Undeterred by documentary evidence and repeated judicial rejection, a group of conspiracy theorists who say President Obama was born in Africa have sued the California secretary of state to demand that she verify the eligibility of all presidential candidates before putting them on the November ballot…
The lawsuit filed by Republican primary write-in candidate John Albert Dummett Jr., Markham Robinson of the American Independent Party of California and five others also alludes to “questions concerning the eligibility” of Mitt Romney to vie for the role of commander in chief. The birthers’ lawyer, Gary Kreep of Ramona, said Wednesday that his clients wanted the issue of Romney’s eligibility raised because of his parents’ long residency in Mexico…
The suit asks the court to order California Secretary of State Debra Bowen to verify the eligibility of all candidates before placing their names on state ballots, including those nominated by the two major parties that have traditionally attested to the eligibility of their nominees…
Kreep, who heads a group calling itself the United States Justice Foundation, was also the attorney who brought the 2009 suit against Obama by the Rev. Wiley S. Drake, a Buena Park minister who once called on his First Southern Baptist Church flock to pray for Obama’s death…
True to the breed, no judicial response will satisfy their dementia other than agreement. A consistency we expect from nutballs.
Using the system to make sure requirements are met. I see nothing wrong with this at all.
Yeah, check their Birth Certificates and GIVE THEM A TEST ON THE CONSTITUTION !!! Let’s see if ANY OF THE REPUKES KNOW HOW THE GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK !!! That should DISQUALIFY MOST OF THE NUT JOBS AND RELIGIOUS WHACKOS !!!
Actually, I see a lot wrong with this. There is nothing in the law that says you can’t run for president without being a natural born citizen. If you win the election, you might not be able to serve, but you can run.
Besides, their lawyer is a creep I mean Kreep.
Nothing in the law has said what natural born citizen means.
Natural Born: No Drugs, in a hot-tub, with a midwife present.
So far, the funny part of the discussion is libertarians against government – who therefore indict the government. And, then there are, libertarians who approve – under the circumstances of government oversight – therefore it’s the “system” not the government.
Har.
Is he really a nutball if he thinks a President that encourages illegal immigration and forgives all immigrants who enter US illegally of their crimes? He even has a Presidential decree that effectively awards amnesty to them. Why would a patriotic citizen not think something was up? 8 million jobs are lost to these foreign speaking pricks and Obama forgives them! Under these circumstances, it’s easy to assume that the reason Obama took so long to come up with a birth certificate was to get a good one fabricated. Do you realize that Obama cannot pass the E-Verify check? Yes, something is wrong.
Could you please post the link to a copy of this presidential decree and the data that shows the president is encouraging illegal immigration?
I believe it is a memo Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Morton issued.
Exercising Prosecutorial Discretion Consistent with the Civil Immigration Enforcement Priorities of the Agency for the Apprehension,Detention,and Removal of Aliens.
http://tinyurl.com/3w4865p
To the best of my knowledge Obama has never issued an Executive Order concerning immigration.
Yes, nevermind that Obama is deporting at record levels.
Or is drilling oil. Or is not confiscating guns. Or is clearly a Christian. Or favors the capitalists. Or isn’t taking over the healthcare system. Or…
Yes Obama is totally just letting anyone stay in the country. Except for the record number of people he deported: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/18/news/la-pn-deportation-ice-20111018
Anyone who believes Obama is legitimate suffers from an acute case of rectal / cranial inversion. Even more disturbing is the belief that there is any practical difference between Republicans and Democrats, especially while occupying the White House. Since being president, Obama hasn’t changed a thing from the former administration (like he promised). In fact, he has not only continued those policies, but made them worse. He’s a liar and a fraud, just like his predecessors.
He got us out of Iraq.
That’s a “thing”. I really really big thing.
Oh, and he also saved us from a Second Great Depression.
That’s a pretty big “thing” too.
Sheesh!
He is getting us out of Afghanistan and Pakistan too.
That’s a pretty big “thing” too, about as big as a drone with a hellfire missile.
> He got us out of Iraq.
You mean he enacted the plan for a withdrawal put into place by Bush.
> Oh, and he also saved us from a Second Great Depression.
Don’t buy it. The jury is out on whether things would have been worse over the long haul or would have corrected themselves. We won’t know for another decade or so if his bailouts, over the long term, were a good idea. You see, we’re still paying the debt he racked up in the automaker bailout and stimulus bill.
What he did do is legitimize moral hazard if you make enough money.
Yes. His opponent, on the other hand, ran on the idea of no withdrawal, for the foreseeable future.
I think most Americans have always believed that somebody officially checks that candidates on the ballot are actually eligible but we are slowly learning nothing in our government is operating legally. Obama’s recent Executive order is as Un-American and Unconstitutional as anything I can imagine. It seems to me he has turned America into a totalitarian state with the stroke of his pen and made us all slaves. The congress and supreme court are out of the loop and the president will be our only government and nobody will have any power to stop him from his program of eternal war and enslavement.
I have come to the realization that engaging”Birthers ” in a discussion is totally useless. That you respond to their inane arguments only reinforces their believe that they are right. No facts can dissuade them, no arguments sway them. It is a religion to them and having their religion challenged and shown false only makes them a martyr in their own mind.
Maybe, but its still fun to poke the pig with a stick and make him squeal.
Good lord, the loons are swarming. It must be the unusally warm winter.
I give these goofballs credit for at least being consistent.
It drove me crazy that these racists demanded Obama’s birth certificate (who was clearly born in the US) but didn’t demand John McCain’s (who was clearly born in a foreign country.)
Im waiting for them to add the word WHITE/ANGLO/.. to the list..
IF you really THINK hard..NONE OF YOU WHITE FOLKS are from this country…GO HOME..
charleymount raising a non specific point of rhetoric says:
3/22/2012 at 10:01 am
So far, the funny part of the discussion is libertarians against government – who therefore indict the government. And, then there are, libertarians who approve – under the circumstances of government oversight – therefore it’s the “system” not the government.
Har. //// I and a flaming liberal, and a proper libertarian, and I approve of this action and I did characterize this as using “the system.” Has a subconscious bias of some sort entered into my analysis of governmental action? If so, what pros and cons does such differentiation make?
Did I “consider” using government and change it to system?=No. I think “maybe” it was to avoid using any term in a sentence/paragraph more than once==something I was taught not to do. So, there is a “form” question in my mind, but it goes to good writing, not good thinking.
But, still fun to recognize I might demonstrate this bias. Not all the time of course, but often enough to point it out.
Well done. There certainly is not in substance any difference between the two terms here as the system at issue is the government.
Birthers…hmmm…. isn’t that a classification for female breeding squirrels in some dystopian totalitarian doomsday novel?
Ah yes, doomsday novels! A few of my favorites:
Day of the Triffids
Earth Abides
A Canticle for Leibowitz
Farnham’s Freehold
Lucifer’s Hammer
I’ve read two on that list. Earth Abides and Lucifer’s Hammer, both great. Heard good things about “A Canticle for Liebowitz”. So now I feel justified in spending some of my precious “one life” seconds in reading the three on your list I haven’t read. Thanks for the tip. Always looking for good reading.
Do yourself a favor and put Canticle at the end of your reading list unless you enjoy reading about Catholics searching for their lost faith- – -boring crap just like most things religious are. But it is post apocalyptical.
So many books, so little time. I used to enjoy reading the books movies were based on “IF” the book was in print a few years before the movie was made.
Or maybe just read all of Philip K Dick? And what must be every bit as good: Elmore Lenard?
Waaaaay too many good books.
Obama’s mom was an American. That makes him an American, regardless of where he was born. Right? Or is there some secret I am missing here.
I agree the Obama birth certificate .pdf file is shitty.
Let’s say that .pdf file is illegitimate, his mom was still an American right?
Yes, you are missing the issue. Its not enough to be “an American” to qualify for Preznedent. You must be naturally born as well which is very convoluted. What makes ObamaGod qualified is he was born in Hawaii.
The convolutions surrounding what if he was born in Kenya are fun to read thru though: once.
Strangely enough, its not like being Jewish (it doesn’t matter if your dad was the town rabbi, if your mother was a shiksa you’re not jewish.)
That get us into something called universality of hegemony which is not happening.
Imagine being able to select the best services (while paying the costs for them,) from any state on the planet regardless of where you actually live.
Most of the world would choose to be governed by somewhere with at least minimal health benefits.
Most of the world would choose to be governed by somewhere with the most liberal drug laws.
Most of the world would choose to be governed by somewhere with the best retirement benefits.
Welcome to Sweden.
Too bad about the whole blond hair, blue eyes, pale nordic complexion thing…
Standard rant #1…
If we chose our officials out of list of eligible citizens, rather than the self-selecting rich-bitch 1%er sausage fest we have now, all of this shit would just disappear.
You’d be able to stare glassy-eyed at your mass-media without having your unreality show interrupted by ignoring some lying asshole shoveling shit about some other lying asshole, all for the benefit of some megaconglomocorp or other.
Personally I catch everything off of the web so I don’t give a fuck. I gave up on TV when the switchover to digital signals happened, I just tossed out my fuzzy 13″ analog set and didn’t replace it.
GO HOME WHITE BREAD…
I’m amazed that after Obama’s paternal grandmother said she was there when he was born in Kenya and his maternal grandmother said, well she’s not talking anymore, and after the production of a postscript file and some flummery with Donald Trump and the unanimous insistence of the main stream media that “it’s settled” that many of you are naive enough to believe that it is settled.
Some of you are slow learners, but many of you lack the courage to be right when the mob is wrong.
I scorn you.
And furthermore; if there is a better explanation for the gulf between candidate Obama and President Obama than MKULTRA I’d like too hear it. It is obvious to me that neither candidate Obama nor President Obama suspects the existence of the other. How else could they not be mortified?
So there!
Forget birth certificates, Lefty favorite Elizabeth Warren called Obama unevolved.
“What’s sauce for the goose….”, eh? Yes the Republicans did swing wide the door for questioning everything about even their own candidates, by using it (or allowing its use) to be applied to their rival party. Now, can they put the genie back into the bottle. And convince the American voters, not to disrespectfully question the GOP’s selection of a Presidential figurehead candidate?
They did managed to keep the same issue of birth from applying to John McCain, back in 2008. He was born in Panama, in the canal zone, on a US military reservation. So apparently that was ok, because being a military brat always makes it ok. Wherever it may be in the world. Even if he did spend most of his youth growing up in foreign lands. It was always on an American military base. So even if he was born on Mars, it would still make him a legal American, as long as it was a military base. Which it would likely be, being financed by taxpayers’ dollars.
I think this “birther” issue is likely just a smoke screen, to divert our attention from asking more important and potentially embarrassing questions of Romney’s character. You can be sure the birth cert. will be easily forthcoming. But the press will “run with” it, for a time. So they don’t have to run with anything else, they’d rather not run with. But at the same time, it could just all be part of the GOPs plan to lose against Obama. Without appearing as if they had planned to, all along. I’m still not convinced they really want to take over the “hot potato” that is the economic mess that their George Bush left behind. Better to give Obama four more years to try straightening it out, before they come back to take the credit for it in 2016. Do you really believe Clinton got another four years, because he was soooo popular that the GOP couldn’t find anyone better to unseat him? Let’s face it. Lil’ Georgy Bush Jr, just wasn’t ready to play yet.
Even if Obama were born in Kenya, it wouldn’t matter. The whole issue is that in the year of his birth, the rules of the time did not automatically qualify him for citizenship, and only because of his mother’s age. So if he had been born in a different year, or his mother given birth a little older, then there is no problem. This is too fine a detail to matter for natural born status.
The real issue is probably there is some lies being told about his autobiography he wishes to keep secret. It is known that his mother was taking classes in Seattle within weeks of his birth. So the life in Hawaii for 2 years with his father is probably a lie. Perhaps also that his parents was a romance made in America. Perhaps it was just a marriage of convenience so Mr Obama could maintain his immigration status.
The point of the requirement for President is to prevent a person with sympathies for another nation, because of origin, from attaining the office.
Well, the one thing that should have come out of this whole nonsensical episode, but probably never will, is a definitive ruling on what “natural born” means. Does it mean strictly that you are born within the borders of the United States, or that you can just be born anywhere in the world, as long as your parents are citizens, and move back in your 20’s and decide you want to be president some day? I would think the intent of the requirement would dictate the something close to the former.
The bottom line is that birthers want us to simultaneously believe that there was a decades-long effort involving multiple states and government agencies and news organizations to fake Obama’s origin and put him in the White House, and yet believe that liberals can’t get anything done.
John Dummett, GOP Candidate for President has filed CONSTITUTIONAL lawsuits in several state. The Defendants are NOT OBAMA. They are the DNC, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Debbie Wasserman Schults..those responsible for sending their nominee to the SoS for placement on the ballot. John’s lawsuits, called Dummett’s Dictum DICTATES to the defendants, “prove your candidate is Constitutionally eligible with valid documentation, or you are enjoined from placing that name on the ballot”. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHERE OBAMA WAS BORN. HIS BC, SSA, SSN, NONE OF THAT ‘BIRTHER’ STUFF IS IN HIS LAWSUITS, IT IS NOT A BIRTHER/CRIMINAL LAWSUIT! SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! Obama wrote in his book, and it shows on the BC that he released April 27, 2011, his father was a Kenyan British Citizen which, under British law, made Obama a British Citizen at birth. There is an age requirement for a mother to convey her citizenship, and Dunham was not old enough to do so, but HAD SHE BEEN, by US law, Obama would have been born a DUAL citizen. Neither of these meets the Constitutional requirement of Natural Born Citizen, which, in a Supreme Court RULING in Minor vs Happersett, natural born citizen is defined as being born in the country to 2 citizen parents of the country. John Dummett’s Dictum in AZ, NH, DC, TN, and GA DICTATE to the JUDGE of these courts, to REAFFIRM this Supreme Court RULING to try to make people understand there is a difference between a CITIZEN and a NATURAL born citizen.
The reason the Dummett’s Dictum in California made Debra Bowen the defendant, to prove candidates are eligible, is because a precedent has been set in California in the past with the Secretary of State, including Bowen herself, removing OTHER candidates from the ballot for not meeting the Constitutional requirements. So, Bowen cannot say she does not have the authority or power to remove Obama if he doesn’t have valid documents to prove he is natural born.
“California secretaries of state have historically exercised their due diligence by reviewing necessary background documents, verifying that the candidates that were submitted by the respective political parties as eligible for the ballot were, indeed, eligible. In 1968, the Peace and Freedom Party submitted the name of Eldridge Cleaver as a qualified candidate for president of the United States. The then-Secretary of State, Mr. Frank Jordan, found that, according to Mr. Cleaver’s birth certificate, he would be only 34 years old at the time of the general election, one year shy of the 35 years of age needed to be on the ballot as a candidate for president,” the complaint said.
“Using his administrative powers, Mr. Jordan removed Mr. Cleaver from the ballot. Mr. Cleaver, unsuccessfully, challenged this decision lo the Supreme Court of the State of California, and, later, to the Supreme Court of the United States, which affirmed the actions of the California Secretary of State by denying review.
Similarly, in 1984 Peace and Freedom Party candidate Larry Holmes was removed from the ballot when the “then-California Secretary of State, Daniel M. Burns, checked Mr. Holmes’ eligibility, it was found that Mr. Holmes was, similarly, not eligible, and Mr. Holmes was removed from the ballot.”
John Dummett is looking into having news organizations sued for libel and slander for not getting their facts straight, so you might want to consider making some corrections and apologies in your next article.
LOL, crazy birther.
Crazy obot. Always attack the messenger. You are NEVER able to come back with any substantiated claims of what you think. You are unable to debate. You are unable to refute any facts. No rebuttle. No links, no references. Just attack, attack, attack out of ignorance and an inability to accept TRUTH if it runs negatively to what you have been brainwashed to believe. You obots are SO pathetic!! I hope you have some form of conveyance that you might be able to visit with the man with no valid ID, whoever he is, that has usurped the office of POTUS, when he is incarcerated for the rest of his life.
Why debate crazy people? When you win you just beat a crazy person. That’s like beating your dog at chess.
By the way, didn’t vote for Obama.
Every nation on the planet requires candidate eligibility to have 2 citizen parents ….. except America????????????????????????????
Romney-Santorum-eligibility problem re/Constitution.
WHY are American handed ineligibles? WHY are Americans tolerating ineligible candidates?
Gingrich and Paul are the only eligible candidates re/constitutional requirement to be NATURAL BORN. (2 citizen parents) Politicians have been trying to skirt the law without constitutional amendments! WHY?
Could Mitt Romney be the first Anchor Baby? Mitt Romney’s Mexican father, hmmmmm…….Are the simple minded “BIRTHERS”, going to ask Romney for his birth certificate? For Obama, we all know this was never about a birth certificate, it’s about small minded people who hate African Americans and do not have the brains to review a President’s policy so they make something up.
Lets be clear none of these dullards have won a case in the “U.S. Courts” against Obama, maybe in their simple minds (if they have any) but not in our “U.S. Courts”, so unless Birthers/ teabaggers, whatever you want to be called, win a court case, “We The People” will continue to see as dullards, liars or racist or maybe all three. Deal with that baby!