Some of the Iranian police are apparently defecting… this is great.
You can check Youtube for some great real-time video coverage of the revolution.
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Its interesting that when this happens at a student demonstration in Iran its legitimate protest, but when it happens in the West its destruction of private property by lefty loons.
I wonder how much of this is stirred up by foreign agents? Hopefully the Iranians get what THEY want, not what WE want. A secular government would be a good start.
Yea I met an Iranian guy too , they are not like most people think.
For starter they are not very religious ,and they really like to drink and party since it is illegal in their own country.
According to that guy , most of the country aren’t very religious , he said may be around 10% , and they are really pissed that are being ruled by religious nuts (minority), they all wanted to get the Shah out to get democracy but than they got another dictatorship.
and they hate to be mistaken as Arabs , they are Perrrsians , and they love clubbing, and dancing to techno songs.
The video’s obviously a hoax. You can see the artifacting around the so-called “police car”. The pixels aren’t moving at the same speed as the object either.
You can see the original at:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tfHSU4xT1iY
It’s an ice cream truck.
#35, HoldFast,
I’m betting it’s Yemen. North Korea and Syria are so Bush.
We have a new President, so we need a new, worse, bad guy.
#40 Great one, Heinrich! Rickrolled!
This might end up being a lesson our own repressive country might want to watch. Fixed elections and policies against the will of the people will get you this kind of protest. It happened in the 60’s and could happen yet again right here.
I’ve always admired the Iranians, they’re a ballsy people ready to fight and die to make their world a better place. They got rid of the Shah and they’ll get of the ayatollahs if this keeps up. Maybe they have nukes, maybe they don’t, remember Iraq and their supposed WMD’s? but I sure as heck don’t see them as the big destabilizing threat that US media tried to make them out to be.
#45 My point exactly, the world abounds in misinformed people. The students are fighting to oust oppression, as students will do. It was students that ousted the shah. Who, in case you were misinformed, was put in place by the US. Pedro, I never thought of you as Iranian, if you are, you should be with the students. If you aren’t, the misinformation they’re feeding you has obviously had the desired effect. Don’t allow the media to manipulate you through fear. This is the reason that ignorance is so dangerous.
#47 omg, little pedro took his meds today? A long well thought out posting! 🙂
I would agree that countries are meddling in each others business, and have been since countries were invented.
What I believe is that it’s generally wrong, and I’m interested in getting my country to stop, since that is where I (theoretically) have the best chance to influence matters.
The questions are how is that country’s current situation and how is the ones pushing for changes inside that country affecting it (for positive or negative).
And it depends on how you define “positive” and “negative”. The Shah taking over in Iran was “positive” to the U.S. because he stopped the Iranian nationalization of the oil fields at the time, but ultimately the blowback made it much more “negative” for the U.S. when the radical Muslims took over in 1979.
A regime in Iran means no difference to the US.
When Mousavi was Prime Minister, he oversaw an office that ran operatives abroad, from Lebanon to Kuwait to Iraq
Mousavi was behind the Marine Barracks attack in Lebanon.The death toll was 241 for the Marine Barracks attack: 220 Marines, 18 Navy Personnel, and 3 Army soldiers. 60 Americans were injured. In the attack on the French barracks, 58 paratroopers were killed, and 15 injured.
The attack caused the deadliest single-day death toll for the American military since World War II. The attack remains the deadliest terrorist attack on Americans overseas, and today it is the fourth-deadliest terrorist attack ever.
Mousavi was also behind the 1988 truck bombing of the U.S. Navy’s Fleet Center in Naples, Italy, that killed five persons, including the first Navy woman to die in a terrorist attack.
Pedro,
No wait, you did say –
but the current Iranian regime is helping destroy whatever stability still exists in my country.
Then you say it’s the leftist media. But you can’t blame the Iranians for what the leftist media is doing in the US – can you? According to my experience when somebody tells you all the reasons you should be fearful it’s because they’re trying to intimidate or manipulate.
As far as what other nations are doing that’s even lamer than letting someone use your fear against you. Each country’s destiny will be decided by the values they represent.
Your right I’m expat, half of my 48 years were spent there. As a child I loved and believed in my country, because of the values I believed our nation represented. Then I grew up, then I served in the US Navy, I saw lot’s of the Persian gulf and discovered that our military is involved in many activities that don’t show up in the press.
Then I got lucky and met a basque girl. That’s the reason I’m here and not there. I retain a desperate hope that some day the people of the US of A will take control of their military instead of making excuses for strategies they don’t understand. Then I can hold my head up in other countries and state with pride that I’m an American.
#49 I agree, nationalization can sure be a bad thing. Lots of potential for corruption, whether it’s state-owned and it goes directly into their pockets, or private industry, and they extract bribes for the price of doing business.
Interesting to note that there was no US meddling in the country when the nationalization was set forth, which kinda puts the kibosh on all the theories going around here that oil nationalizations trigger US interventions.
Um, maybe you forgot the attempted 2002 coup. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt
In early 2002, Chávez’s attempts to end the functional independence of the state oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), to bring its oil revenues under state control were met with strong resistance from PDVSA officials and managers. The case of the PDVSA management received a great deal of attention from the private media. In February 2002, Chávez replaced several of PDVSA’s top officials with people more in sympathy with his economic program.[11] Tensions between the Chávez government and PDVSA management continued to escalate through March and early April, culminating on 8 April 2002, when Chávez fired seven top PDVSA executives (and several other managers of lesser status) during a televised address.[12] The fired PDVSA managers received immediate support from the private media and the upper and middle classes.
And then 3 days after he fired the oil executives…
The Venezuelan coup attempt of 2002 was a failed coup d’état on 11 April 2002 that lasted 47 hours, whereby the head of state President Hugo Chávez was illegally detained,[1] the National Assembly and the Supreme Court dissolved, and the country’s Constitution declared void.[2]
Venezuelan Federation of Chambers of Commerce (Fedecámaras) president Pedro Carmona was installed as interim president. In Caracas, the coup led to a pro-Chávez uprising that the Metropolitan Police attempted to suppress.[3] Key sectors of the military[4] and parts of the anti-Chávez movement refused to back Carmona.[5][6] The pro-Chávez Presidential Guard eventually retook the Miraflores presidential palace without firing a shot, leading to the collapse of the Carmona government and the re-installation of Chávez as president.
The coup was publicly condemned by Latin American nations (the Rio Group presidents were gathered together in San José, Costa Rica, at the time, and were able to issue a joint communiqué) and international organizations. The United States and Spain quickly acknowledged the de facto pro-US Carmona government, but ended up condemning the coup after it had been defeated.
You just can’t get good help nowadays… in the old days, when someone was couped, they stayed couped… 😉
whoops, forgot to close the italic block… that last commentary is mine, not wikipedia. 🙂
And I suppose you could argue that the U.S. had nothing to do with that coup attempt. But given our record of meddling in central and south America, you wouldn’t be very convincing.
The only thing the US did was acknowledge the coupe. That it. Is that what you call an “involvement”? If so, you’re quite a gullible person.
It’s amazing the intimate knowledge of U.S. policy decisions you have, little pedro. Not. 🙂
#3 Right On!