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tHEY WANT IT TO FALL.
Then the corps can come in the STRAIGHTEN it all out.(LMAO)
then we ALL work for the corp..(LOL)
WHO wants a country run by corps that ROB/TAKE your retirement benefits? aND ALL THE REST..
WHo wants to try something interesting..?
Look of the lives and family of our representatives and MANY of the gov workers..Mayors, judges…and so forth..
IT S A FAMILY BUSINESS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_relationships_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
For those that saw the article of a kid that LOOKED THEM UP, for a school project.
Lemme see… This comes from the White House. Hmmm. Who is the chief honcho at the White House? Oh.
That guy.
So, it is a huge surprise to see he is not at all responsible for anything, and he has been there for HOW long?
What a bunch or crap this chart is.
Oh yea. Obamacare, That isn’t even ON this chart yet!
This chart sucks. The scales of the bars are totally out of whack relative to each other.
Nice one Uncle Dave. I acknowledge the Buddha within.
listen you bunch of 5th grade monkies..
only “We the people” are responsible for “the debt” -nobody else.
-not obama, bush or the slew of other recent patzi’s we’ve been duped into thinking/voting in, would “change” anything for the betterment of “we the people” of these here united states.
this debt bs is just another political side show melodrama to keep “we the people” divided.
-it will be used as a tool to produce a bunch of meaningless talking and “panic” points to corral your brain into excepting even more delusional lies from the psychopaths you’ve elected into office, -as truths.
a “non-problem”, to cause a “non-reaction” from you, so the shills on the hill can present you with yet another “non-solution” to make you feel none the better in the long term.
(this is where are now from the last set of problem-reaction -solution canned and fabricated BS you swallowed last year)
-understand?
until we dump all “party” systems and act as one people, we will remain divided and nothing will ever change, -ever.
this is by design. if you doubt it, look up the etymology of “party” http://etymonline.com/index.php?search=party&searchmode=none
divide and conquer is the oldest game in the book and we have been falling for it for centuries..
if we want to change “our reality?” -the simple first step to begin with is to change the language in which we use to describe it.
once you *understand* how this works, you will then understand why “changing the narrative” and symbolism is such an important tool to the politicos in D.C and the media.
once you understand how to see the subliminals in the language used, you will no longer be “a subject” to its power.
-you will also then know how to get things done for “the people” -and not the faceless, soulless mega-corp “people” entities..
-the decision has always been up to us, and us alone. it’s called free will people. use it wisely.
-s
Want to do something about the debt?
http://againstamnesty.com
#7, We work for all of those things. Those responsible, in your opinion, pay the taxes and make the sacrifices.
Did the American People vote to go to war in Iraq? Some question whether or not G.W. Bush was even legally elected in 2000. Americans are pawns to their political leaders, with little to do, but accept the fate given to use by our leaders. The folks we elected to run our country failed us, it is that simple. If voting actually changed anything, the police state, would make that illegal. America is a nation in decline and the people, as a whole, are not to blame.
#10 then I must be full of Shit, because you say so.
#20..8 Years? I thought it was 12.
There is a reason Clinton had a balanced budget and Bush and Obama don’t. The economy. Clinton was lucky enough to be President during the dot com bubble and the goverment had plenty of income. Bush and Obama didn’t have such luck.
Unfortuatly unlike like regular entities the US government doesn’t cut back when income drops.
What to do? The graph doesn’t fit my dogma.
This is useless. We are too divided. One side presents numbers and the other denies it with other numbers. Nobody has prove and everybody yells at each other and calls them a liar…. HOW CAN WE FIX THIS? Isn’t this the question? How can we become one country again? AMERICA! Will there be a civil war? Is there a reset button from before Clinton where we all were able to discuss issues and respect the president whoever it is. Geez! I was upper middleclass and now with the same income am lower middleclass and sinking. I WOULD PAY more taxes to fix this. Stop the damn wars, get out of other countries except is we make money there and not loose money. Whatever it is…. fix it! Please and stop the damn fighting. We are Americans!
#11 logic, but do you blame that person for the 20U in debt after he leaves office as well?
By the logic of this chart, the true culprit is JFK or LBJ. Kennedy inherited a 91% tax rate, and after his death they cut this to 70%. With a 91% tax rate, we would have trillions more in income tax revenue every year.
This chart reminds me of the global warming “scientists” who disregard facts that don’t support their theory, create charts with off-centered starting points in order to get the hockey stick, and or just outright lie.
The joys of using “facts” to lie your ass off.
How did these cards ever form a house? i guess ammunition is holding it up
Fact: The chart doesn’t fit my dogma.
Logical conclusion: The chart must be wrong. I won’t even bother to analyze it.
Logical conclusion 2: I must have some form of cognitive dissonance.
“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.” — Emerson
>> dusanmal said, on July 27th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
>> Graph with fundamental lies, worst of which is counting Obama Administration spending from 1/2009 to 9/2009 as “Bush sending”.
So, the the Obama Administration passed the 2009 budget before they were even elected?
How does that work?
>> Than, picking and choosing what exactly was debt spending (ex. 3T$ in Bush tax cuts… vs. any of SPENDING during his era. Not getting the money is NOT debt.
Tax give-aways is debt.
A very effective rebuttal to Uncle Dave’s chart:
http://goo.gl/Z4FPr
#56 those charts are a reinforcement of Uncle Dave’s chart, not a rebuttal.
That’s a perfect site, Jbenson2.
Very well presented.
Also notice above that GregAllen, the head of a Billion dollar company (I DO believe), is a complete idiot.
I guess he doesn’t understand the chart I posted.
I guess he doesn’t understand that congress holds the pocketbook and doles out the money.
I guess he doesn’t understand the spending binge started when Dems took over congress in 2007.
I guess he can’t understand something as simple as this. (again)
http://conservativedailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/debt-to-gdp-2002-2012.jpg
The pre-Bush era debt was 5 trillion. Where is that on this chart?
Charts and numbers aside, I wonder if any NO NEW TAXES people posting in excess here (you know who you are, and so do we) would care to opine on what the actual bottom line issue is:
Do you support the provision of medical and retirement income benefits “basically” at the level they are provided now or for whatever reasons do they need to be cut? Why?
Cuts thru a lot of the BS. Few will answer. Everyone not answering is a shill.
VOTE ALL “NO NEW TAXES” POLITICIANS OUT OF OFFICE.
I’ve said this before and I will say it again, although the brain dead can’t comprehend, (or they don’t WANT to comprehend?? Better to be slaves to the DEM masters?)
“Founded in 1984 by the late industrialist J. Peter Grace and syndicated columnist Jack Anderson, CAGW is the follow-on organization to President Ronald Reagan’s Private Sector Survey on Cost Control, also known as the Grace Commission. In 1982, President Reagan directed the Grace Commission to “work like tireless bloodhounds to root out government inefficiency and waste of tax dollars.” For two years, 161 corporate executives and community leaders led an army of 2,000 volunteers on a waste hunt throughout the federal government. Funded entirely by voluntary contributions of $76 million from the private sector, the search cost taxpayers nothing. The Grace Commission made 2,478 recommendations which, if implemented, would save $424.4 billion over three years, an average of $141.5 billion a year – all without eliminating essential services. The 47 volumes and 21,000 pages of the Grace Commission Report constitute a vision of an efficient, well-managed government that is accountable to taxpayers.”
http://uhuh.com/taxstuff/gracecom.htm
That was $141.5 billion a year in 1984!
And this should answer any further questions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Peter_Grace
Of course, it’s a link, so I don’t expect certain people to follow. I certainly don’t expect the brain dead “we need more taxes” Dem zombies to see the truth.
Ah Yea–for those of us on a schedule, can you link directly to the list of any SPECIFICS is found? Getting rid of waste fraud abuse ineffective redundant programs is not very informative. I assume there is some actual information somewhere, but it is hidden.
Hard to believe money is actually wasted.
Gee, an hour and no takers? Ha, ha. No takers of a challenge==but all happy to take from the most disadvantaged of society.
Show me a Rich Man or a Puke, and I’ll show you a sh*t head hypocritical lying sack of sh*t. Yes, thats a lot of sh*t. (* to avoid filters).
Argue the heart of the matter or recognize the idiocy of your position. Otherwise you have been captured and are repeating mindless DOGMA!!!
I googled (chart “wealth disparity”) and found this:
http://businessinsider.com/15-charts-about-wealth-and-inequality-in-america-2010-4#half-of-america-has-25-of-the-wealth-2
Should concern everyone.
VOTE ALL “NO NEW TAXES” POLITICIANS OUT OF OFFICE.
Here is a “list.” Don’t know how valid it is, but its food for thought:
These are all the programs that the new Republican House has proposed cutting.
Corporation for Public Broadcasting Subsidy. $445 million annual savings.
Save America’s Treasures Program. $25 million annual savings.
International Fund for Ireland. $17 million annual savings.
Legal Services Corporation. $420 million annual savings.
National Endowment for the Arts. $167.5 million annual savings.
National Endowment for the Humanities. $167.5 million annual savings.
Hope VI Program. $250 million annual savings.
Amtrak Subsidies. $1.565 billion annual savings.
Eliminate duplicative education programs. H.R. 2274 (in last Congress), authored by Rep. McKeon, eliminates 68 at a savings of $1.3 billion annually.
U.S. Trade Development Agency. $55 million annual savings.
Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy. $20 million annual savings.
Cut in half funding for congressional printing and binding. $47 million annual savings.
John C. Stennis Center Subsidy. $430,000 annual savings.
Community Development Fund. $4.5 billion annual savings.
Heritage Area Grants and Statutory Aid. $24 million annual savings.
Cut Federal Travel Budget in Half. $7.5 billion annual savings.
Trim Federal Vehicle Budget by 20%. $600 million annual savings.
Essential Air Service. $150 million annual savings.
Technology Innovation Program. $70 million annual savings.
Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) Program. $125 million annual savings.
Department of Energy Grants to States for Weatherization. $530 million annual savings.
Beach Replenishment. $95 million annual savings.
New Starts Transit. $2 billion annual savings.
Exchange Programs for Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, and Their Historical Trading Partners in Massachusetts . $9 million annual savings.
Intercity and High Speed Rail Grants. $2.5 billion annual savings.
Title X Family Planning. $318 million annual savings.
Appalachian Regional Commission. $76 million annual savings.
Economic Development Administration. $293 million annual savings.
Programs under the National and Community Services Act. $1.15 billion annual savings.
Applied Research at Department of Energy. $1.27 billion annual savings.
FreedomCAR and Fuel Partnership. $200 million annual savings.
Energy Star Program. $52 million annual savings.
Economic Assistance to Egypt . $250 million annually.
U.S. Agency for International Development. $1.39 billion annual savings.
General Assistance to District of Columbia . $210 million annual savings.
Subsidy for Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority. $150 million annual savings.
Presidential Campaign Fund. $775 million savings over ten years.
No funding for federal office space acquisition. $864 million annual savings.
End prohibitions on competitive sourcing of government services. Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act. More than $1 billion annually.
IRS Direct Deposit: Require the IRS to deposit fees for services it offers (such as processing payment plans for taxpayers) to the Treasury, instead of allowing payments to remain as part of its budget. $1.8 billion savings over ten years.
Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees. $1 billion total savings.
Prohibit taxpayer funded union activities by federal employees. $1.2 billion savings over ten years.
Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of. $15 billion total savings.
Eliminate Mohair Subsidies. $1 million annual savings.
Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. $12.5 million annual savings.
Eliminate Market Access Program. $200 million annual savings.
USDA Sugar Program. $14 million annual savings.
Subsidy to Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).$93 million annual savings.
Eliminate the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program. $56.2 million annual savings.
Eliminate fund for Obamacare administrative costs. $900 million savings.
Ready to Learn TV Program. $27 million savings.
Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress.
HUD Ph.D. Program.
Deficit Reduction Check-Off Act
TOTAL SAVINGS: $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years
Good for you bobbo!
Now THAT’S more like it. Kudos.
Now add this:
“More than 1000 US Bases and/or Military Installations … In total, there are 255,065 US military personnel deployed Worldwide … These facilities include a total of 845,441 different buildings and equipments. … Adding to the bases inside U.S. territory, the total land area occupied by US military bases domestically within the US and internationally is of the order of 2,202,735 hectares, which makes the Pentagon one of the largest landowners worldwide.”
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5564
And nobody, but NOBODY can actually say with certainly just how much this actually costs. The daily operation, servicing, etc.
I bet it’s in the upper hundreds of billions, if not trillions.
The Pentagon makes GM look like a lemonade stand.
Ah Yea–thank you. Just to be clear, I wasn’t thinking of you when I wrote about the most disadvantaged among us. But I was thinking of Pedro.
Pure coincidence you both posted.
I wonder how this would change the US economy?
If the loons would ever let it happen. (Not likely)
“you can burn the expensive fuel. You can burn the cheap fuel. You can burn the waste that the fuel produces. And you can even burn the much more dangerous waste produced by other types of reactors. There’s enough leftover U-238 just sitting around to power our entire country for centuries, and by extracting uranium from seawater (which is apparently easy to do), you could provide power to the entirety of civilization until our planet falls into the sun. Or at least, for about a million years.”
One million years of clean energy, for everyone on the planet?
Nah, the environmental death dealers won’t allow it. (They must all be working for the oil companies!)
http://dvice.com/archives/2011/07/traveling-wave.php
If you can devise a method of labeling your opponent as being bad and wrong in some manner, and repeat that endlessly in such a way that it becomes the first thing a majority of people associate with your opponent, then you have gained significant political ground.
Now, if you can do all that while actually BEING that awful thing you accused your opponent of, then, my son, you are a Republican!