An Arab man convicted in Israel of rape because he pretended he was a Jew when he had consensual sex with a Jewish woman has called the verdict racist. Sabbar Kashur, 30, was found guilty of “rape by deception” by the Israeli court and sentenced to 18 months in jail.
According to the complaint filed by the woman, the two met in a Jerusalem street in 2008 and had sex that day. When she discovered he was not Jewish, but an Arab, she went to the police.
Kashur was arrested and charged with rape and indecent assault, but the charges were later replaced by a different charge of “rape by deception”…
“If I were Jewish, they wouldn’t have even questioned me,” the Haaretz newspaper quoted him as saying.
“That’s not called rape, I didn’t rape her in the forest and and throw her away naked. She agreed to everything that happened…”
“The court is obliged to protect the public interest from sophisticated, smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price – the sanctity of their bodies and souls,” the court judgement was quoted as reading.
Would your reaction be different if the roles were reversed?
Of course this is a ridiculous decision by the court. It will be overturned on appeal. And unlike all of its surrounding neighbors, the appeals process in Israel is a true judicial process…
So, if I take a woman home who says that her breasts are real, but it turns out they are implants….
I saw this article in an Arab paper but Muslims have similar laws — often leading to an “honor killing” of the woman or the death penalty.
>> ethanol said, on July 22nd, 2010 at 7:12 am
>> And unlike all of its surrounding neighbors, the appeals process in Israel is a true judicial process…
It’s comforting to know that Israel is marginally less repressive than its neighbors.
“Would your reaction be different if the roles were reversed?” /// What roles?
Just wait until Christian fundamentalist girls in this country find out that their sex partner du jour actually believes in evolution!
Our declining rape numbers will stage a dramatic turnaround.
The whole notion of discovering that the thing going on in the head of that body you screwed is different from the thing going on in your own head will reach its peak when it is definitively revealed everybody is slightly different.
Then every sex act will potentially become rape by deception.
@Greg Allen (#4),
Please explain how a functioning judiciary is “marginally less repressive” than a completely non-functioning judiciary?
Would your reaction be different if the roles were reversed?
No. It’s not rape. People lie about and lie to get sex all the time. It’s a despicable practice. But, I know of no law against it in any secular country. We do not convict people of rape by deception when they lie about being married in order to have an affair.
This is an issue because it happened in a theocracy and the lie was about religion.
The real question is whether the court would have ruled differently had the roles been reversed.
In the court’s ruling the judge, Zvi Segal, wrote: “If she had not thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious relationship, she would not have co-operated.
So to get laid in Israel all you need is a couple of hours and to pretend to be Jewish? Seems like she needs to re-evaluate the price of the pussy.
Before making the beast with two backs, have you ever been asked: “Do you love me?”
Its the same thing. And now I’m waiting for the end of time.
Are they not likely reinforcing the precedent for this charge, “rape by deception,” at the current expense of an Arab so that it may be more liberally applied, ongoing, to *women*? (((GONG!))) Gilgamesh knows what these clowns are up to.
I was confused when I saw that headline. Arab countries don’t really accuse men of rape, they arrest the woman. And if he had sex with a Jew, they would probably kill him.
So if this woman is claiming rape based on religious Jewish teachings of non-miscegenation, then what about the part of no sex outside of marriage?
Needs to be reminded that this happened in Jerusalem. A 7th century Disneyland for worshippers, they have rides, tee-shirts and merchandising.
You would think that upon visual inspection after they undressed, she would have known he was not Jewish. “You say you are Jewish, but your foreskin indicates you are not.”
Also you usually get to know someone a little bit before having sex.
Is it rape by deception to say you love her and then later say you only said that to get laid? That is almost every sex act that happens outside of marriage.
#14 – Benjamin,
You would think that upon visual inspection after they undressed, she would have known he was not Jewish. “You say you are Jewish, but your foreskin indicates you are not.”
Also you usually get to know someone a little bit before having sex.
Islam, like Judaism, requires circumcision.
#16 – me,
Islam, like Judaism, requires circumcision.
One might say that the two religions share a common root.
I wonder what court this was held in, because IIRC, they have religious courts as well as secular;
Did the wanton hussy not ask the gentleman beforehand whether he was Jewish or not? It sounds to me as if she has a responsibility to ascertain that fact before she opens her legs for just any guy she meets on the streets of Jerusalem.
As a gentile who has had carnal relations with an Israeli woman, I can say those ladies are desperate for good sex, and willing to try just about anything, to boot. And they like it!
Having compulsory national service for two years, just like the guys in Israel, the woman are introduced to casual sex fairly early and throughout their tour of duty are generally hooking up in the barracks. So it’s not as though they are all innocent little virgins.
She was probably forced to sue by some relative to escape the shame heaped upon her by her family.
Woman sleeps with man who claims to be single, but later found out to be married. Rape?
“When she discovered he was not Jewish, but an Arab, she went to the police.”
One of the funniest lines I’ve seen in a long time. Can’t blame her based solely on that.
But seriously, it doesn’t seem clear whether he actually told her he was Jewish or if she just assumed. If he lied, lock ’em both up. Him for being a liar, her for being a slut who pick up random guys on the street. Put them in the same cell and see what happens. I’m guessing a repeat offenders.
She would have known immediately, because the sex was not all about him.
It’s this kind of thing that gives rape a bad name.
What kind of world do we live in where a man can go to jail for lying to get some loving. Israel is in serious violation of the Brocode.
I mean I can understand if he were to get beat up by the girl’s brothers but convicted???
#23 – The severity of the ‘penalty for lieing to get sex’ depends on the severity of the actual lie. It’s one thing to say you’re a doctor, but it’s another to claim you aren’t HIV positive.
How dare he be Arab, I only have same day sex with Jews.
apparently the court knows what she’s talking about.
20 spsffan
“But seriously, it doesn’t seem clear whether he actually told her he was Jewish or if she just assumed. If he lied, lock ‘em both up. Him for being a liar, her for being a slut who pick up random guys on the street. Put them in the same cell and see what happens. I’m guessing a repeat offenders.”
He said his name was Daniel. That was enough for her!
Atheists don’t have religious-based problems like this.
the article is somewhat misleading. The man wasn’t tried – he agreed to a plea bargain. The details are not yet public. My guess? It was more than just consensual sex. It might have been an actual rape – but the prosecution was not certain of conviction, so they bargained for a lesser charge and a shorter prison time.
The charge of rape by deception is meant to be used in cases in which the offender pretends to be rich or powerful (or a “Sex therapist”, or a spiritual healer, that kind of thing) and somehow manipulates the victim, through promises of monetary gain, career opportunity etc., to have sex. According to the description of the charge, this wasn’t such a case – but the guy did plead guilty.
#27 -Uncle Dave,
Atheists don’t have religious-based problems like this.
That’s because atheism is a non-prophet organization.
Seriously though. It would be a funny case. She lied to me. She said she was a nontheist. After we had sex, she tried to persuade me to convert to and get . Now I claim rape by deception … and my orgasm was fake!
“An Arab man convicted in Israel of rape because he pretended he was a Jew when he had consensual sex with a Jewish woman has called the verdict racist.”
Point 1. Only one race, human.
Point 2. Both were Semites.
Just how much more will the world stand of this total Cain and Abel BS?
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