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See how long before they take out him.
Under the present administration the CIA is operating on a choke collar.
Then there is also the NSA and private contractors. An awful lot of what we do and don’t do is no longer under our direct control because we are using proxies the exact nature of which are hard to fathom and are subject to change without notice.
If they are only reporting to the highest government officials there may not even be a discoverable paper trail within the government. There might not be one on the other side either nor any way to sort out what is real from the background of insane speculation.
The goal is to be able to hold your head high as the country gets ground into the dirt. I think.
RBG
what??? like lunch? or to dinner??
I think RuPaul is starting to make more sense than Ron paul.
Nice rant, not without some merit. Too bad nobody takes this guy seriously anymore. Maybe the most important point is governments come and go but the intelligence communities’ plans, policies, and programs live on, many of which the president has neither the need to know or the security clearance to access.
Sometimes a society that fancies itself to have high moral values needs a little help with the dirtiest work, and deep down, we really don’t want to know anything about it. That happens to dovetail quite nicely with the CIA’s desire to never tell us about it.
Of course, things don’t always turn out the way we plan. For instance, the world is still suffering the lingering effects from the CIA having helped overthrow Iran’s duly elected prime minister in their 1953 operation “TPAJAX.” The Shah, whom our government (along with the Brits) then helped bring back to power, was overthrown in the Iranian Revolution of 1979, and Iranian leadership since then has never loved us nearly as much as the Shah did.
It’s impossible to say what Iran would be like today without the Iranian Revolution that was a direct backlash to the Shah’s autocratic regime, except to say that it might be very, very different. The CIA was acting on Eisenhower’s orders, though, so they can’t be blamed for the unintended consequences that have come about.
Abolish the CIA! Abolish the Fed! As always, I look forward to Ron Paul’s next rant, because at least they’re informative. I hope Texans never vote him out of his congressional seat. He knows how to stir the pot.
@Amodedoma: Ron has more influence than ever, and beltway pols are freaking out trying to co-opt this little revolution he happened to ignite, quite by accident.
@Heinrich: The CIA will be everyone’s first guess at who called the hit, if they’re dumb enough to think they can get away with it. You won’t hear it on FOX or NPR, but over half the country thinks the CIA did Kennedy. Ron’s right – they are wholly corrupt as people, criminal, and not likely to be let off the hook as the cards hit the table.
Kennedy rightly tried to end the CIA, and there’s a damn good chance we’ll avenge his death by prosecuting the Bushes for treason, for an appetizer. Too many people know the score – there will be nowhere for the conspirators to run.
Getting into this whole CIA thing is wandering off into conspiracy territory and isn’t going to attract new supporters.
I liked Paul during the election because he had a sensible message:
1. Deficit spending is dangerous. Both political parties continue to ramp up our debt for their pet causes.
2. The Bush administration used the “War on Terror” to encroach on civil liberties. This is a dangerous trend.
Why can’t we stick to that?
Best I can tell, it was mostly the CIA who screwed up big-time leading to 9/11.
The Bush administration liked to say that the intelligence agencies “weren’t talking with each other” but this wasn’t the whole truth.
Mostly, it was the CIA withholding information from the FBI.
The CIA had all the information needed to stop 9/11 but they refused to share it with the FBI who had the authority and desire to stop the hijackers. The FBI had sniffs of a plot and where pressing the CIA to give up the info, but with no CIA cooperation.
Why would the CIA do this? One likely theory is that they were illegally spying domestically on the hijackers within the US (probably using Saudi intelligence as their proxy) and if they shared what they knew about the plot, it would have revealed their own law breaking.
So, basically 9/11 was allowed to happen because the CIA where doing CYA.
But don’t take my word for it — what I say is in the public domain if you bother to find it. But, the media won’t do it for you.
A Congressman Makes the a claim like and No news outlets pick it up? The only reason for that, that makes sense is it has to be a Black But. Which leads one to think there might be some weight to this.
But that’s just me.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YSP9NteApqI
So what is different between giving the CIA the authority to attack targets without going to full fledged war?
Why because Paul wants it to be ceded to PRIVATE groups (Blackwater?) and because it is OK if Paul’
way is done.
He is a hypocrite.
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The difference is the CIA is not controlled by the ‘commander-in-chief’ so there is no public or political control of this organization. This way, the black hand guides your destiny. The CIA’s intervention in middle east is what stirred up so much anti-american sentiment there, and created the conditions necessary for 9/11 and our current and seemingly eternal task of the war on terror.
Dude, the Republicans aren’t going to take out the CIA. The CIA’s main building is named for a Republican (it’s the “George HW Bush Center for Intelligence”). The Republicans love to whine and whine and whine about ‘big intrusive government’ to win election and get dumb rural voters to vote for them…but they’ve NEVER made government smaller, and only more powerful and intrusive. They believe the government can tell me what I can smoke, who I can marry, what positions I can have sex in…NOTHING more intrusive than that. Republicans (with Democratic help) said our government can listen to our phone calls, read our email and do almost anything without a court order now, just to “protect” us for evil doers. Thanks guys!
The CIA has been Uber successful. Most people in the country don’t have a clue what they do or what they have done.
The CIA imported NAZI’s wholesale into our government, which accounts for alot of the corporate fascism that exists/rules our country today. see project paperclip for those who fancy I need a tinfoil hat.
Tinfoil hat being another excellent CIA tool to discredit all who criticize them.The CIA owns the media and many in the media are either directly employed by the CIA or fed information by them – see the Church Commission hearings for more details.
Ron Paul is correct that the CIA has slipped its chains and now runs the nation. As long as one realizes that the true nature of the CIA has been to conduct industrial espionage so that American corporations can remain dominant, although now they are multinationals still being spoonfed CIA data on the state of the world and their competition.