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The folks tackling this on a political level are idiots and think this is all 100% true or 100% false. Reality is complicated. So is this issue, VERY complicated. No question the earth is warning “overall” more than it has since humans have been around. No one has ever sailed the passage north of Russia in recorded history. The glaciers on Kilimanjaro have been around as long as cave drawings depicted it. Whether humans cause this or not is almost beside the point. Yes we should clean up, pollute less and for GODS sake get out of using middle east oil as our #1 goal!!
But everything, everything is a give at take. Switch to all LED light bulbs to save energy? Great! But then in Iowa you have to turn UP your heat in the winter (burn more energy) because the old light bulbs actually produced a fair amount of heat. Did you save money? Depends on my variables. In Minnesota they discovered that their fancy low energy LED street lights don’t melt the snow anymore, so they lights get obscured and they have to sent out trucks (energy) to manually clean them off. Saved anything? Hard to calculate.
This is complicated and the motivations are complicated too. The Republicans just want to screw the Democrats regardless of the bill/point/policy. The Democrats want to embarrass the Republicans. Lets drop the politics crap and just deal with the reality. It’s a complicated issue with complicated solutions. We’ll have to be all smart like and everything…LOL đ
From: Obamaforever
To: JimR per #64
The zonal cavity equation does not pertain to the cavity in your head, JimR. The equation tells you what type of fixture to use, what type of lamp to use, how many fixtures to use, and the layout of the fixtures.
The equation will not directly help you to conserve energy. To conserve energy you will need to go to the Energy Conservation Code in your area. It will tell you what the watts per square foot of lighting you need to use for your application. With the watts per square foot you can use the zonal cavity method to get the best lighting for the watts per square foot.
JimR, a person of your limited intelligence should not be talking about lumens or anything else (i.e. Climate Change) of which you have little or no understanding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#65 – Actually it’s all very simple: Pick any “problem” – if the solution requires Americans to live a smaller lifestyle or become less dominating internationally compared to other countries, the solution is unacceptable.
Obamaforever: “Animby, you must read more carefully!!!!”
Let me suggest YOU read more carefully. He specifically says the inhabitants of his small town pay $120 “EACH” for their electricity.
As for the definition of bulb. Please get out your dictionary. Yes, the first definition (in Websters Online edition) is that of a plant stage but the second definition is : “… a bulb-shaped part; specifically : a glass envelope enclosing the light source of an electric lamp or such an envelope together with the light source it encloses”
So you don’t read very carefully.
You don’t know the meaning of the words you DO read.
And you’re a troll, anyway.
Look up the meaning of “dim bulb.” You’ll find it in the mirror.
Pedro, he has to be on drugs or something.
Pedro – in his defense, I think his vocabulary is better than a ten year-old. I’d say 15, maybe 16 and recently discovered Wikipedia.
It would appear that some people posting here want to deal with the world as it is in hopes of reaching better solutions to real problems.
The liberals posting here don’t care about external reality. Their only reality is between their own ears. External facts just get in their way.
Both groups claim to be trying to make the world a better place for people to live in.
For some reason I find I believe that anyone that ignores external realities is doomed to create a great big ugly mess no matter how noble their cause may be if they are given the chance.
# 8 Smith:
“We would go a long way towards energy independence if we were allowed to drill for our OWN damn oil!”
Not such a long way: maybe 5% to 10% of the way. That’s all the oil there is off the coasts and all the wildlife preserves.
People here keep saying the government is not the way to get these things done, there’s a better way! Well I say, what? What is the better way? I haven’t heard one single idea that explains how we achieve these things. “Better technology,” “entrepreneurs,” “don’t tax people to death,” etc., etc., etc. That’s all very well and good, but how does any of that get hundreds of millions of people to work and back every day and heat and light their homes, businesses and factories without sending trillions for oil from countries whose people hate us? How?
From: Obamaforever
To: Animby per #69
I know it is hard to follow ECAâs stream of consciousness, but I was able to parse his words.
Here is what ECA was trying to say: âEverybody in a small town uses the same bulb. The bulbs cost the town $120 EACH month in electricity.â
One must understand the intent of ECAâs words to get a clear understanding of what he trying to get across.
I had hoped that my calculations showing the cost savings of using a CFL vs. incandescent lamp would clarify mattersâalas, it did not.
As for the definition of âbulbâ. Your dictionaryâs definition gives the common usage for âbulbâ. Since I was explaining a technical matter the correct, technical term would be âlampâ. In short, the common term is âbulbâ and the correct, technical term is âlampâ.
Please google âbulbâ, âlampâ, âlightingâ, and âtechnicalâ to see that this is true. Or, you could call up a lighting designer and he would tell you the same thing.
I realize that as a physician who gets his science from business magazines the above is way over your head.
Physician, no; Chiropractor, yes!!!!
There is a two fold part that several people are missing regarding ECA’s comment.
Not only will each individual save a small amount, BUT each community, and in fact the world in general, will save by eliminating the need for fossil fuel power generation.
CFLs are just one small part that can help everyone use a little less energy. CFLs may not be perfect, and I agree they do have their own drawbacks. Sitting still and just moaning or thinking this is someone elses problem is even worse.
We can substitute natural gas for coal and oil for heating and production and curb a lot of heavy metal pollution, radioactive release and toxic wastes.