Chris Hansen, known for his “To Catch a Predator” series of reports for “Dateline NBC,” has been caught on hidden camera himself in what is could turn out to be a compromising situation. Hansen, 52 and a married father of two, was secretly videotaped June 24 arriving at the Ritz-Carlton’s Angle restaurant allegedly with Kristyn Caddell, 30, according to the National Enquirer, which has the footage posted on its website. A “romantic dinner” ensued at the Manalapan, Fla., restaurant, according to an Enquirer source.
Cameras filmed them driving back to Caddell’s Palm Beach apartment, where they didn’t emerge until 8 the next morning, the story alleges. Caddell, who works for a local TV news station, then reportedly drove him to the airport, according to the tabloid.
I dunno, seems like interesting irony since Hansen was a huge holier-than-thou defender of the set-up and the hidden camera. Oooops.
Irony, yes.
Do I care? No. Two consenting adults, not my business. However, if she made a porn vid then it’s my business. 😉
It is a matter of moral relativism vs absolutism.
In Greece, during their enlightened period thousands of years ago, they gave birth to all kinds of ideas, including sex with minors. For some reason that I don’t understand, the Greeks thought homosexual sex with young boys was was a legitimate cutlural behaviour. Things existed like this for some time. “Cheating” on ones loved one has also existed in the past.
Moral relativisim has allowed and condemned these behaviors during various periods of human history.
If Greg Allen wishes to take a position, then the force of his argument depends on moral foundation on which he stands. Moral relativism is one of the weakest foundations I can think of.
Wrong is wrong, and mistakes should have a reasonable punishment. However, humans lack the clarity of thought to make reasonable judgements about anything IMHE. Cultural pressure is the only thing that keeps us from acting like crazy monkeys.
What–your entire argument is about the power of moral relativism yet you conclude with the conflicting “wrong is wrong.”
IOW–yes, Man on Boy sex was viewed as acceptable in Ancient Greece and so it was NOT WRONG. Today, just the opposite.
There is no right and wrong besides the moral relativism as determined by your group of monkeys.
Just remember that sex with monkeys is wrong, Wrong, WRONG! There is however, more leeway with sheep for some reason.
Bobbo, there is a lot of leeway even in modern human culture. The age of consent is 14 in China and Brazil, and it is 13 in Spain.
I have illustrated an absolutist stance by saying “Wrong is wrong”.
But more importantly, I followed up with, “Let the punishment fit the crime”.
Let me give a less salacious example:
About 30 Muslims had a hand in attacking the US on 9/11.
About 3000 Americans died on 9/11.
About 300000 Muslims were killed in revenge for 9/11.
About 300000000 Americans are thought to be at risk because of the revenge for 9/11?
Both sides think they are morally justified by past actions.
(okay, I’m making this all up for effect)
Observer–an American show for American viewers about American Laws about American minors and American Adults. I’ll let you fit China and Brazil into that matrix.
What: is the effect? I’m missing it. All morals are relative. Thats because the universe is a meaningless place and we humans make morals up out of thin air.
Life is like that.
lol Bobbo, the point is if you want to have sex with a 13 year old move to Spain
Morals do exist, they are real. However, they aren’t always known.
Taxed would say morals come from God, as expressed in his favorite holy book. This of course is nonsense.
Morals are the product of experience.
I think Even animals have been shown to show a sense of morality in their cultures.
We sometimes act morally because we think there are societal consequences, that will not necessarily result in punishement, if we do the wrong thing.
That our immoral behaviour harms an efficiently operating society.
And that is why Hansen is a jackass. He lost his moral compass, after so publicly uphodling the societal morals and making his name (and money) being a moral champion.
As soon as Hansen was tempted, he appears to given into temptation.
Yet he had no sympathy for those who couldn’t control their temptation.
I hope his wife gets a fair settlement.
Observer–oh! Ha, ha. That went over my head, under my gonads, or whatever you think fits.
Who would want to do that? I guess its much like why I would never rape a woman near my own age: what would you talk about afterwards?
….and as you will note, once again, I miss the dynamic entirely.
But then, what aren’t I missing these days?
What–morals exist because we humans make them up. Alfie says they come from religion, but “science” tells us they by an large come from Darwinian evolution, the human species having many morals the same as other apes==all for the continuation of our species what with long childhoods requiring stable families for nurturing to reproductive age. So, genes transmitting information later transferred to spoken and written words of culture taking on that role. And thats why there is no “universal” moral code. Lots of overlap, but nothing set in stone. Murder, incest, theft, lying==all on the drop down menu in one culture or another.
Just as electromagnitism existed, undiscovered by humans until the invention of some physics, wire and electrical energy, I claim Universal Morals exist in an undiscovered state, to be discovered through experience. These can be quite complex, and only known after mistakes in judgement are made.
Humans may make up morals out of thin air, but those morals lack the substance than is generated from careful examination and thought.
This is why children can not decide to do things adults can do. They lack the “experimental” experience to make sound moral judgements. They may have ideas, and claim to “understand” things, but they haven’t connect experience to mistakes to action into their immature brains.
What—well, you know what they call people who more than believe in things that can’t be proven, but moreso believe in things where the evidence flatly contradicts them?
Thats right.
Part of Alfies Flying Circus. I’ll look for you next trip thru town.
Whatever you ignorant 15 year old douchbag.
# 33 bobbo Just remember that sex with monkeys is wrong, Wrong, WRONG! There is however, more leeway with sheep for some reason.
Sheep don’t complain
Monkeys have teeth.
Mr Fog–I see you are a man of refined culture and experience. Yes, those teeth.
Does remind me of the joke about 5 years before the mast and having sex on the island of sheep.
Long joke–punchline is the guy picked the most ugly sheep. Funny when you have the time to tell it.
A lot of big fans of adultry hanging out here..interesting. I guess moral relativism is big with a few of you. “How can you compare someone who killed 15 people with someone who killed 35 people!”
As for all the pedophiles Hansen supposedly nabbed…how many actually committed a crime? It was all pre-crime. Half of the guys caught were literally retarded. One guy was caught twice! And yes, they were douchebags just like Hansen. I find setting up idiots to do crimes — aka entrapment — very similar to what con men do.
I’ll rebut JCD for my post above. I’m not a fan of adultery. I simply don’t give a rats ass that an adult (married or not) boned another adult. It has no affect on my life. I’m one of those that lives by the “leave me alone and I wont blow your house up” kind of people.
I completely agree with you about his show. It’s a bullshit entrapment/entertainment shows made for people who’s lives are so fucked up they thrive off of seeing someone else get fucked up. There’s a case right now up here in Petaluma of a guy they “busted” on that show. The thing is, he committed no actual crime. His conversations online were with other adults pretending to be under age. That’s actually not a crime.
#46 Completely agree. This Chris Hansen guy is more of a tool than I thought he was.
The whole predator chasing “show” was about commercializing the well ageless sheeple fears of the sex boogieman. Add a few ‘boy as a target’ episodes and you got a hit show!
Two consenting adults meeting for an adulterous affair is morally equivalent to pervert douche bags trying to molest teenage girls??
Wowser. You’re quite the genius, Dvorak.
#22 Dear Greg, I didn’t say a thing about sexual predators. So far as I’m aware this man has never molested a child. He’s an adulterer plain and simple. He was most like a fornicator before that. This sort of behavior is normal in his peer group so what you fussing about? I didn’t attack him for acting like his peers and I don’t understand why you are attacking me for for pointing out the obvious. This is normal behavior in his peer group. There is no story move on.
#46–JCD==you say: “It was all pre-crime.” /// No. Its against the law to proposition a minor over the internet. Illegal to send pics of your junk as well. I don’t know that for sure, but I think so. And if not, it should be. Same for an adult to drive to a minor’s house when her parents aren’t there to do…..ANYTHING.
I agree entrapment can be misused, but face it: Jail is our mental health program for retards. Why should retarded sexual predators be treated any differently?
Entrapment: everything you do is a CRIME, both morally and legally as agreed to by the vast majority of people, but it should not be prosecuted because it was a set up?
No. I don’t think so. Good police work which is why a tv show had to do it. Cops too lazy and stupid.
We actually need MORE entrapment programs.
JCD–would YOU take a car because the keys were left in it? A purse left on a park bench? Visit a child who posts “I’m into stuff, RU?” Why give retards a break?
Not saying I condone adultery either! Just saying who really cares where this man sticks his penis. It is irrelevant to me as long as it wasn’t some sort of rape (In other words consensual, and not with someone underage.). If people want to commit adultery then maybe they shouldn’t have gotten married in the first place. Remember this; in many cases adultery is not a victimless act. Someone usually always gets hurt, and that is the real crime here.
jester–name the crime. As opposed to a civil action?
#46 John C Dvorak
He is a douche if he cheated on his wife (maybe she should be able to sue for breech of contract). However, it is more like the difference between fraud (contract/trust) and rape (statutory) than 15 murders or 35, it is not about a difference in numbers it is about the ability to (legally) consent. A person that seeks out pre-pubescent children is far worse again I suspect you would agree.
I think the show is revolting and is mainly to sell adds and scare parents, but the outcome of preventing child abuse isn’t. There are shows about cheating and cheaters are assholes too.
P.P.S. He is however a hypocrite in as much as you can categorize both things as sexual misconduct.
bobbo, I used the word “crime” figuratively. It is not exactly a crime in the “legal” sense of the word. Unless you are a Puritan or a Quaker, then all bets are off.
jester==well of course, whenever something is incorrect, its only hope is to be figurative. But you framed your use of the word in the context of there being “a victim” when adultery occurs. You might want to assume it was the non-adulterous party but the crime might be just the opposite? So, the question remains: what crime? But the answer is: we don’t know. Not enough facts. We can assume facts with given assumptions to get whatever answer we want. Maybe Hansen’s wife drove him to it? The crime then would be driving without a license?
Hey–its hot and the stupidity displayed on the 911 Pentagon Conspiracy has me dispirited. 2-3 more crimes right there.