Today marks the end of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell“. The law is repealed. From this day forward Gay and Lesbian soldiers may serve in our Army with the dignity and respect they deserve. Our rules, regulations and policies reflect the repeal guidance issues by the Department of Defense and will apply uniformly without regard to sexual orientation, which is a personal and private matter.
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noname==what would my rank, my experience, or my Daddy have to do with any opinion I post?
I posted none of that==BOTH you and Cave chose to make NOT an appeal to authority in my view but rather simply a human recollection of your personal contact to the issue of this thread. Nothing wrong with that: mentioned, but not relied on.
Your shit: calling Cave out for something you did yourself. Dimwitted.
The shinola: recognizing what is human in all of us.
I carefully reread your Post #53==not as bad as first read. Still a horrible lack of empathy-the viewing of the world only from your own perspective. Actually, I agree with everything you say and disagree only with what you don’t balance it with which I would.
Yes, anything not mission oriented potentially interferes with the mission. Regaling bunk mates with tales of butt sex would be disruptive for me and so would tales of heterosexual escapades if told in some unacceptable/uncomfortable way. Although, I recall there not being much else to talk about. Ha, ha.
All such disagreements/social interactions can be done with the bias of hating anyone who is different, or simply remind everyone of “good order” for the ship. I for one especially hate stories about having sex with very fat women, very skinny women, women missing one eye, women who can’t tell the difference between a condom and bubble gum and all sorts of other characteristics that don’t float my boat. “Knock it Off” usually suffices? People who take restoring mission focus farther into racial/sexual bigotry are worse than the offenders they complain about.
Foobar–since you understand todays troops are “basically” the same as your Daddy’s troops, I wonder if you accept the notion that so are everyone else’s troops? Whatever differences you might find, the similarities far outweigh the differences.
Same as it ever was.
I have the strange feeling these “macho” veterans still think the skinny, femme, lisping fairies you see on MTV are the norm. The repeal of DADT and the official admission of gays and lesbians in the military serves to protect those who are serving already from being booted for something so stupid as to what gets them horny.
It’s not about flaunting your sexuality you dumbasses. It’s all about serving your country with honor and respect.
#63 “I can’t believe, some supposedly grown-up (# 62 Cave Johnson) is telling me “my Daddy is” Stories.”
Sorry you did not care for me sharing my conversations with a 20 year Navy Veteran who I have had a life long close personal relationship with.
I did enjoy your personal attack thanks for the attention.
The US Military was the first major organization to eliminate segregation and foster an environment of non-discrimination in the 50s voices similar yours said it was a bad thing. History has proved them wrong I would bet history will judge this the same.
My dangerous childish thoughts are inline with our military leaders and the majority of the country yours in the minority I guess you will have to accept this personal hardship.
Thank you for your Service,
There will be unintended consequences. Will the barracks still be segregated by gender only?
Also, like it or not Gays are much more likely to get AIDS than non-gays. The CDC used to put out a report that showed proportionality of AIDS victims and their sexual orientation but that got yanked when the new political message was it’s a disease that affects everyone (even though the Gays take the lion’s share).
Why is this a big deal? When someone acquires a disease or condition while in the military, it is considered service-connected. Gays getting AIDS while on military duty will be covered by the VA and assigned a disability, etc. to be paid for by tax payers.
23, Bobbo,
Therefore we have historical proof that homosexuality behavior can be nurtured / fostered.
That said, the reason why the Greeks promoted gayness in their military was because they believed the soldiers would fight harder if they fought by the side of their lovers.
27, Faxon,
Then no submarine duty for him since he’ll be hot racking for a while until he makes rank.
28, Steth-Killa,
It’s a pragmatic concern. By eliminating DADT, do you suppose gay enlistment will go up or down? Since gays take the lion’s share of those afflicted with AIDS, what do you suppose that does to the risk factors of hypothetically being exposed for whatever the circumstances?
You’ve obviously not served in the military. Equal rank does not mean equal work. Most military women cannot even pass a PT test if held to the male standards. The whole equal pay for equal rank is nothing more than G.I. Jane symbolism. Anyone will tell you the weakest link physically is almost ALWAYS female. There are a few women who can clock a guy, but those women are statistical anomalies.
51, Bobbo,
Strange…. almost sounded like you criticizing yourself and man-made global warming. 🙂
53, NoName,
Big Yup! I don’t care if someone is gay, I just don’t want them shoving their gayness down my throat. Keep it to yourself if that’s the way you swing.
Liberals forget that when they try to push their petri dish experiments.
54, Bobbo,
Therefore what was the problem with DADT other than a desire to openly flaunt their sexual orientation and maybe obtain a minority status?
57, Bobbo,
Almost all the women in the military can’t carry a 100 pound pack on the ground or 100 pounds of chains on a flight deck. But because the military is an “equal opportunity” employer and doesn’t like accusations of sexual harassment, the male members of the unit end up picking up the slack. Less men per unit, more work for individual men… all while women get compensated for equal pay because they have the same pay grade but do less of the work. That’s not an opinion… that’s been my personal observations between two branches I served in.
62, NoName,
Does your dad think berthing / barracks will strictly be by gender only? There will be splitting of hair. There will be unintended consequences and it will come with a bigger price tag for tax payers that takes away from the military mission to accommodate “alternative lifestyles”. Your Daddy should already know what happened with berthing and heads (aka latrines / bathrooms) when women served aboard warships.
70, Angel Wong,
And they couldn’t already do that under DADT?
# 69 bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist;
Dude you are so very dim witted on so many fronts, put down your pot and take some vitamins or something before you post.
You said:
“I carefully reread your Post #53==not as bad as first read. Still a horrible lack of empathy-”
Your dame right it’s a “horrible lack of empathy-“. Offering Empathy is allays more sincere and compassionate then Sympathy; because with Empathy, you blithering idiot, you have to have shared the same “painful” experiences. I sir, have never shared a gay’s experience nor do I care to.
Again, if only 10% of humanity is born gay, 90% is not interested in perusing involvement! DADT did not demand gay’s not be gay; it only, asked that gay’s don’t parade out their sexuality.
I guess, being gay damages any social or personal facility of being discreet.
So no, I gladly have no empathy for gays, I only have plenty of sympathy for the poor bastards!!
In the cartoon, the gay in the box probably got it in the back from the dude the dead gay wanted to date. That’s how the solder knew “Turns out, that guy was gay”.
Gay’s should know, don’t fuck with people, holding loaded guns that are supposed to have your back.
# 71 Cave Johnson
Another blithering idiot posting shit he knows nothing about. Your right, I don’t give a shit about your daddy.
“The US Military was the first major organization to eliminate segregation and foster an environment of non-discrimination in the 50s”
Do you really have to tell me, a black man about the 50’s or the military?? Did your “20 year” daddy raise to be that dumb?? Where was your mommy when daddy was gone?
#73 “Therefore we have historical proof that homosexuality behavior can be nurtured / fostered.”
Do you even know any gay people?
There’s a world of difference between being able to talk about your loved one, regardless of gender, and “fraternizing” with your fellow soldiers. Fraternizing has always been against the rules. And guess what — the rules have always been broken occasionally. Some people get caught and pay the price, others don’t.
There are already gay people in the military having sex with each other, pal. Repealing DADT has nothing to do with that.
Big Yup! I don’t care if someone is gay, I just don’t want them shoving their gayness down my throat. Keep it to yourself if that’s the way you swing.
So some guy at work saying “my boyfriend and I went biking this weekend” is “shoving it down your throat”? Just knowing that someone is gay is “shoving it down your throat”?
Dude. You are so squeamish about gay people that you can’t even bear knowing that someone is gay. That’s your problem, so keep it in the closet (heh) because we don’t want to hear about your bigotry.
They’re here (they’ve always been here), they’re queer, get fucking used to it. And move on.
#74 Again, if only 10% of humanity is born gay, 90% is not interested in perusing involvement! DADT did not demand gay’s not be gay; it only, asked that gay’s don’t parade out their sexuality.
You too noname? The guy at work says “I went biking with my boyfriend this weekend” and that’s “parading out” his sexuality? And that hurts your poor little feelings?
Don’t be such a goddamn wuss. It really isn’t contagious, if you’re afraid it is, it just means you’re a closet case. 🙂
There’s no homophobe like a closeted homophobe.
#78 noname: do you actually know any gay people? Or is your only exposure to them the worst excesses of gay pride parades?
Really, it ok for a gay to be in your face with their butt shit
What do you mean by this? Is a guy mentioning his boyfriend in casual conversation “getting in your face with his butt shit”? What the hell are you talking about? Or do you think that all gay guys do is hit on straight guys and talk about gay sex all the time. Like I said: do you actually know any gay people?
I know lots of gay guys and they’re not leering sluts, at least not in mixed company. What they do behind closed doors is anyone’s guess, but you know what? If it bothers you to think about their “butt shit” then DON’T THINK ABOUT IT.
#75 noname”Do you really have to tell me, a black man about the 50′s or the military??”
Yes apparently I do and “Your Welcome” glad to help.
Voices similar yours said eliminating segregation and discrimination was mistake. Lucky us and lucky you they were wrong. Or was it just PFM that it worked out so well?
and yes my father thinks I’m can be smart ass some times I’m 51 now so I don’t think I’ll grow out of it.
I’m done whit this page now so you can have the last word.
thank for the dialogue ‘Cave
Taking bets that in five years or less nobody’s gonna give a damn about straight or gay. The one question no one seems to be asking. Can they do the job they signed up for?
BTW noname, if you are a black man, it’s ironic to hear you saying the same shit about gays in the military that people said about blacks in the military. Stuff about them being savages, unable to control their lustful impulses, blah de blah blah.
76, Phydeau,
Yes. Do I treat them fairly? As much as they’re entitled to within a work environment. Do I want to mingle with them? Nope.
So you’re justifying the breaking of rules because others have broken break them without getting caught? You’re not one of those penis envy liberals who get upset about those sort of things do you?
SOPs get broken too in the military. Does that mean others should stop obeying them?
You’ve got a talent for being Master of the Obvious. But you forgot that they keep it to themselves for the most part and they do their jobs (as they should) even though they hide their gayness.
So some guy at work saying “my boyfriend and I went biking this weekend” is “shoving it down your throat”? Just knowing that someone is gay is “shoving it down your throat”?
Shoving it down my throat is trying to get me to embrace your alternative lifestyle is normal or encouraging my children to adopt your lifestyle through the public education system. You have your moral compass and I have mine. Do your job and I will treat you fairly. Leave your personal matters at home.
In the military, I could care less about what you and your boyfriend did over the weekend. Keep whatever you and your boyfriend do between yourselves and don’t bring it to work (hetereo or homo). Just don’t drag me into your world.
Squeamish? Whatever made you think I’m squeamish? Ahhhhh… a liberal who jumps to conclusions. It figures. 🙂 Liberals seem to think everyone opposes them if others don’t support the liberal cause 100%. Get over it. Most people honestly don’t care.
No, I’m perfectly okay with you wanting to pack some other guy’s fudge. You can play the skin flute for all I care. I just don’t want to know about it. I don’t need nor want to know your business or what makes your boat float / bike run.
When we’re off duty you mind your business and I’ll mind mine.
77, Phydeau,
It’s always amusing to see liberals exaggerating someone’s dislike of something as a phobia. I suppose if you met someone who doesn’t like eating sushi that your typical liberal mindset will draw a hasty conclusion and deduce somehow that the person is sushi phobic.
You skin flute loving liberals have a passion for exaggerating things for argumentative theater.
78, NoName,
Phydeau just summed it up for you already. As a member of the skin flute player’s minority union, he feels that DADT has infringed upon his military entitlement to tell his military co-workers what he and his boyfriend did over the weekend.
This is probably because Phydeau probably thinks that the hetero members of the military have always had the right to free speech within the military (he’s probably watched a lot of Hollywood Military movies)
He’s probably a self-proclaimed authority on how military training or combat revolves around hetero guys talking about what they did with their GFs over the weekend. Split second life or death decisions are based on a guys flashback from the previous weekend, month, year, etc. At least that’s probably how he’s been told through Hollywood. Heck, he probably thinks that G.I. Jane is a realistic movie. 🙂
82, Phydeau,
What a dope. There’s a HUGE difference between being black and being gay. Blacks cannot hide their skin color.
Weren’t you the boy genius who said that gays have always been here. The implied message being that they’ve been in hiding.
It’s bad enough that you’re liberal. But please don’t show your stupidity over an example such as that.
#12, Tea Dude, no, transsexuals are still barred from joining the military. This repeal only affects the ban on homosexuals.
Interestingly enough, the number of people discharged under “DADT” was a fraction of a fraction of a percent of all discharges, and the majority of those were boot camp “revelations” who decided they didn’t want to be there anymore.
The one thing that passing this repeal has done is it has emboldened the political supporters of allowing women in the infantry… which actually does have serious readiness implications.