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#26, Ok don’t vote then (that is essentially what you are choosing to do). If your going to chose not to vote then at least try not to criticize others who are prepared to make the tougher choices.
#27,
Good for you. Throw your vote away. Sure, you could write in any name you wish. In the two party system that’s the same as not voting. Worse, it means you are not voting for someone who could win thus helping to elect the other person.
You guys are funny.
You want me to NOT criticize you for throwing your vote away on an inept moran?
You’re asking a lot.
#27, Liberty Lover? I’m guessing you are a sailor who loves three day passes.
Actually, I liked the 96 hour liberties.
Why should anyone vote for a presidential candidate that talked about seceding his state from the Union? We’re voting for the president of the United States, not the Confederate States of America.
Glad I could clear that up for ya.
23, Liberty Lover,
And what were the consequences of those who voted for Ross Perot?
25, Bobbo,
Worked for Bill Clinton.
#37, And what were the consequences of those who voted for Ross Perot?
That is your reason for voting against someone else?
There’s a fable about a dog and bone and creek. I suggest you guys read it.
Vote anybody but Obama!
I honestly don’t think the country can take four more years of that narcissistic ass. He is already in full time campaign mode.
38, Liberty Lover,
That is my citing a historical reference. Are you saying Bill Clinton would have beaten Bush Sr. without Perot concurrently running?
I agree that there is always more than 2 choices. The question is the way you vote strategic or symbolic when confronted with more than 2 choices?
You think you’ve seen government waste, vote tax increasing politicians in. They can collect more money and waste it even better.
But then you never know, Seattle did manage to create 14 new jobs on a $20M grant: http://komonews.com/news/local/127844048.html
18 not my favorite candidate but Obama makes a lot of people look better by comparison.
Guyver–arguing labels rather than substance? Obama compromises all his supposed beliefs. Did Hitler do that? Compromise?
I did try to focus on that single issue.
Try it.
#16 Parties are great, political parties not so much.
#36 Guy,
really?
From the Wiki: “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei – The party was founded out of the current of the far-right and racist German völkisch nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany.[5] The party was created by Anton Drexler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[6]
The party’s last leader, Adolf Hitler, was appointed Chancellor of Germany by president Paul von Hindenburg in 1933. Hitler rapidly established a totalitarian regime[7][8][9][10] known as the Third Reich.
Nazi ideology stressed the failures of laissez-faire capitalism, communism, economic liberalism, and democracy; advocated Positive Christianity; supported the “racial purity of the German people” and that of other Northwestern Europeans; and claimed itself as the protector of Germany from Jewish influence and corruption. The Nazis persecuted those they perceived as either race enemies or Lebensunwertes Leben, that is “life unworthy of living”. This included Jews, Slavs, Roma, and so-called “Mischlinge” along with Communists, homosexuals, the mentally and physically disabled, and others. The persecution reached its climax when the party and the German state which it controlled organized the systematic murder of approximately six million Jews and six million other people from the other targeted groups, in what has become known as the Holocaust. Hitler’s desire to build a German empire through expansionist policies led to the outbreak of World War II in Europe.”
Sounds more far right, than far left, to me.
And by the way, my americanistic translation of what is intended by “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei” is “Political Society of Nationalistic Working Germans“, or “Patriotic Society of Employed Germans“. This translation is based on my experience with modern Germans, how they talk about themselves, and how they are unified as a society.
Also, The Nazi Party was aimed at people who work for a living, middle and lower class, and not intended to redistribute wealth.
Sounds very much like “The Tea Party” (which isn’t a Political Party) and GOP. Messages, from the right wing, are similar.
Except now, the right wing embraces The Jewish People.
But it still hates The Queers.
Dvorak is right…this guy is a Democrat in wolfs clothing.
No fundamental Christians in the White House…EVER!!!!!!
Reagan was a member of the Democratic Party before 1962.
it’s hopeless Charlie Brown.
#40,
38, Liberty Lover,
That is your reason for voting against someone else?
That is my citing a historical reference. Are you saying Bill Clinton would have beaten Bush Sr. without Perot concurrently running?
Unknown. Libertarians are closer to Liberals in quite a few different areas. Clinton may have won by a larger margin.
I agree that there is always more than 2 choices. The question is the way you vote strategic or symbolic when confronted with more than 2 choices?
I vote neither. I vote for the person whom I believe will make the better president.
Why vote for someone you KNOW is inept? That is truly vote wasting because the lesser of two evils is still evil.
This argument was hashed repeatedly on this board in 2007. People were saying, “I’m voting for whoever runs against the republican.” They didn’t care who the democrat was.
Well, we’ve seen how THAT works out.
I’m truly amazed the attitudes haven’t changed. The only way these two parties get their shit in one sock is to let them know we are no longer going to be suckered into believing anything they say.
#49 – You’ve got that right. Liberals want to take away your economic freedom while Conservatives want to take away your social freedom.
You pretty much have to prioritize. Right now, I prioritize toward economic freedom since it takes about 150K to reach the minimum acceptable American standard of living. That needs to be fixed.
#51, If you were “with me,” you would NOT consider voting for the right man to be a symbol. Do you symbolically punish your kid when he does wrong?
It is your “self-rationalization” that has caused the mess we are in now. It has not gotten better by chips. It’s gotten worse by chunks.
Stop the cycle, change your attitude, and start preaching the truth (you know the truth) — there is no difference between Obama, Bachman, Perry, Romney, et al, not by an inch.
There is only one real choice and he has proven time and again he is right.
Ron Paul.
Guyver, so let me guess, you have accute OCD?
#51, Guyver,
You don’t understand the difference between a proper name and a noun.
Hint 1); they are usually differentiated by capitalizing the first letter for a proper name.
Hint 2) Hitler did not nationalize any German company although many were brought under state control for war purposes. The same was done by Churchill and Roosevelt, all in the name of the “War Effort”.
Oh great, ANOTHER comparison of a random politician to Hitler and the Nazis. I am not even right-wing, I am a Canadian centre-left social democrat and I find this stupid.
You know when people compare politicians to Hitler – because the politician is or is believed to be “bad” or corrupt – it trivializes Hitler’s atrocious crimes. Has Santorum committed genocide? No.
There are only a few people who are REALLY like Hitler today and those people are: (1) arrested war criminal Radovan Karadzic who committed genocide in Bosnia, (2) the “Hutu Power” fanatics in Rwanda and now in exile in the Congo who committed genocide against millions of Tutsis in 1994, (3) the white supremacist racist Nick Griffin of the British National Party who is known to have openly promoted pushing out non-white British people.