We ask a OPD officer why he had his name badge covered…. from BLK PXLS on Vimeo.
on page 5 section C. line item 3
3. Each officer shall wear a badge, nameplate, or other device on the outside of his or her uniform or on his or her helmet which bears the identification number or the name of the officer, as required by Penal Code § 830.10.
The number or name shall be clearly visible at all times. The letters or numerals on helmets, jackets, and vests shall be clearly legible at a distance sufficient to provide a measure of safety for both officers and demonstrators/observers and, in no case, shall be less than two inches in height on helmets.
so fucking what?
#1. The name coverage is to prevent the “occupiers” from ID-ing and then harassing the LEO when he/she is away from the job, in the same manner as was done in New York recently to WS investment people at their homes.
#2. Not all, but far too many of the “occupiers” conceal their faces. If it’s fair for the police to be required to reveal their shield no. and/or names, why should the opposition be treated any differently?. After all…these demonstrations are supposedly happening to promote fairness, and the last time that I checked, “fairness” was a two-way street…
Poor spoiled children- they want everything NOW without earning it.
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12616537/just-after-halloween-2011
Because it’s the law. Fairness has nothing to do with it. If the world was fair, instead of bonuses, many Wall Street execs would have been duck walked into jail.
Fairness is a two way street, but the police are public employees. If my money is paying for your house, you better bloody well follow the rules set forth for you. When the police begin to be held accountable for their bullshit, I’ll take my mask off.
Although I don’t approve of the hiding of their id’s. I’d like to point out that public employees pay the same taxes you do, therefore the “my money” argument doesn’t fly. Also, being harassed at their home is not part of the job, perhaps there should be heaver penalties on people who do it.
Isn’t it against the law for:
citizens to camp in public parks
block streets
direct automobile traffic
attempt to eject members of the press from parks
destroy property
threaten business owners
defecate in public
destroy public land
interfere with legitimate business
hold parades without permits
dispense food in public places without proper permits
generally act like chimpanees
Depends on where you’re from and depends on which demonstrations you are referring to and which commentator on Fox talk radio you listen to.
Also depends on whether you have any concept of the proper use of the language or any knowledge of spelling in general.
Depending on the park, the city (or state) can allow or disallow camping and/or overnight demonstrations. There is no federal law that applies to “public” parks. National parks allow for citizens and non-citizens alike to camp. Usually there are designated camp grounds for everybody’s safety but that’s besides the point.
Let me make a point at this time: “Isn’t it against he law for: block streets”. That should demonstrate your general level of intelligence. If you meant “Isn’t it against the law for citizens to block streets”, then again the situation depends. If the streets are blocked off with a permit, then no. If they’re forced off a route where there are sidewalks by the police (illegally) then yes it is, but they should not be held liable for the police practicing what is called “entrapment”.
Again, it depends on the situation. Citizens may direct automobile traffic in certain situations. Crossing guards do it all the time. They’re neither deputized nor LEOs. If there’s an emergency, a bystander can direct traffic as well. And if there is a parade, police should be directing traffic but if they fail to do their duty, some cities allow for parade organizers to do so.
Ejecting members of the press from the parks is questionable. If there are incidents of crimes, a citizen’s arrest may be made and in that sense yes.
I threaten business owners all the time. I don’t know why you don’t, it’s a great bargaining chip.
If using portable toilets is defecating in public, then construction workers should be arrested. The people who defecate in view of the public (big difference) are the same homeless people who do it anyway. If you listen to NA, Adam pointed out there are plenty of homeless who have been showing up to these events mainly looking for food and shelter.
I haven’t seen any incidents of destruction of public land. But again, it depends on the ordinances in the community. If you’re camping on grass and the city/state say that by doing so you’re destroying grass then yes. If it’s a national park, then no.
Interfering with legitimate business occurs daily, especially if you work on Wall Street. If you mean obstructing the entrance to a business in order to prevent customers from entering, then yes. If you’re going to argue some of the marches or demonstrations have done this, then I would suggest arresting all parade organizers and participants.
The only occasion where there has been an allegation of a parade without a permit has been when cops force the participants off the parade route in an attempt to entrap them so they can arrest and brutalize them.
Dispensation of food is not illegal unless you’re selling the food. If you’re giving away food samples in a public park and you own a business somewhere near buy, that does not require a permit. If, on the other hand, you set up a stand to sell the food, then yes a permit is required.
And acting like chimpanZees is not against the law. If it were, Dubya would have been impeached.
Let me reply to every one of your points;
Depends on where you’re from and depends on which demonstrations you are referring to and which commentator on Fox talk radio you listen to.
Sorry, every point I made is a crime in every state, except perhaps acting like a chimpanzee.
Also depends on whether you have any concept of the proper use of the language or any knowledge of spelling in general.
WTF does this even MEAN?
Depending on the park, the city (or state) can allow or disallow camping and/or overnight demonstrations. There is no federal law that applies to “public” parks. National parks allow for citizens and non-citizens alike to camp. Usually there are designated camp grounds for everybody’s safety but that’s besides the point.
Every “occupy” group is illegally camping, and is being overlooked by leftist mayors.
Let me make a point at this time: “Isn’t it against he law for: block streets”. That should demonstrate your general level of intelligence.
So you are a complete ass. “he”??
If you meant “Isn’t it against the law for citizens to block streets”, then again the situation depends. If the streets are blocked off with a permit, then no. If they’re forced off a route where there are sidewalks by the police (illegally) then yes it is, but they should not be held liable for the police practicing what is called “entrapment”.
The marchers are fucking blocking streets, the campers are fucking blocking streets. You are a douchebag.
Again, it depends on the situation. Citizens may direct automobile traffic in certain situations. Crossing guards do it all the time. They’re neither deputized nor LEOs. If there’s an emergency, a bystander can direct traffic as well. And if there is a parade, police should be directing traffic but if they fail to do their duty, some cities allow for parade organizers to do so.
Only police officers or agents of government entities can direct traffic, dumbshit.
Ejecting members of the press from the parks is questionable. If there are incidents of crimes, a citizen’s arrest may be made and in that sense yes.
Thank you.
I threaten business owners all the time. I don’t know why you don’t, it’s a great bargaining chip.
Now you are just being stupid. Too many beers, perhaps?
If using portable toilets is defecating in public, then construction workers should be arrested. The people who defecate in view of the public (big difference) are the same homeless people who do it anyway. If you listen to NA, Adam pointed out there are plenty of homeless who have been showing up to these events mainly looking for food and shelter.
Sorry, doucheface. Perhaps you should go to the camps and smell the shit and piss on the lawns.
I haven’t seen any incidents of destruction of public land. But again, it depends on the ordinances in the community. If you’re camping on grass and the city/state say that by doing so you’re destroying grass then yes. If it’s a national park, then no.
Perhaps you don’t recall Oakland ever having green grass on it’s plaza. Or you don’t notice all the graffiti all over the fucking place.
Interfering with legitimate business occurs daily, especially if you work on Wall Street. If you mean obstructing the entrance to a business in order to prevent customers from entering, then yes. If you’re going to argue some of the marches or demonstrations have done this, then I would suggest arresting all parade organizers and participants.
All shops around Oakland have suffered. Customers call them to ask how far away the demonstrators are. Port of Oakland was closed.
Dumbshit.
The only occasion where there has been an allegation of a parade without a permit has been when cops force the participants off the parade route in an attempt to entrap them so they can arrest and brutalize them.
Not one of these fucking marches has had a permit, doucherider.
Dispensation of food is not illegal unless you’re selling the food. If you’re giving away food samples in a public park and you own a business somewhere near buy, that does not require a permit. If, on the other hand, you set up a stand to sell the food, then yes a permit is required.
Sorry, you need a permit to dispense ANY food in public. That’s the law in California. You just make up shit, don’t you?
And acting like chimpanZees is not against the law. If it were, Dubya would have been impeached.
I know how to spell it, crapface. Perhaps you throw shit at people too.
The citizen should have tasered the cop.
They knew it was a tough job when they signed on. Cops aren’t above the law. If he or his family didn’t want it known he was a cop, then why do it?
Actually at some locations giving food away is against local ordinances. Preparing and serving food often has to be according to health codes. Camping out in parks is often breaking codes as well as just monopolizing what was meant to be a public place that anyone can use. Breaking and entering has occurred. People have blocked traffic and they have used threats and intimidation on third parties as happened when they shut down the docks that so far as I can see are being victimized because they work and they’re handy.
And yes it is duely recorded that some people have been getting IDs of officers then running down as much information as they can get then going after them and their families, kids included.
While a lot of people have said that the Tea party demonstrations are the same thing I’m afraid that a careful examination of the records aren’t going to show the rampant disregard for following the rules and respecting others that is evidently a part of the behavior of many occupiers.
To be as honest and fair minded as I can the behavior of many now taking part in occupier activities makes them excellent candidates for the domestic terrorist lists.
If this doesn’t apply to you then all I can say is that your movement has been hijacked by thugs.
The dick is all over facebook and google. NOW he wants anonymonity while acting in YOUR name, spending YOUR tax dollars?
HAHAHA
Self redacting Peace Officer . I wonder what he was up to earlier, just before the filming.
At least we know where most of the dvorak tea baggers stand on the OWS movement.
Congrats on your movement being hijacked by corporatists, tea party. I can already hear the redneck’s cheers for privatized police forces owned by the rich bankers.
After watching the hooligans loot and pillage at these spots, it’s high time the cops put their boots down on these thugs.
And so what does Dvorak cover? A name badge is covered.
Boo freaking hoo!
hooligans? loot? pillage? ….. PROOF???
“After watching the hooligans loot and pillage at these spots, it’s high time the cops put their boots down on these thugs.”
Right…all the looting and pillaging…that isn’t happening.
But as far as boots being brought down, I just hope I’m around when it’s your turn for the police state to put a boot on the neck of you and yours. Because you will get your turn. That’s just how it works. It’s how it’s always worked. You would know that if you bothered to crack a book or two or knew that there was history before 1941.
These protests are frightening if you watch Fox Gnus or listen to AM radio.
Granted, some left-leaning blogs made fun of a few non-representative tea baggers, while here we have not only the same thing but the entire wingnut media missing the point (by a mile) and misinforming their audience, as we see here. The sad part is that the real media is barely catching on.
Fun part for me is the contrast between the corporate/PAC component of TEA which ended up driving and controlling the entire movement (Tea Party Express, anyone?), and the successful efforts to keep any such organization out of OWS.
Amazing that people on here can try to defend a cop covering all identifying information on his uniform.
Insane.
I think a good point has been missed.
This LEO was not following policy – for whatever real or perceived reason. When it was pointed out to his superior, immediate and decisive action was taken to rectify the problem.
Kudos to the lieutenant.
>privatized police forces owned by the rich bankers.
If the regular cops aren’t going to clear out the not publicly owned Zuccotti Park where the Occupy Wall Street protests are happening, then perhaps private cops are needed. I hear that instead some of these cops are quietly telling crazy homeless people to go there, to scare the protesters out. Oh boo hoo if you got robbed while at your day long protest. It’s just a Robin Hood tax.
I was homeless once, when I was younger and in a bad economy. I wasn’t “crazy” then, and I’m not “crazy” now. It was just a bad economy, and there were no jobs. Maybe you’re privileged or just lucky. (Does anyone here remember 21% interest rates?).
Just hope it never happens to you.
I didn’t say all homeless people are crazy, just that the cops want to send the troublemakers to Zuccotti.
They have his picture, perhaps they should report him to the the Police Chief.
If these protests were less communist in nature, and more conservative leaning but the protesters behaving the same way, I think many of the supporters in the media and on this blog would suddenly care about the violence, indifference to rape, and the cost to the public.
The “liberal” media ignored OWS for nearly three weeks. After it was no longer possible to *not* cover it, they responded by marginalizing and belittling it.
Your charge of media bias just doesn’t wash here.
I rip tags off of mattresses.
Thats against the law
It is illegal to sell a mattress as new without its tag or for a mattress tag to be removed inside a retail establishment by the retailer. It is an effort to stop furniture stores from selling old hotel mattresses as new. I live in absolute disgust that there are people who willingly buy USED mattresses, and wish there was a registry for such unhygienic individuals so I could opt out of sitting next to them when traveling.
I get that cops shouldn’t be harassed at home. We all want our privacy. But a cop’s job is PUBLIC SERVICE. The law requires they wear a badge, with a number and show their name. Else we have the SS.
The way I see it:
Tea Party = co-opted by the fascist right
Occupy WS = co-opted by the communist left
The world has been down this road before. As JCD says, it’s all cyclical.
What else is new.
I don’t think your co-opting model is correct at all. TEA was co-opted very early on by some major PACs, including Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, both funded heavily by the Kochs. With that influence and money, Fox News jumped on board and suddenly TEA was getting all sorts of positive coverage and support. Hannity, Beck, Palin and others headlined their events, and Fox advertised them heavily in addition to Hannity and Beck (and all the other Fox-heads) giving them hours of free publicity.
OWS hasn’t been co-opted, yet, and they’re trying hard not to be. Plus, they have very few allies in the media, anywhere.
So how’s that false equivalence, again?
Also from the rulebook:
The government may impose reasonable restrictions on the time, place, or manner of protected
speech, provided …that they are narrowly tailored to serve a significant governmental interest, and that they
leave open ample alternative channels for communication of the information.
To use the standard anti-crime bs. If you have nothing to hide why are you hiding? Why was this cop hiding his name?
What was edited out of this video at the beginning or the end? There is a background conversation about someone turning off their camera.
We’ve come a long way from playing Cops and Robbers and Eliot Ness. We were a lot less duplicitous in the fifties.
When an armed L.E.O. does not clearly identify himself, he becomes just another thug in a funny outfit. That’s a good way to get your ass shot off in New York City.
I am glad that Bloomberg decided not to let the police make any martyrs in Zuccotti park. (Just like everywhere else, NYPD cops are thugs with badges and the situation would have deteriorated very quickly if the white shirts had had their way. [Police Supervisor Anthony Bologna is a typical enforcer. You want to keep a thin blue line between those goons and normal citizens.])
Too bad that the Oakland mayor can’t rein in the police chief who can’t read the signs, and has no respect for the citizens of Oakland.
When you join the Military you raise your hand to abide by the rules of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
When you join the Police Department you raise your hand to abide by the Rules in the Police Handbook.
Word of mouth justification does not apply.
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I did ask the government why they never wore uniforms on the Ohio River Locks and Dams in Kentucky. The answer was that the uniforms were a, “Bulls Eye”.
Just about every oil and gas well in KY and TN up in the sticks has a 24/7 guard on it. Eco Terrorism is quite rampant.
Why do conservatives like the anonymous, authoritarian state like police behavior? Maybe it’s a no questions asked, father figure sort of response?
This is BAD
I was going to stay out of this..
But why not ask the cops the Service contract they signed..
To protect the Civilian/public..
There are to many instances where the public has been arrested without provocation..or reason..
Lets arrest those we are picketing against.. LET the judges sort it out.
I’m literally amazed at the amount of ‘who cares?’ comments. It’s ‘selective breaking the law’ syndrome.
Do people who make such comments bother to wonder why such a law exists? Why it’s there to protect them? Do they argue against free speech when the speech isn’t their point of view?
Have you ever heard of the phrase “Cafeteria Catholics”? That’s your answer!
Why does it say 38 comments on this topic but I only see three?
I’ve noticed that a few times since the new format
BTW, Does that cop have a smirk or what!
There’s an ‘Old comments’ link slightly below the third comment. I preferred the old way but I understand DU is taking feedback into consideration.
Yup, the cop has a stupid smirk…. Like he’s an idiot…
I have seen absolutely no evidence that Dvorak, his minions or his teenage web designer are listening to the negative feedback AT ALL! They like the new touchy feely pastel layouts that limit discussion. Of course, since I chose to use the reply button under a comment, no one will see this…
They did adjust the posts to be chronoligical, and the fonts are now serif for easier reading. Seems like the pink got toned down too.
Still some problems, but some changes were made due to the overwhelming complaints.
Miguel–no one knows why the changes were made to this blog making a more substantive interaction with the other posters more difficult. Not a matter of opinion–just “try” to follow an issue here. Can’t be done without much more time frittered away.
Just like any other “upgrade”: hard to justify except to have a new licensing fee.
I’d think/hope just as common sense if not business self interest a survey would have been done of all the contributing members? What changes would you like to see? I don’t know, but I doubt even that was done. Still, we the unwashed public are used to be treated this way. Some like it===like a boot on the throat if you get my threaded meaning.
But I post to echo Dallas’ as always fine and insightful comment: “Who are these jackboots posting here?” I can see doing it for sarcasm, or while writing my suicide note, but who would do this seriously?======and its the same group that vote Republican: anti public, anti-middle class, anti-freedom. Voting and cawing for their own self destruction without even noticing–or even caring. Proud to be a know nothing.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
I’m sorry, but the whole manual is strange. The idea of government sanctioned protests, and especially having to get a permit for one.
At least the manual says that having or not having a permit makes no difference.
Just imagine all the speeding tickets we wouldn’t get if all the cops were thrown off the force. It’s not like cops have individual badge numbers or anything. And it’s not like anyone can make a citizens arrests when they need to either. After all, who needs these non-accountable righteous bullies handing out their daily misery to honest hard working people. Right?
Who needs any kind of special force or group of people willing to stand up to the thugs of society who don’t think twice about theft, assault, rape or murder? Right?!
I swear. That stupid video guy obviously has a chip on his shoulder. And it’s pretty standard bullshit from someone with no real agenda or too much time on their hands.
Too be fair that “stupid video guy” was completely correct in his assertions.
LibertyLover “Eco Terrorism is quite rampant.”
Define rampant. Except in the logging industry, I haven’t heard of a case of “eco terrorism” for quite some time.
no no no. Its the POLICE. laws do not apply to them. C’mon! Since when were they uphold-able to the laws they enforce? Cops are NEVER wrong, NEVER break a law, so why care? Laws are you SLAVE not them.