the article. It was even an interracial marriage, not that interracial marriages should even raise an eyebrow in this day of age.
One also has to ask, what is the motivation for doing this. Marriage strengthens the black family and most of the stereotypical black problems don’t happen when blacks are married. God wants black people to be married. Conservatives want black people to be married.
This is a Mississippi thing and not a Baptist thing.
If you are a Christian there are two kinds of people; those that are saved and those that are lost. The people responsible for this are going to have a very hard time explaining to the boss that while he loved everybody enough to die an agonizing death for them they don’t.
I suspect they would be too shocked at finding out Jesus was Jewish to say anything
We hell I thought he was Mexican, I mean come on with a name like Jesus, he had to be some kind of latin american, or at least southern california.
hhmm i bet the wedding date coincided with with the annual molestation fest….
Baptist not Catholic.
Gee Whiz–where is wallaway when you need him? All that praying, and when it comes time to make a difference – no where around.
Douch-anal for some reason says:
7/29/2012 at 2:47 pm
As usual, coincident events emerge at similar time. /// No “usual” about it, its definitional. A tautology in fact.
This is in the root the same issue as Chick-a-restaurant and gun control and…: what is more important individual (and institutional) freedom for all, no matter how good, bad or disgusting or some general collective benefit. /// Now, THIS is really deep. I’ve read it about 5 times now. Individual good/bad vs the collective good/bad: you say the individual good is better than the collective good? Or that the collective good is NOT as good as the individual bad? Read it 7 times now, and its still not clear. Who exactly are the individuals and the groups in this or the other coincidental issues? I can go in 15 different directions on each example. This kind of ambiguity is like Amways Pyramid Scheme==getting in at the righteous start and then speaking in tongues. חרא קדוש
The roots of USA are in the first. Because individual freedoms are treated as more dear than any consequences and it is left to good people of the society to out-do bad ones to have progress. /// So…. why revolt to form a society/government/country. See any definitional challenges here?
Progressives ((HAW HAW!!!–Douche got tired thinking and said Progressive. ….. So close.))
however seek these events far and wide to underline and use for their own ideology sake: how dare some private institution not do what is “generally accepted”, let’s burn them… Latter ends in thought police. No thanks. /// So… your alternative is no laws, no constitutional rights==just everybody doing whatever they individually think is right??? Is that your considered opinion Buckie?????? Ha, ha. So retarded.
In this particular case, good people should not go to that church and should embrace the couple and help raise their spirits. Of their own free will. /// Ok, I agree. But since the majority of the congregation didn’t do that, what response do you think is warranted? How about desegregation 50 years ago==just let some local group block the school house door thereby keeping Blacks from their legally mandated and due education. Just wait for good people to come forward???
Not by bureaucratic police state mandate. /// What a shit head you are Douch-Anal. Here you have a perfectly good example of groups of people acting like turd buckets and you recommend it as social policy. How long would any society even function without rules?….. tick tock. Just what color is the sky in that stupid hole you and Liberty Lover have dug for yourself?
Retarded. Even Silly Hoomans have more sense.
Civil Rights? Constitution? Don’t make me laugh.
Whatever, they are gone my friend.
This is not news this is nothing new for Mississippi.
No Lutheran churches in Mississippi?
Another Christian controversy. No surprise.
Christians fight about everything. There is never any peace.
This has been a long day. I have rearranged the entire universe several times to answer the prayers of egotistical humans that expect me to treat them as special beings.
This is supposed to be my day of rest. I can’t even get a day off, and I run everything.
There is 40 minutes left in the day. I should be entitled to at least 40 minutes of rest.
I am out of here. Take care of this problem yourselves.
Anyone with half an IQ (which leaves out half the commentators here at DU) would see that Charles Wilson and the author of this article are race baiting.
(Eideard is himself a psychopath who loves to search out stuff like this for his own jollies. Don’t expect any critical analysis from him).
“Regularly attended”. What does that mean? He attended church “regularly” each Christmas and Easter?
Or maybe they were not welcome at the church because they were a couple of loons who decided to make the church a target of unfounded accusations?
Just another race bait to prove a point, and Eideard hate mongering again – as usual.
The only thing is, I can assure you that there are many black churches here that wouldn’t allow white folks to get married at their church. That doesn’t make any of this okay, not by any means, but you do find just as much racism from blacks towards whites here in Mississippi, it’s just never reported on.
Nevertheless, regardless of what everyone (clearly) thinks, we aren’t beating blacks in the streets down here or burning down black churches on the regular. This is just an isolated incident. It could happen elsewhere, and I bet it has.
Its a bunch of semi-simians who believe in some guy up in the sky.
Who cares?
Just keep them away from the women folk and the whole mess is a non-issue in one generation.
hmm, now msb iscalling a black couple semi-simian.
You’re a nut. The story linked says nothing about any other reason for denying the marriage. The qoute you are referring to means future black couples. Try reading the orginal story… even the pastor says it was racism.
If you don’t believe that members in a Baptist church in the south might be racist, then you’ve never been to one.
Amen.
So if future black couples would have no problem at this church, then where is the racism? Did they force out all the racists who caused the problem this time, or was it maybe a different issue?
Effing apologist! Every news report I see have even the church members saying it’s racism. But with absolutely no proof, you attack the black couple. You must be a Republican strategist.
No Justice / No Peace!!
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It is the same everywhere.
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God – please protect us from your followers!
You are on your own.
I stopped mediating conflicts more than 100,000 solar cycles ago.
God do not dwell in that church.
You are correct.
So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.
Joel 3:17
What’s more impressive is how liberals have a knee jerk reaction over an existential example of bad people who happen to be associated with a religion and somehow imply that the bad behavior is somehow the norm for that religion.
How many doctors, lawyers, engineers, or teachers attend that church? I guess those professions also breed racism? LOL.
I suppose one is left to conclude that Atheism has no racists? 🙂 And if one should happen to find one, then that OBVIOUSLY puts a huge black eye on Atheism. Like what is so astutely and “logically” pointed out about some “Baptist” church down South.
Strange how people see what they want to see when they have a bone to pick with something that disagrees with them philosophically. 🙂
Guyver bored at work and with his head down says:
7/30/2012 at 9:50 am
What’s more impressive is how liberals have a knee jerk reaction over an existential example of bad people who happen to be associated with a religion and somehow imply that the bad behavior is somehow the norm for that religion. //// Who said that? How do you know they are liberals, or atheists, or anything else? Do you define “liberal” as anyone who criticizes the action of a church?
How many doctors, lawyers, engineers, or teachers attend that church? I guess those professions also breed racism? LOL. /// In rural Mississippi? Not too many.
I suppose one is left to conclude that Atheism has no racists? // One of YOU maybe just to have a straw man to argue against.
🙂 And if one should happen to find one, then that OBVIOUSLY puts a huge black eye on Atheism. /// How so? Atheism doesn’t hold itself out as loving one another as a central tenant, for their very reason for being.
Like what is so astutely and “logically” pointed out about some “Baptist” church down South.
Strange how people see what they want to see when they have a bone to pick with something that disagrees with them philosophically. 🙂 /// Yeah–because if a liberal atheist sees racial bigotry in any other association of people, they/we/me would never point that evil out. or worse when its hypocrisy too, or just to also NOT see what we don’t want to see about our own bones sticking out for all to see.
Guyver–why do you hate liberal atheists who hate rural hypocritical conservative religious groups if thats what it turns out they are? Will any hate wagon do or do you favor one group over another or just he last one to self identify??
Ha, ha. bored at work. How sad.
Every time the statistics are published, the politicians in all the other low-end states are often heard to mutter “Thank God for Mississippi!”
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Proverbs 16:4
Quran
9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
9:30 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
9:31 They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One God. There is no God save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!
Sounds to me like the pastor feared his congregation more than he feared God…He’s supposed to be a shepherd, not a sheep. Talk about not practicing what you preach.
Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment.
Numbers 16:21
You guys are misreading this entirely. The dude is doing this simply because he has an eye for politics in the near future. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this because when you runs or even campaign as a politician he’ll need religious. So to appease the many in the country/city, he’s doing what is necessary to gain popular vote. Even if you’re an Atheist once you enter politics you’re doom to believe the fairies…ops, Druidic..ops..Christian ways.
You are not doomed to believe, you are doomed to lie about believing.
Jesus H. Roosevelt Christ on a pogo stick!
It’s their church, and if they are crazy enough to go there in the first place, they should be allowed the freedom to be racist in their own house. Hopefully, they will inbreed out of existence before long.
As for the pastor, good for him. Perhaps now he can move someplace decent!
sp–that is an excellent thought … but … while I agree they have the right to be racists, they really don’t have the right to be racists while holding out to the world that they are all loving and open to all of gods children.
course as stated, this case isn’t about the couples race, but about other things
… like how the media has their own agenda.
and stuff like that—if its true.
…and its always a mix of everything.
Discriminating against someone because of their skin color is retarded. Discriminating against someone because they think it’s OK to tell people not to drive 4x4s is highly encouraged.
Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.
Matthew 10:34-36