Why is Florida always at the forefront of screwing with elections? Other states are jealous.
Florida Governor Rick Scott (R) has ordered the state to purge all “non-citizens” from the voting rolls prior to November’s election. But that list compiled by the Scott administration is so riddled with errors that, in Miami-Dade County alone, hundreds of U.S. citizens are being told they are ineligible to vote.
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– 1638 people in Miami-Dade County were flagged by the state as “non-citizens” and sent letters informing them that they were ineligible to vote.
– Of that group, 359 people have subsquently provided the county with proof of citizenship.
– Another 26 people were identified as U.S. citizens directly by the county.
– The bulk of the remaining 1200 people have simply not responded yet to a letter sent to them by the Supervisor of Elections.
Had this happened weeks before an election, I would cry fowl. If any state has a problem of non-citizens voting in elections, it would be Florida.
IF it’s not a democratically elected government then citizens need not obey it.
The remedy most often used is to send in the anti-government activists to restore democratic institutions.
Allowing a fraudulent vote to be cast is as much of an evil as prohibiting a legitimate voter from casting a vote. In many states, the powers that be enjoy receiving fraudulent votes. They lobby very hard, in the name of “voter empowerment” for procedures that facilitate fraudulent votes. The methods include allowing the same voter to be registered in several counties, allowing non-citizens to register, not purging dead persons from the lists, and the wide use of absentee ballots in a manner that allows the forgers to shield themselves from discovery. Voting is a solemn right, and requiring ID and verification is appropriate. Sending out letters in May to persons that appear to be inappropriate is the way to straighten this out. In this case, Florida is straightening out an election, not the other way around. P.S. The NY Times recounted the ballots in 2000 and came to the conclusion that Bush won by a whisker. No reputable count has come up with any other answer. You may have wanted Al Gore, but Bush winning does not mean the election was stolen. Bob in Winter Haven, FL
Weren’t there 50,000 Jews who voted for Pat Buchanan rather than Algore because of the confusing placement of names on the ballot?
True or not, if you are too dumb to figure out the ballot, maybe you shouldn’t be voting?……
…….and if I were a Dumbo–I’d be spending some time on voter education? Review of published documents including the ballot. Real uninteresting but controlling stuff like that.
Also==think I read in Ohio or some place that 5000 Dumbo’s being taken off the rolls gave the vote to Bush which also would have put Algore over the line.
The pukes are alive and well all over the USA==but most at home and effective in the dumb South. Too bad we can’t kick them out of the Union?
Always laugh at that–red states being so anti-tax when they are net receivers of Federal re-distribution. Just as dumb as rocks they are.
If you’re referring to the infamous “Butterfly ballot” in Palm Beach County, then yes to a point. It wasn’t anywhere near 50,000, it was estimated to be between 4,000-6,600 votes depending on who you listen too. The ballot was designed by Theresa LePore, the Supervisor of Elections, who was a registered Democrat at the time.
Florida was a disaster waiting to happen. I’ve always blamed the voters who were too lazy or stupid to follow the posted voting directions.
Pat Buchanan got 3407 votes in Palm Beach County, so that would be the upper limit of any vote change. He received about 9000 votes in 1996 primary before, so someone could argue the number is 0. His statewide totals suggest about 1000 votes are legit Buchanan votes. And of course having lots of Jews would make an area ripe for anti-Semitism.
Also, you can blame the reform types that are always clamoring for third parties. They made it so easy to get on the ballot that Florida had ten candidates. Ms LaPore wanted to help out her elderly voters who have trouble seeing, so she put in a butterfly ballot.
Thanks Big Boy–Yeah==I should never rely on my memory. 50K was probably some other voter issue, but who knows when or where? for sure, various and all kinds of errors appear to crop up all over the place.
Voters too dumb to correctly enter their preference…. and call the result a mandate.
Lots to think about.
…and to New Format’s issue or tangential==if Ralph Nader had not been on the ballot–Algore would have won easily. Again==and the result was taken as a mandate.
I guess you have to claim “the international world tourist” seeing you stereotyped so many groups. Regarding education being the remedy, you need to see how the ballots are altered and designed to realize that the navigation and layout can confuse even a well educated person.
It is unlikely that *any* roster of voters is not replete with error. To imply otherwise would be naive. It is equally absurd to accept that the Miami-Dade county has the *correct* list. Instead of complaining about each sides analyses of who should or should not be on the voter rolls, it might be more helpful to get a better approximation of actual real voters in the system, than to say one side is wrong or partisan.
So how many are known to have cast ballots in the past?
With cheap digital cameras, perhaps the answer is anyone who doesn’t have ID, should be allowed to cast a provisional ballot, and then have their picture taken. They can put the pictures up on a site for a few weeks, and invite the public to find anyone cheating.
It’s good they are checking. Accuracy is a good thing. Now, if we could just bring E-Very into law this wouldn’t be a problem. But we all know that E-Very is being held up by Republicans in the House. They aren’t American patriots enough to send it through.
Hmmm,
1,638 people flagged by the state as “non-citizens”.
350 proved they are citizens.
The bulk of the remaining 1,200 people have simply not responded yet.
So what’s the problem?
Does anyone think the dead will respond?
Or they may think it will keep them off jury duty.
Well, you’ve heard of the zombie bankers, just wait………….
Well that’s 1200 people who are happy that won’t get called for jury duty any more.
My stepfather was summoned for jury duty 3-years after his death…
But did he show up?
No, the jury was deadlocked
Jury duty doesn’t come from voter rolls.
From North Carolina:
“At least every two years, a Master Jury List is prepared in each county, using the lists of registered voters and licensed drivers. For each week of court, citizens’ names are randomly selected from the Master Jury List, and jury summons are issued for those whose names are drawn.”
Note the and. It is possible I’ve got this wrong. I need to check. I was basing it on that I was called for jury duty in college. Perhaps someone registered in my name, and voted on my behalf?
Jeb Bush’s legacy all over again. I wouldn’t be suprised that the ones deemed as non citizens are black/hispanic or white Democrats who voted for Obama during the last election.
You got that right!
Well, at least your country has elected representatives who are citizens. We recently had a case here in NZ of a Chinese national getting into parliament under a mixed membership proportional representation ticket.
That is part of why I would do away with the election process, where corporate backed self-anointed non-representative members of the millionaires club are the only choice, and change to a selection process where names are picked at random from a list of eligible citizens and appointed for one and only one term.
Any man who wants to be president is either an egomaniac or crazy.
–Dwight D. Eisenhower
This is total bull crap. You can’t tell me that come Nov. 4th there still won’t be ball box stuffing. Probably by the Republicans. Or some fancy new voting machine won’t have problems letting the Democrats vote.
This is why you shouldn’t participate in any pre-election polls. If they can’t figure out which way your going to vote. They’ll be less likely to declare you a non-citizen by “accident”.
No big deal. It’s probably mostly Democrats anyway…………
Florida serves up the finest ‘stupid’ in the world for our entertainment. Best bang for the buck EVER.
Please continue to encourage them to continue, as if you could get them to stop.
It’s the other states who are wacky for allowing noncitizens to vote.
The governor looks like a Neo-Nazi Skinhead.
I wonder if he is Greek.
“Power is the prerequisite to earth and soil. We can see that today. Even the sorrowful effort to adjust the population to the available territory by encouraging the emigration of new generations requires power, even more today as states hermetically seal themselves from the immigration of uncomfortable elements.
The more economic difficulties increase, the more immigration will be seen as a burden. The so-called workers’ states seal themselves off more than others as a way of building a protective wall against cheap labor. The newcomer after all must be either cheaper or better. Here, too, one comes to the conclusion that maintaining this way of supporting the population requires power.
When we examine the concept of power more closely, we see that power has three factors: First, in the numerical size of the population itself. This form of power is no longer present in Germany.”
— Adolph Hitler
The Florida gripe is just a strawman argument.
Liberals just love to keep bringing up Florida (as though Tennessee or Arkansas who voted for Bush Jr instead of Gore wouldn’t have mattered).
But sure, it’s all Florida’s fault because Florida’s tally was last and Gore couldn’t carry his own state or Clinton’s.
Turns out some of the noncitizens had voted! At least 100 from just the partial list for Dade County.
I suspect the Left will drop this line of attack a bit. It is useful for working up their supporters, but as an actual policy, they won’t care. This is because the results from the article show that the parties split down the middle on non-citizen voting. So the Left in power will probably let the policy continue, just like Guantanamo Bay, rendition, kill list, etc. They will keep attacking it to get their side in a frenzy only.
Policies the Left will continue to oppose are felon voting, as felons are 3-1 Democrat. Also, having workers decide whether they will join a union and pay dues, is a major problem for the Left. After Wisconsin’s reforms, union membership has dropped by half. Thirty thousand workers decided they did not want to hand over money to a union, and would rather keep it themselves. isn’t freedom great?
On the issue of BushtheRetard having won the Florida vote on the fair and square after extensive private recounts: Rachel Madow just did a segment on the purging of felons from the voting rolls in the 2000 election. Seems 170,000 voters were purged claiming they were felons. Most purged were blacks who voted 90% for Algore. There were many errors.
How many errors? Who knows. BushtheRetard “won” Florida by 573 votes. Was this Republican Illegal activity reviewed in the private count? Regardless, Bush treated it as a mandate.
……and the same “trick” is going on right now with the trick of claiming long time voters of a Dumbo demographic (ethnic, young, old, women) being purged for lack of citizenship. Seems quite a few have USA Passports. A data base that is easy to check.
Corrupt from top to bottom – – as are their policy positions.
Yea, verily. Floriduh.
Yea, there are all sorts of claims about Florida. Including that there were police roadblocks to keep black people from voting. True story ends up quite different.
The article shows that in this case, it’s not Dems being purged from the rolls. The people who voted illegally were split equally between the two parties.