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Mickey–you had us already at where the cookie came from. You keep piling the stupid on like this and many will start to think you are a shill for the other side.
You aren’t a shill are you Mickey?
Yes, ideas that are popular labels for things that are mostly opposite are in the minds of shills just the same thing.
Silly child.
Its no longer even a difference of opinion, MikeN just stopped making sense.
All rich are progressives? All progressives are rich? I don’t care what side of the ideological line you fall on, the above is just nonsense.
MiGu, you stumbled onto the real problem: the rich feel they are entitled.
In other words, I got mine, screw you. Generally a tolerable mindset, until we start talking about larger economic models and the founding father’s plans for this country. Not to mention Jeebus (but I will) who is 180 degrees from your perspective also, just so you know.
Our blessed little kiddies even make the slave mentality “cute:”
http://jokeroo.com/videos/funny/5-year-old-needs-job.html
Not mine I pulled from another site but I like it. Just to be clear I am not a union member as Missouri state employees with a couple of exceptions are nonunion.
A Day in the Life of a Conservative
Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards.
He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and for them to work as advertised.
Joe takes his morning shower, reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree- hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards.
Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union.
If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dad’s; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards.
He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electricity until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republicans would still be sitting in the dark)
He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.
He turns on a radio talk show. The host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good (He doesn’t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day). Joe agrees, “We don’t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.”
Yes, and admirable liebertards like Guyver will read post#40 and agree completely with the last line. Everything before the last line is “a given” and part of the natural world.
The position does not withstand analysis, the default being it is an emotional position reached for emotional reasons==none of them admirable from what I can see:
“I’ve got mine, screw you.”
I will be that the info in that pic is 100% factually true and definitely something to consider in future elections. However, it is also a red herring with respect to the current union debacle. Nobody would have cared about this unless Gov Walker weren’t otherwise in the public eye, and I will go out on a limb and say that it is only being brought up in an attempt to distract from the real issue and invent controversy.
One good thing about Katrina, it allowed the state to take the schools away from the New Orleans school board and kick the teachers unions in the ass. The schools have never been better. Children are actually learning something.
I joined a union once but not by choice. When I was offered the job the union rep. came around and told me I didn’t have to join (wink, wink) but they would stage a walkout if the company hired me and I was not a member.
Loved unions ever since, almost as much as Progressives.
#3 “Doesn’t make it right, but what ya gonna do?”
You have to put a flashlight on the bad actors.
Sale of state property, especially during a deep property down trend, is a horrible idea. This is national and it’s many programs. Roads, parking enforcement rights, and other municipal services.
A big cash payment allows a pol to get a year or two of leeway before making cuts or leaving office, often in exchange for giving up several decades of revenues.
Sweetheart deals with the Devil.
#30 “If the CEO saves that disproportionately large share by taking the money he was paying his american workers and giving a small fraction of it to chinese/indian/etc workers, why isn’t he entitled to it?”
That would be okay, even with your sneering tone. Problem is, the results aren’t there.
The extreme rise in CEO pay went hand in hand with a boom in corporate reorganizations, which mostly served to generate fees for lawyers and payouts for executives.
The results don’t speak for themselves.
As a union member I’m going to say the unions outspent any outsiders. If you have evidence to the contrary feel free to share.
The deal the governor is offering seems to be in line with and in fact even more generous that what FDR and Carter thought was good for Fed government workers. Carter signed off on the current laws so feel free to check them out.
I know it’s a matter of state law but I’ve been wondering if a government worker ends up getting canned because some law makers refused to show up to make a quorum if the terminated worker could win a settlement from the people that refused to carry out their duties?
Please note this is not a partisan question. I’m wondering if a law maker decides to do a no show to prevent legislation if they could be held liable for any damages that ensue?
I also wonder if they might not be in some sort of breach of contract. If you run for the job and take an oath of Office I would have assumed you had an obligation to perform your duties unless you resigned, died or were seriously sick or some such.
This could leave you liable to damages claims from a lot of people or even the government.
It will be interesting to see if somebody decides to put this to the test.
Instead of going after government employee unions (which people seem to think are equivalent to private unions) directly, he should have just started out by introducing a “right to work” measure.
If state workers think they should have a right to form a collusive lobby to squeeze benefits from the taxpayers who don’t have a seat at the negotiating table, then they shouldn’t be protected from competition through laws requiring all employees join the union.
It’s all good, this is no big deal. The Koch brothers don’t need to pay ANY taxes because they are rich and they provide jobs for people in Wisconsin. They are good for Wisconsin. If the rich pay no taxes, they have all that money to spend on hiring, and that’s what they do, you know. Least that’s what we’ve been told by the Republicans.
1924: Stalin bans all free trade unions and outlaws strikes.
1929: Mussolini guts trade unions and puts them under corporate and government control.
1933: Hitler abolishes collective bargaining, trade unions and arrests their leaders.
Money doesn’t buy elections. Otherwise McMan would have won in CT and Scott Brown would have lost.
Today people skip over advertisments. The whole ad industry is dissolving.
Take Tivo, pvr’s, ad blocking software on the internet, pausing live radio and the list goes on and on.
If someone wants to know about a candidate they can just go to their websites. To assume that people can’t is foolish in 2011
#46 The ability to protest legislative action through control of the quorum is an intended part of the rules. Otherwise why have a quorum? If there’s enough votes to win the day, what does it matter if the minority doesn’t show? Its in there on purpose.
Lincoln tried to flee the capitol once to prevent a quorum. This is not unprecedented.
The Wisconsin Senators *are* doing their jobs. They are serving there constituents, and the best interests of Wisconsin at large.
Here in a couple of weeks, the Wisconsin leader of the Senate will declare those 14 seats vacant and they will have quorum.
I didn’t see the part on the chart about how the teachers union spent $50 million getting democrats elected, who then in turn, give them outrageous benefits packages paid for by the taxpayers.
In the real world that’s known as collusion and is corrupt, but that’s a good description of both parties to the scam
Its funny how some people only see money as a corrupting influence when it funds something they don’t like.
Money is “speech”, unless its for liberals, then its corruption.
Hypocrisy.
Another less discussed point:
If public employee unions are so evil, why are police and firemen exempt? Do only the people who support Walker deserve the right to bargain for compensation?
tcc3, it is you with a warped view that is a common misconception, that the rich are all eager capitalists. It is the wealthy that bankroll these progressive movements, because it tends to give more power to the wealthy. Give the poor a little bit, but make sure they can’t come up and challenge the wealthy. #49 showed how the left eliminated independent trade unions. Put everything in collusion with the businesses and government, and make sure the workers stay down. I personally know some very wealthy people who were communists. One had his workers formed a union and went on strike, so he eliminated the whole factory.
Mike #56: I wasn’t the one making equivalences, or all encompassing statements, you did:
“# 32 MikeN said, on March 1st, 2011 at 12:38 pm
>choose to be ruled by the Rich or by Progressives
Those are the same thing.”
Sure there are rich progressive donors. I never said there weren’t.
Please explain how busting labor unions, marginalizing public education, vilifying public employees, removing protective business regulation, crippling useful government services, funding useless military pork and foreign wars, and running roughshod over civil rights doesn’t make sure the poor “can’t come up and challenge the wealthy”
“#49 showed how the left eliminated independent trade unions.”
Are you even paying attention? Are labor unions bad or not? So you’re against unions, but if a leftist dictator breaks them, then they were ok? Also Hitler and Mussolini were Fascists, a rightward movement.
“Put everything in collusion with the businesses and government, and make sure the workers stay down.”
Funny, that’s what this very thread is about. And the players are from the right.
By the way, even FDR said public sector unions are a bad idea.
Like I said, it’s felony corruption, conspiracy, abuse of government power and racketeering. What’s the penalty for that ?
Is this a capital offense yet? Electric chair?
Let’s ask the Supreme Court, or what is now the “board of directors”.
This too will some day be dealt the wrath of the people. We will have our own middle east like sewer backup like the one that’s happening in that cesspool.
“Like I said, it’s felony corruption, conspiracy, abuse of government power and racketeering.”
Yeah, the government employee unions “bargaining” with politicians with political support in return for taxpayer funded benefits. Glad you see the light.
Why not just resign ourselves to the fact that we are, in fact, slaves to big corporations, and give all of our money to them, before they take it from us, one way or another?
I’m wondering when these protesters are going to picket Barack Obama? The deal he is giving federal workers is much worse than what people in Wisconsin will get, even if this bill passes. Why aren’t they going after Obama’s refusal to let federal workers collectively bargain, thanks to the influence of George Soros?
From Wikipedia:
“Confusion over whether fascism is of the left or right is due to the inability to fit the economic policies into a clear-cut category, because while fascism is considered on the right politically, fascist economic controls were left-wing, though ended up benefiting social groups considered to be supportive of right-wing parties”
Alternatively we could just keep assuming that everything is as black and white as “everything abhorrent must be a leftist plot.”
Dogma is great for bumper stickers and lousy for in depth understanding.
Government employees should not be “bargaining” with other government employees over money that is not theirs.
There is no taxpayer involved in the equation. It is wrong. There should not be public sector unions at all, with the exception of police and firemen that have hazardous occupations.
I support unions for certain situations like skilled labor in the private sector. But the idea of public sector unions for desk jobs and paper-pushers is insane.