A group of Russian scientists plumbing the frozen Antarctic in search of a lake buried in ice for tens of millions of years have failed to respond to increasingly anxious U.S. colleagues — and as the days creep by, the fate of the team remains unknown. “No word from the ice for 5 days,” Dr. John Priscu professor of Ecology at Montana State University, told FoxNews.com via email. The team from Russia’s Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute (AARI) have been drilling for weeks in an effort to reach isolated Lake Vostok, a vast, dark body of water hidden 13,000 ft. below the ice sheet’s surface. The lake hasn’t been exposed to air in more than 20 million years.
Priscu said there was no way to get in touch with the team — and the already cold weather is set to plunge, as Antarctica’s summer season ends and winter sets in. “Temps are dropping below -40 Celsius [-40 degrees Fahrenheit] and they have only a week or so left before they have to winterize the station,” he said. “I can only imagine what things must be like at Vostok Station this week.” The team’s disappearance could not come at a worse time: They are about 40 feet from their goal of reaching the body of water, Priscu explained, a goal that the team was unable to meet as they raced the coming winter exactly one year ago.
When the winter arrives in the next few weeks, the temperature can get twice as freezing. Vostok Station boasts the lowest recorded temperature on Earth: -89.4 degrees Celsius (-129 degrees Fahrenheit). If the team does reach the lake water, they will bring its water up through the hole and let it freeze there over the winter. The following year they will be able to start research on what they find, Priscu explained.
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The Thing got them.
God that was a scary movie.
Ditto.
Holy Crap! Does this mean we’ve agreed on TWO things?
Has the team disappeared or has radio contact simply (sic!) been lost? I wonder what the backup systems were? Hard to take out an “entire” team at once regardless of how large/small the team was.
20 Million old water? Was this a scientific or commercial enterprise?
Actually, it very easy to take out a whole team. It all depends how they are located. If they all in the a same build a gas leak to take them out quickly. I doubt the camp is that big. With them being that close to the final goal they may have all grouped together to see the break through and something went wrong.
Could be the radio is unable to function at that temp. A few days ago some weather station in Alaska crapped out when it’s battery wouldn’t function at that temp.
How does the lake remain liquid? It’s a couple of miles down so maybe the earth’s heat keeps it warmer or maybe the pressure of the ice above has raised the melting point. In either case, wouldn’t the ice cap above it be continually melting a little bit thereby contaminating the lake?
Poop. That water’s probably no better than, say, 18 million year old water.
Ooops. In deference to Alfie, maybe we should just assume it’s a 5,000 year old lake.
Fox News : “..-40 Celsius [-40 degrees Fahrenheit] ..”
Yet another indicator of the relationship between Conservatism and Stupid.
Dallas:
Are you implying that -40C is not -40F? You might want to reconsider who is stupid–
Careful, Dullass: -40 is where the two scales match up…
Ouch , I goofed that one up. I had a conservative moment!
Ha, ha. Good one.
Since we have segued onto being stupid==this pro conservative class warfare ad is very clever. Trend line arguments are easy to parse, but still make a very powerful argument. Even conservatives are right about as often as C = F?
http://youtube.com/watch_popup?v=xOAgT8L_BqQ&feature=player_embedded
The science oddity of the day. Learn something cool every day.
AND—they were -40 feet from their goal.
Fickle finger of Fate award surely has been grabbed by Dallas today. We both already are blaming Bush but Pedro will set us straight with his -40 IQ.
Everyone has his moment. Maybe I’d say so out of hand if I haven’t lived through -40C/F and remembered it… Here is the image (number 20 of the pictures on the page) of the exact moment when I saw -40C and -40F matching on thermometer and realized/remembered that trivia:
http://www.maletic.org/photography/alaska/
🙂
Nice group of pics there dusanmal, good memories. I flew into Alaska for a few years. All my memories are of a Topless Lounge, a Mexican Food Restaurant, and things freezing or being covered by ice. I don’t see any thermometers around that HUGE campfire. Ironic you have to heat them up to get them to work?
One time we were advised not to leave the aircraft as there were wolves on the runway. That was kind of fun. They leave you alone unless they are very hungry.
We drove to Denali but didn’t have the time to stay there. I’ve still got things left to do anywhere in the world I might want to go back to.
Good times.
It got down to -40 when I was in Palmer a few years back. Never got above -30 the whole time I was there, in fact (2 weeks.)
Makes life interesting.
Pure coincidence: a “Non-Sequitur” cartoon that might be on point?
http://wpcomics.washingtonpost.com/client/wpc/nq/
Jetfire. Thank you. “All” together asleep I assume and a gas leak? Yea, I could see that. Or a single polar bear breaks in destroying the front door, the radio, and 2-3 people. The rest dying in a few hours from the cold. Absent very bad luck, either “protocol” was broken, or the protcols were not up to snuff–so to speak.
I think that pervasive cold is like sailing a boat or doing anything else on the ocean, or flying, and so forth: not particularly “dangerous” in a sense but rather completely unforgiving of any mistakes? Subtle, whatever that distinction is?
Sorry, but there are no polar bears on Antarctica. Perhaps it was a 40 foot tall electric penguin with tentacles. Nudge nudge, wink wink.
Gee Whiz==youse guys wid that access to the Discovery Channel really enjoy lording it over us Over the Air types.
OK, OK, OK, Ok, Ok, ok, ok—–if not Polar Bears ((why name them THAT if they aren’t at both Poles?==very misleading!!) then really any kind of animal big enough to do that kind of damage.
Elephants, Gorilla, Water Buffaloes==whatever. The details don’t really matter. But SOMETHING had to break up the party. Too far inland to be whales!!! Hah, hah—got you there.
Gee whiz right back==what’cha got against Monty Python? The 40 foot tall electric penguin with tentacles is at 2:00.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=I8nM2pLw4TQ
-40C does equal -40F
The Thing got them. Or the unleashed something dormant for millions of years.
No polar bears or Things in the Antarctic. Sorry.
Maybe a rogue penguin got ’em…
Good calls Animby. Wiki says its pressure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Vostok
Wow! Wikipedia sometimes really amazes me. Thanks for the link, Bobbo. Velly Intellesting article. Apparently the water is NOT 20 Megayears old, just the lake. The water itself is changed on on a 13,000 year cycle. The possibility that life may have been trapped in that water and continues to evolve in a light free, high pressure. high oxygen, -3C environment is quite exciting. Makes me hope the team is found alive and well and successful.
I was off thinking about something else and it hit me: pressure?
All I “know” about pressure is that it RAISES the temperature at which water boils. So I assume it also RAISES the temperature at which water freezes? But with a mile of ice creating all that pressure, and the ice temp is at least 0 C or less, how come there is any water?
“Logically” I might assume that pressure raises the boiling temperature but lowers the freezing temperature below -40C? I don’t get that. My common sense says pressure should only act in one direction, not both.
Hah, ha. I will not rethink it to any resolution but rather wait for the blessed relief of that six pack–freezing at -10 C to Slush.
I got it absolutely perfect last week. Heineken from the freezer–open the bottle==the beer still a liquid. THEN pour it into my mouth and that amount of agitation turns it to slush right on my tongue. That happens about 1 out of 10 times. I suppose I could get an accurate thermometer and really do it right, but for now, I’m happy with plus or minus.
Life is good when one is made dip shit happy with little things===available to us all.
D’oh!
My deepest apologies. A friend just pointed out to me that only the first Thing was in the Arctic. The two remakes, apparently, we at the southern end of the world. I guess my age is showing.
Still no polar bears!
Scientists of the United States National Research Council have taken the position that it should be assumed that microbial life exists in Lake Vostok and that after such a long isolation, any life forms in the lake require strict protection from contamination.
The Russians released ancient pathological microbes into the atmosphere and they are now deceased.
The microbes are airborne and headed our direction. The apocalypse is near.
On the other hand, maybe they are having some kind of trouble with their communications gear.
They are ice fishing. And isn’t that the point of ice fishing, to be left alone? It there hole now!
They are ice fishing. And isn’t that the point of ice fishing, to be left alone? It’s their hole now!
Eaten by shoggoths. Cthulhu Ftaghn
This is the Gore Effect in action. Al Gore wen down to Antarctica with Richard Branson, and the Antarctic ended up 27 degrees below normal. Wikipedia spent most of its entry on the Gore Effect complaining that it was not a real scientific effect. The end result was an article that was not at all informative, and more of a screed.
Yaknow ……”They are ice fishing. And isn’t that the point of ice fishing, to be left alone? It’s their hole now!”
Classic!
The origin of “The Thing” is a novelle “Who goes There?” by
John w. Campbell, Jr. Story takes place at the South Pole.
There are some interesting parallels here.
Hey, I thought global warming was going to melt all the ice? Why didn’t the Russians just wait? Is it possible their scientists know something that the media isn’t reporting?
Yeah, they know math, physics, and lots of other “smart ass” stuff that you don’t believe in.
Dumbass.
Sounds like summer in Winnipeg.
The pressure at the lake level is 350 atmospheres. When the Russian’s drill pierced the lake surface, point water began to drift back up the bore because the freon/diesel column was not heavy enough to prevent it. The water being highly saturated with nitrogen and oxygen began to bubble. As the bubbles moved up the bore hole their size increased. This ejected the freon/diesel column. Loss of this weight let more saturated lake water enter the bore.
Eventually the water-oxygen-nitrogen mixture becomes a geyser clearing the bore of all drilling equipment. The lowering of pressure on the way up the bore drops the already cold mixture to 100s of degrees below zero. Everything in the station is destroyed or quick frozen.
My best guess.
I was thinking methane pocket above said lake, but your explanation seems more sound.
so……all standing around the drill hole and they got wet? The very thing they were trying to do? Reminds me of that video clip from South America where the truck is stuck half way off the road so they rock it back and forth until it is free====then it rolls down the hill and off the next curve. “If they had just thought it thru…….”
Thats gotta hurt.
Ahem, shows me what I get for not reading every reply…good thoughts.
You are to be forgiven. With Dvorak’s wonderful, juvenile, nested comment design, it is not only easy to miss some comments, it’s almost mandatory!
What is the pressure the water was under was so great that when they cracked the seal on the lake it would push the water right up the drill hole? I may be way off but I’m not really giving it much thought since it’s Friday and almost time to get out of here. But if it is possible and the pressure was enough I would imagine all the rigging would come right back up, and if they were near the rig, well, ouch.
Or more simply put, The Thing switched poles and got them.
The reality is this sort of thing happens often. Fuel has to be brought in drums. Contact can be lost for awhile. There was an expedition to the North Pole that got stuck too, and Antarctica is much more remote.
Fast Fact:
All the water we drink, bath in and use is the original water from the dawn of the planet.
So it is all old water. And its been pooed in by everything from ancient insects to your neighbour down the road.
History, we’re living it! Now go out and make some.
Cursor_
False “Fact”.
Lots of new water being manufactured all the time, mostly as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion. Quite a bit is “destroyed” every day, too, i.e. being separated into it’s basic elements.
Still, I suppose your basic sentiment is correct.
So the hole reached the underice lake, the pressure suddenly dropped, the whole lake immediately froze and everything in it is now frozen and quite dead.
Har. Great credible observation.
If you see how much tons of crap fluids they use to drill into the ice, they will probably find pollution in the last tiny bit of pure clean water on this planet.
Isan’t this the plot line for Aliens vs Predator?
yup. Maybe its not just a plot line…
The solar flares of last week damaged the station’s radio equipment. Lake Vostok is near the South Geomagnetic Pole.
Someone already mentioned the gas leak possibility.
If they hit some big pocket of carbon dioxide or some other gas, they could have all died without warning by suffocation.
… baseless unsubstantiated speculation, of course.
So begins the zombie apocalypse.
Maybe they drilled into Cthulu’s city?
Oh Great! So they hit the buried spacecraft and now “The Thing” is out!
When will they ever learn. Did none of them seem John Carpenter’s documentary?
Okay that was where I was heading. Yah got there first. They hit the thing/blob and it ate them.
They’ve been found in a Taiwanese internet cafe.
Should have left well enough alone.