Al Qaeda confirmed the death of Osama bin Laden Friday in an Internet message that vowed revenge on the United States and its allies, including Pakistan…
Five days after President Barack Obama announced bin Laden’s death in a U.S. raid in Pakistan, al Qaeda vowed not to deviate from the path of armed struggle and said bin Laden’s blood “is more precious to us and to every Muslim than to be wasted in vain.”
“It (bin Laden’s blood) will remain, with permission from Allah the Almighty, a curse that chases the Americans and their agents, and goes after them inside and outside their countries,” the militant network said in a statement released on Islamist Internet forums and translated by SITE.
al Qaeda had to confirm or deny Bin Laden’s death. If they’re to have credibility among the fools who follow their jihad, they must identify a new fearless leader. If they are to call for revenge, they must admit to the reason for that rabid outcry.
In related news, Andrew Napolitano and Michael Scheuer maintain “the government might not be ‘telling us the truth or pulling a fast one to save Obama’s…presidency’” and Washington Times editor Emily Miller tweeted “no photo of the body. That’s what we need for proof.”
The looneybirds of the world are way too important in American politics.
Alfie, I love how you will suck up anything the Obama team says. BTW, you really haven’t figured out the foobar reference yet? Here’s a nicole kid, go buy yourself a real computer.
I need more reality that I can rely on for my daily decisions.
Back to CSI:Miami
Too easy.
BTW, the trick to catching terrorist leaders in Afganistan and Pakistan is online poker.
Obama is now acceptable to right wing nuts.
#129 Ive seen some pretty nasty Trump hair photos. This one is tame.
Do teabaggers know Trump conducted business with G’Daffy? Evidently, they also had sex.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/21/trump-i-screwed-gaddafi/#more-150973
Good link Dallas, Trump der Scheißer.
#131
Also, apparently, Trump der Ficker.
“O Allah, forgive him, have mercy on him, pardon him, grant him security, provide him a nice place and spacious lodgings, wash him (off from his sins) with water, snow and ice, purify him from his sins as a white garment is cleansed from dirt, replace his present abode with a better one, replace his present family with a better one, replace his present partner with a better one, make him enter paradise and save him from the trials of grave [sic] and the punishment of hell.”
From Bin Laden’s burial ceremony, if they followed the standard military ceremony for Muslims.
If you support this killing, then European judges will come after you.
http://spiegel.de/international/germany/a-761077.html
If a CIA created and funded outfit like Al Qaeda says so, well I guess it MUST be true.
So what if, like everything else in the Obama administration, there are just a few little mysteries here and there that somehow just can’t be resolved completely.
Like burial at sea for a Muslim and not showing the birth certificate on day one?
Now Obama’s white grandmother died under highly coincidental circumstances and now his black grandmother – the was that says she was there in Kenya when BO was born – is now “being protected” from possible Jihadi retaliation.
Riiiiiight!
IF the man is dead, shot to pieces, give me one reason why not to publish the pictures. They cannot be worse that what we see on TV every day, ‘Action News’ and CSI included.
The ever changing story of events, and what happened is only carrying petrol to the conspiracy fire. Che Guevarra lay on the table, no reason not to do the same with this horrible person, possible the most ‘ influential’ since Uncle Joe.
Now – why on earth did they kill him???
This was the Mother of Sources and would be a gold mine alive, water-boarding and all. But no, the DC-dudes decided much better with 2 to the head, and a burial at sea!
Anther proof of blatant and utter incompetence….with no concern of history, politics and culture.
130 DullAss – Trump may have screwed Qaddafi but I bet he didn’t bow to him.
#38
But we see Obama, Progressive in chief, not only has Gitmo going strong, but “enhanced interrogation” information was relied upon to get Osama.
Actually no. The people we waterboarded did not give up OBL’s position from those interrogations. It was later, non-tortured interrogations in which they gave up the information.
#108
Panetta said waterboarding did materially aid his capture, so did others who know what they are talking about.
Another swing and a miss. Panetta never said anything of the sort. What he said is that they had multiple sources with regards to OBL location. That some of the detainees provided some information and that some of those were waterboarded. He did not say whether the information received specifically from their torture was the information that was useful. Further, he also said that whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches is going to be an open question.
#139, keep trying. We have one suspect located because he made a call that was wiretapped, another kept at a black site, another was one of the 3 who were waterboarded.
But hey, if the guy being waterboarded doesn’t immediately tell you where Bin Laden is, and wear a wire to help you out, the operation was a failure.
The Obama-bashers will never achnowledge him doing anything worthwhile. He could rescue a small child in front of a crowd and these (hyperpartisan and/or racist and/or idiot) asshats would say he did it for the publicity, or some other venal reason. Actions speak louder thn words, however, and these idiots are on the wrong side of history.
In #117 Mr, Ed – the Original (with comma) said: Its almost like they WANT to give the wingnuts some crazy food.
If you want to make the opposition as unpalatable as possible, give them some bat shit crazy theory to hold on to as if their very lives depended on it, like the wing-nut proponents of a Flat Earth, or Creationism or Communism*.
You want these people to hang onto something that is clearly unpalatable.
*Okay, Communism is working fine in China where they have some justification for it.
once again usa screws up. why kill him when we could have taken him hostage. If that happened, we would have al-queda by the balls. instead we sent 2 dozen of our finest to kill less than a handful of people, all the while needing to blow up our own chopper, lmao.
meanwhile, whack jobs in the usa, think the government is lying about obl’s death, and want proof of photos. oh boy………. i blame our eventually decline from the terrible education system.
>Smart lady but she should go back to playing the piano and appreciate how adults are now in office.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TCOMX5OCFwQ
#140
#139, keep trying. We have one suspect located because he made a call that was wiretapped, another kept at a black site, another was one of the 3 who were waterboarded.
You are proving my point. Waterboarding had nothing to do with getting the information. Tapping their communication did. The onus is on you to convince us that torture was the reason for getting the information and nothing else nor was there any other means than torture (not that this matters from an ethical standpoint).
But hey, if the guy being waterboarded doesn’t immediately tell you where Bin Laden is, and wear a wire to help you out, the operation was a failure.
If waterboarding doesn’t tell you what you wanted then waterboarding isn’t effective. However, capturing, interrogating and tapping their communication is most definitely not a failure and not in question.
>capturing, interrogating and tapping their communication is most definitely not a failure and not in question.
Actually all of those things are in question for liberals. In this case, the communications were with someone in the US. ‘Spying on Americans’ allowed this operation to happen. One person interrogated at a black site, so rendition allowed this operation to happen. One person apprehended in Iraq, so in this case capturing is also a problem.
You are also just being desperate in saying waterboarding isn’t effective if you don’t get all the information you wanted. If you got some information you wanted, you have come out ahead. In this case, if you take away the information gleaned from waterboarding, you are missing some links in the chain that led to this kill.
MikeN,
Fact: Bush had three times as long to get Bin Laden and couldn’t.
#108, Alphie,
#105 “foobar” is a good handle for you.
Panetta said waterboarding did materially aid his capture, so did others who know what they are talking about.
Go ahead, believe the bull Rush is spouting. Panetta NEVER said anything of the kind. He is on record as saying he is firmly against any form of torture.
So Tea Bagerish to make up your own facts. That partially explains why you’re such a dickhead.
Pedro,
Actually information from torture was marginal at best. The best intel came from SIGINT (my old field, BTW) and intelligence analysis of logistics, phone traffice, and other information not obtained by people getting tortured.
Torture is useless. It is unreliable, as pain is not an indicator of truth, it is an indicator of how much pain a person is in. Torture is also counter-productive, as it only gives our enemies recruitment aguments as well as justification to act as they do because we are no better. Torture serves nobody but sadists and revenge junkies. Look at the Gitmo Wikileaks stuff for ample evidence that our efforts in that direction have been more than useless.
We are the good guys, and if we do not act as such we are as bad as those we wish to thwart.
>Fact: Bush had three times as long to get Bin Laden and couldn’t.
Yup. He needed a little longer for the right person to make a phone call, and lucky for him he still had the authority, partly because Senator Obama had flipflopped on the issue by then and voted in favor of wiretapping.
>Torture is useless.
Simple minded analysis. We already know useful information came from waterboarding and other ‘harsh interrogation tactics’.
#147
First, your labels are misplaced. As most who have seen my posts would attest, I am not liberal. Second, one does not have to be/not be liberal to see that waterboarding is torture and therefore against US and international law. If black ops guys are going to get the green light to commit torture, it better be absolutely and unquestionably effective beyond any doubt whatsoever otherwise the risk does not equal the rewards. Third, Pennetta himself has said that waterboarding is torture and not effective.
If you got some information you wanted, you have come out ahead.
No sir. The ends do not justify the means.
In this case, if you take away the information gleaned from waterboarding, you are missing some links in the chain that led to this kill.
You are overlooking what Pennetta said about the op. We had many sources that gave us the information and the information from detainees was only one small part. Furthermore, since we have been told that it is not the case that all detainees were waterboarded and that it is logical to assume that some information we gleaned from detainees was due to other interrogation techniques, we also have to conclude that the information we got as a direct result of waterboarding was even smaller.
Beyond being immoral and reprehensible, trying to defend waterboarding as the reason we nailed Bin Laden is ludicrous.
#152
>Torture is useless.
>>Simple minded analysis. We already know useful information
>>came from waterboarding and other ‘harsh interrogation tactics’.
I’ll take simple-minded over delusional and psychotic any day. What tangible and unequivocal evidence do you have for that claim? Since multiple experts have come out and stated that the information derived under torture is often wrong and at best questionable, I find your claim empty.
Let’s look at this another way, if you think that waterboarding is acceptable and effective, why not electro-shock therapy? Why not vivisection? Do the ends justify the method in order to get information?
>Do the ends justify the method in order to get information?
Well now that is a very different statement from ‘torture never works.’
#155
Not really. I never suggested those techniques were effective. I’m merely curious if any boundary may be crossed in your Quixotic quest for information?
>Since multiple experts have come out and stated that the information derived under torture is often wrong and at best questionable, I find your claim empty.
Actually, plenty of experts have come out the other way. Like the people who looked at what information was learned due to these methods. After looking at the actual results rather than lefty talking points, they concluded that they did not want this tool removed from their arsenal. You would think the people at the CIA would have realized it if their questioning wasn’t achieving anything. But instead, they think it can yield good info. Will you get bad info? Sure. That’s not the same as saying it never works.
>I’m merely curious if any boundary may be crossed in your Quixotic quest for information?
Maybe. Waterboarding probably crosses that boundary as well. Then again, if I thought someone knew something important, I would probably change my mind on the spot and support torture to get the info I needed. Preference would be towards other means. By the way, this is what happened. No one was waterboarded or tortured at Gitmo, and Rumsfeld never approved of any such tactics, only harsh interrogation methods.