Gifford was among those in Arizona whose offices were targeted with vandalism and threats during the health care debate in 2009.
(via @nytjim)Giffords was also one of the lawmakers Sarah Palin “set her sights on” in the Palin PAC infographic below (takebackthe20.com). The congresswoman and others are targeted with simulated gun sights on a map of the United States.
Despite putting a “target” on Giffords and asking her fellow nutjobs to find a “solution” to the congresswoman, Palin had this to say about the tragedy:
My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today’s tragic shooting in Arizona.
On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice.
Michael Moore asked this via Twitter:
If a Detroit Muslim put a map on the web w/crosshairs on 20 pols, then 1 of them got shot, where would he b sitting right now? Just asking.
Update Jan 9, 2010:
According to ABC News Palin denies “she meant the graphic over the districts to look like a gun sight.”
Rebecca Mansour, a spokesperson for SarahPac said, “We never ever, ever intended it to be gun sights.”
#27, I am sure Hitler said the same thing about the Jews. Or Stalin about anyone who did not agree with him.
I find it funny how people like you are all in favor of free speech, but the moment that speech is does not agree with their own, you want to start rounding people up and putting them in jail.
Perhaps, after you are done rounding up people in the media you will start rounding up people in congress that don’t agree with you. After all they are much more dangerous than anyone in the media.
But I shouldn’t be surprised, you are just a typical leftist.
Palin should be executed. In Texas they would execute her (if she was black).
Bob–aren’t you supposed to be out drinking with your buds? Holding court in your specified non sophisticated ways, yet you come back here to argue?
Argue.
Lets see, who said what about arguing again?
Ha, ha.
Not to project too much sophistication on you Bob, but do you make any distinction between free speech and incitement to murder? If so, what is that distinction?
“Schizophrenics don’t need politics to drive them insane.”
Yep.
BTW, the culprit’s reading list doesn’t contain any Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh. He’s everywhere and nowhere. From his YouTube page:
“I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We …The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.”
#2 – Agree
#6 – Follow your own advise and ‘Make love to your wife. Read a book. Seriously, dude. Get a life’.
#36–Lou==HEY!!! Thats my reading list except for “Meno” whatever that is. He’s 22 years old. I don’t care what the truth is, I know its drugs and rock and roll updated with Role Playing and Video Games.
Nuff said. or, == too bad he didn’t yell out: “Stop the intergenerational theft!”
Ha, ha. That would have been a good one. Thats the trouble with schzoids – no sense of humor.
#26
The wider question remains: in a perfect world of our own constraints, would an ad like Palins be illegal?
Absolutely not. In a perfect world, security folks would have come forward to lambaste Palin for making such a stupid statement, but she would still be free to make it. Freedom of speech means that people have the freedom to say things without considering the consequences. In a perfect world, this incident would have been caught and this guy would have received treatment but Palin would be free to make her statement. Anything less than that, and we go down the slippery slope.
Ahhh Thomas who will not use names===perfect is as perfect describes as a non slippery spot in positioning is not to be found.
answer the question, don’t pester irrelevantly.
No, she got re-elected.
Is somebody hate mongering? Looks like it.
#40
Actually, I did answer the question with the first two words of my response or did you not actually get that far?
Since you have a habit of revising your name per post especially to something ridiculous long, it is simpler just to refer to the post to which I’m replying.
Someone shot after others made not very veiled statements advocating that someone shoot her… no connection whatsoever!
#43.
I’m all for Palin being president. Its not like she’ll be there long, she’ll quit about half way through like she did before. LOL!!! Hell I’ll even vote for the stupid slot! I’d LOVE to see Todd at the inaugural jeans and a MACK Truck hat.
Now go cry and snitch on someone.
Whoa there – they have Mack truck caps?
I’ll vote for ’em.
Gabrielle Gifford and the Federal Judge had it coming. Congress and our political “machine” is turning this country to crap. Inflation by unregulated FED, BAILOUTS, Tax cuts for the RICH, soldiers (middle class/poor) killed for lies that are based on corporations and the rich wanting oil holdings in the middle east, Wikileaks showing the evil nature of our government like spying, public and federal employees earning more than private, the Chinese, Russians and previously many of the Middle East dropped the US dollar, mainstream news like CNN, MSNBC avoid topics like these in mainstream media, this young man was brave.
As for the one victim a 10 year old child, I do not condone hurting a child, ever, but things are going to get worse before getting better, if possible at this point. For those about to take on the WRONGDOERS, I understand but please watch out for the children. As adults, we all got it coming, like in the movie Unforgiven. Americans are not like the French, we do not make large demonstrations. Instead we stew, and we see what is going on, we are not as stupid as many of the rich would like to believe. When we fire back, you will know it in a crazed rampage. Americans know where the rich live, Congressmen and other State and Federal workers hang out, and we even know how to hide. We will leak CORPORATE SECRETS and take the world down with us. All it takes is vandalism to public property, avoiding paying taxes and using only cash, or in these extreme cases shootings, bombings and even anthrax, to even the playing field. Now I suggest that those in “Power” wake up and give the regular citizen back what is theirs or I fear there will be hell to pay here in America. What do they have to lose at this point. The shooter of Gabrielle Gifford was in his 20s with his whole life ahead of him. He gave it up because the world pushed hard enough to make him push back. I am leaving this lunatic asylum as soon as I get situated in another country. The corruption between the sheeple or corrupt controlling rich is a war I do not plan to stick around and watch play out. I kind of figured that Arizona or Texas would be a likely first of eruption. I also figured a problem might be around the corner with all the dead birds and fish, HA, HA, HA.
Peace Out
lk sl liie said:
Congratulations! You just committed a felony!
#47 Dvorak et al, a felony.
bobbo:
just got back and reviewed the posts. Turns out I’m not the only one posting under the very unique name of “Bob”. wasn’t me dude, I was out at the bar and had much more fun than I was having worrying about the mess this country is becoming.
#47 lk sl liie:
you are the reason I will never become a total libertarian. Someone needs to take a hard look at anyone that says they “had it coming”. This shooting is a horror that has probably ruined hundreds of peoples lives.
So you really think Palin is the first person to come up with the idea of putting up targets to represent politicians who are ‘targeted’?
Really? You don’t think you’re being a wee bit politically opportunistic here? Maybe you are enjoying the shooting of a member of Congress?
Or perhaps you are merely taking advantage of the opportunity that arises? Who cares how many bodies you have to step on, right? In that case, don’t you have to be certain you will get the mileage out of it? Are you that certain the Democrats would never do anything like this, hmmm?
It’s OK. I understand that people are pulling your strings, getting you riled up. Chris Van Hollen went on MsNBC when this Palin list came out, complaining about how horrible it was. Of course his own Democratic Campaign Committee came up with a similar graph too. No matter. It’s all a ruse to get the party’s base angry, provide them with talking points.
As long as people are throwing out theories, how about this:
1)Obama’s team knows a second Oklahoma City would help lead to reelection, so they came up with this plan.
2)Actually it was Gabrielle Giffords who came p with the plan! She was very public about voting for health care even though her constituents didn’t want it. She presented the plan of an attempted murder, to help the President defeat the Tea Party.
3) The plan was for an attempt, but Obama’s team didn’t want to take a chance on Gabrielle gabbing, so they modified the plan.
4) Giffords survives, causing her to reveal the true story.
5) Can’t have that, so stay tuned. Hope they have nice security in the hospital.
If it was Congressman Steven Seagal, this makes perfect sense.
#51–Bar Bob==glad you have your priorities in order. Good Man.
Thomas==I knew you were going to go that way. What? You can’t figure out my “name” is “bobbo.” Yes, that is just how flexible you are. Sorry to go “whole thread” on you for my context. The legality/illegality issue has been RESOLVED on this thread before you asked your retrograde question. The question of interest now is where the line should be drawn between free speech and incitement to murder “unless” you are a 100% free speech advocate? Pro’s and Con’s to that position just like any other, but anyone who can’t cut thru the chaff as you have demonstrated doesn’t have an opinion worth considering.
Similar irrelevancy is shown by #47 ILk whatever. Simple idiot rant against anyone in power. Too general to be a specific threat capable of being carried out, but it is another straw in the camel load that any LIEberTARD expression of thought could be done away with with little harm to anything but bumper sticker revenue. Ilk probably thinks the government is reading his mind too. Nice to see the continuum form up though with ilk at the bottom so far and too many regulars here lining up way to close.
ha, ha.
Give her the keys to the nukes.
YOU KNOW, our media really does suck==course, its Faux News so maybe the criticism is way off mark.
Geraldo just opined that he doesn’t care if the guy is a US Citizen, he’s still “a terrorist.”
Megyn went on about how the hatred for other points of view need to be channeled into voter registration or some claptrap. Everything she, or her guest said, was totally aimed at Palin and the Tea Party until the last little flip.
I’m back to the Mental Illness angle. Guy had been rejected for Military Service. So, in America, you can be too sick to be a grunt but no referral is made to community mental health services==BECAUSE THERE AREN’T ANY!! Ah well, all such services to get cut further or eliminated in order to fund the tax cuts.
Tax Policy: sets the kind of society you have. Congress Creeps will probably put an extra 100 Million into Security at our tab while they continue to insight the mob and withdraw social services. How long before Wash DC has an iron gate around the whole place just like the WhiteHouse? = = Not long. With no taxes and no social services, why, we’ll be the freest society on earth with only Somalia a close second.
Palin didn’t exactly refute or condemn the violence of that day, as a political solution. Her “Lock and Load” rifle waving rally cry, many be indirectly responsible for this tragedy, and any more that follow. And yet, Ms “I’m not responsible” Palin, takes no blame for possibly sending the wrong message, on how to deal with those whose votes you don’t agree with.
Palin’s “Lock and Load” campaign chant won’t be the first one of hers to come back to bite her ass. Remember “Drill, Baby, Drill”, months before the big Gulf Oil spill? If I were on the DNC. The next time Palin ran for office, I’d run a Tv ad of footage of the report of the nine year old girl being killed, as well as the federal Judge and Congresswoman. And then Palin’s “Lock and Load” rally chants.
Put the country into the hands of vacuous, know-nothings, like Palin, isn’t the solution. It’s more like hiring the Three Stooges to fix a minor leak in your basement. If you don’t know what that means. Then I’d look for some clip of their films on Youtube. And Fast!
This is completely shocking!My heart goes out to the victims and their families. This is a terrible story whether there is a political cause to this or just a man gone wild!!
Well, Free Palin==thanks, but in seconding Thomas’ opinion, you too are being too simple minded and finally “wrong.” Being “absolute” on any issue is being too simple minded. Without “life” no other freedom can be experienced. There are several main restrictions or exceptions to freedom of speech and “no one” is for absolute free speech. the most famous is perhaps No Freedom to Yell Fire in a Theater when there is no fire. Its an aspect of “safety.” Same with “incitement to violence.” No one should be against this limitation of free speech.
the discussion that Thomas and you avoid is where to draw the line on the directness of the incitement. Or, as I just googled: the likiness of immenent unlawful action.
Of import also is the difference in the laws pertaining to the government vs private individuals, criminal and civil liability, and prior restraint.
You seem to admit this when you allow that Freedom of Speech does not include threats against the President. How in the world can you think he would be the only exception.
Expand your thinking. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio
Shocker, DU and it’s looney left readers trying to blame Palin for the acts of a crazy person. You guys are unbelievable!
#61–gaguall==who else but crazy does Palin appeal to? Hmmm, besides quitters I guess….. No, seriously, what does a bullseye and asking for a solution mean in your book?
#62 “No, seriously, what does a bullseye and asking for a solution mean in your book?”
How about a metaphor you nutball?
“Shop Target and get Bullseye Free shipping…”
Are ALL of your posts made out of whole cloth?
Nextlie–a metaphor? Of course its a f*cking metaphor.
Do you think anyone here thinks you are dumb enough to think Palin was referring to Target and shipping? Or do we here think you are just dumb enough not to be able to think of anything else?
Ha, ha. What a dolt.
A terrorist? Nah, he was just being a rebellious teenager, with a gun, and lousy aim.
I suspect that he’s going to be real glad that the United States doesn’t execute the mentally ill (they’re fun to watch.)
But if the Girl Guides ever get their hands on him, they’ll reduce him into garlands of flesh strips, after they strangle him with his own intestines.
That was a ten year old GIRL he shot.
SOMEBODY’s in deep shit now.