bobbo, ...whats good for the goose.... says:

After a life in politics and trying to make another fortune in Green Futures/cap and trade Algore would be an idiot to speak to any ambush predator.

Algore is many things, but unnecessarily exposing himself and his fortune ain’t one of them.

BTW–I think ambush journalism is a good thing. Not pretty, but good. Those in power really do need more scrutiny than the Lame Stream Media is up to giving.

Ahhh—there’s Palin on the tube again===speaking of Lame Stream failing to do their job.

bobbo, ...whats good for the goose.... says:

Workable Solution?==for whom at what cost to other issues?

I understand similar programs have “worked” on much smaller scale issues.

Cap and Trade is artificial and totally suspect. Any “easy” way/link to give us your thinking?

bobbo, ...whats good for the goose.... says:

Algore–you “sound” just like sister hand grenade.

Any valid description of the “benefits” of C&T will have to identify the downside and who gets hurt to even be considered.

“Some” people benefit from any program you wish to name. That doesn’t mean it “works.”

I recall some newsbit about a year ago some analyst comments C&T was already a failure before launch because the “credits” rather than being sold by the government were to be given freely to the corporations. “Little things” like that before all the sequalia are even addressed.

Yes, I’m sure its a fine program.

bobbo, dogs-good, people - not so much says:

Clancy–I know that knee jerks pretty quick and pretty hard, but can’t you even read an entire sentence and comment within the context of that sentence and this thread?

No? Too bad. Carry on.

Hmeyers says:

Al Gore is doing a great job expanding the conversation whether or not he is wrong, right or partially right or “Not Even Wrong”.

Let’s say you believe Gore is wrong, it still has you thinking about the subject matter.

Someone who is opposed to the idea of man-made global warming still has to go to the effort of thinking how they explain their position or why they believe it is wrong.

And this means thinking about the environment is back on the map after a bit of a slumber in the 1990s.

I don’t trust Gore to be unbiased and I wouldn’t take anything he says at face value because he is “compromised”. But I will trust him to be an unreliable source of facts and information that might sometimes be true but often isn’t quite true. And in that — you can find reliability.

atmusky says:

The reality is that politicians with the support of the American voters have been providing more government than either has been willing to pay for, for over 50 years. The last year of the Clinton administration was close with only about an 18 billion dollar deficit (when lending from social security trust fund is factored in). We are now running over trillion dollar per year deficits. Anyone that doesn’t think taxes are going up ALLOT is living in a fantasy land.

What ever taxes are raised will hurt our economy as will spending cuts. We have been driving the economy with deficit spending for those same 50 years ending that will be painful.

At least if they raises taxes on fossil fuels it might drive adoption of alternative solutions and free us from needing to secure foreign oil.

If it were me I would put a tax on oil in place that continues to rise $.50 a gal every 6 months for the next 10 years. I bet the market would find solutions and we would be using something else in no time.

Rabble Rouser says:

I am still amazed that people don’t understand that climate change is a FACT, even though Fox Propaganda, and the fossil fuel industry state that it is not.
The only scientists who still deny climate change, are those who are funded by the fossil fuel industry.

Al Gore may have a vested interest in selling carbon credits, but it’s a better alternative than the fossil fuel industry, who are still getting corporate welfare, from the government, to drill for fuels that will only add to the problem. This is going on while corporations who are pioneering alternative, renewable sources for energy, are getting orders of magnitude less funding from the government. This is only due to lobbyists doing their job, and paying off the politicians.

I think that Al did a great job is stifling the
little wiener. If it was me, the kid would have gotten a fat lip.

bobbo, dogs-good, people - not so much says:

OLo==you are a reasonable guy. Algore does not give interviews. For 14 years now, all he gives is set speeches with no Q&A.

The role you propose for the Media boils down to being stenographers and regurgitators.

Rethink your position. The forth estate is there to nettle the comfortable===or have you become too comfortable to remember/advocate that necessary check and balance?

Shame.

MikeN says:

Didn’t Michael Moore win an Oscar for stuff like this?

Skeptic of the AOBCCS says:

Scene Nine: Algore moves behind Terra and stabs it with a credit of carbon. “Et CO-tu Algore? Then fall, Terra!”

bobbo, everything new is old says:

Carcarius==well written but repeatedly logically fatally flawed.

The climate scientists say it is AGW. YOU start by saying the evidence is not sufficient and then move to say that it is incorrect to say so. THAT is running down the slippery slope uncaring about the terrain.

Likewise, the fact that plants breath carbon and exude oxygen is untethered from cause and effect. Have you read the recent articles about the decrease in world oxygen which also increases co2 and that we hoomans are critically affected at very small percentages of this gas??

CO2 output is NOT ARBITRARY. It is the consequence of burning coal and oil our primary energy sources. How silly to be COMPLETELY WRONG.

Cap and Trade as currently designed, or as it could be modified, is an approach that I also am highly skeptical of but not for ANY of the nonsense you scribe. What notion are you a “slave” to??? Rhetorical diarrhea.

Surely you “can” do better??????

clancys_daddy says:

actually again I don’t care about his thoughts on global warming I just think he’s an idiot. period.

clancys_daddy says:

PS again I think oreilly’s an idiot as well. I vote independent.

aslightlycrankygeek says:

Rabble Rouser,

“I am still amazed that people don’t understand that climate change is a FACT”

Are you referring to Global warming, AGW, or the climate changing, as it often does?

“The only scientists who still deny climate change, are those who are funded by the fossil fuel industry.”

I would provide links to scientist who do not believe in AGW who have to connection to the oil industry, but somehow I think my efforts would be in vain.

Uncle Patso says:

One giant glaring fact is almost entirely ignored in the whole debate about global warming or climate change or AGW, “cap & trade” and other alternative energy strategies.

For the last century and a half, more or less, human society has come to rely more and more on fossil fuels, mainly petroleum and coal, to fuel its economies. (Some of) Human society has gotten quite wealthy from this. But now most of the petroleum is gone, and the easily obtainable reserves are almost completely exhausted. No matter what, unless giant breakthroughs in fusion power happen _very_ quickly, the entire world is about to be quite a bit poorer. The shift has already begun with the rise in the cost of oil and its byproducts.

Try to remember that. Try to keep it in mind. Other than market fluctuations, for the foreseeable future, energy will never again be as cheap as it is today; human society will be quite a bit poorer. This is causing a lot of people to make trouble, trying to “get theirs” before it all goes away, especially including energy companies. Trying to maximize current profits, they fund and support all kinds of “research” and PR to try to convince people that there’s no problem (“it can’t happen here”), if they could just get the government off their backs. This will only get worse from here, so be vigilant: large numbers of people are lying to you and others are merely taken in. Don’t fall for it. Be skeptical.