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Meet Harun Yahya, the leading creationist in the Muslim world. – By Steve Paulson – Slate Magazine — This sort of thing never ends.
The great mystery is where Yahya’s Science Research Foundation gets its money. No one knows, though speculation runs from Saudi donors to wealthy Turks whose children have joined the secretive group. Whoever funds it, the organization seems to have the kind of wealth and influence that Christian creationists can only dream of. Yahya’s teachings aren’t confined to a religious subculture in Turkey. They’re part of the mainstream.
Creationist stories are now popping up in Turkish high-school science textbooks, and some government officials in the AKP, the ruling Islamic party, freely criticize evolution. In Ankara, the government’s point man on religious issues, Mehmet Gormez, told me, “All the holy texts say human beings are created by God. I think evolutionary theory is not scientific, but ideological.”
The Quran doesn’t have a detailed origins story like the six days of creation found in Genesis, but it does say Adam was created out of clay in a heavenly paradise and later banished to earth, along with Eve. Various polls show that many Muslim countries are predominantly creationist, but Turkey has recently emerged as a hub of global opposition to evolution.
– Ashley Montague
#3 huh?
Alfredone – How much does John pay you to troll this site?
#6. Not enough…apparently.
#8 – McCullough – Not enough…apparently.
Thank goodness for that… if he did, Alfredone would make every topic a religious crusade…
I guess I’ll never understand creationists or anti-evolutionists. It’s like saying man can breed a new type of dog or horse or fruit but that nature can’t. Go figure.
Alfred1 said “Christians and Muslims can co sponsor Creationism in schools…”
What can possibly go wrong?
Well at least the creationist dumbassification of the West is being balanced out by creationist dumbassification of the Islamic world. Chinese creationism is just plain weird, and somewhat elusive, so I don’t know if also has this effect.
Here’s a link explaining a bit about the Turkish blocking of wordpress.com
Alfred
I would suggest you do not approach certain insane Muslims (who have twisted yet another mediocre text to fit their preconceived notions) with your interfaith crusade because they may end it rather swiftly with a large knife to your throat.
Like Christians, Muslims come in all shapes and seizes but none come with testable hypothesis (unless they are also sincere scientists).
Your car analogy is flawed. If you stick to the analogy (which you took from others) you would need to believe that someone created God and someone created the person tat created God etc. If God is the exception then that would prove the rule is flawed (i.e. not a rule at all).
Believe and teach what you want but do not pretend it is science.
Ummm…Alfred1 — the whole Creationism thing is a dead issue. You guys hammered it for years, with every possible argument and you lost. Over and over again. Real science always wins. Every day that goes by, the evidence that supports evolution grows and your arguments just get stale. It’s done, mate. Yeah, there will always be the fringe, flat-earth crowd that somehow just can’t accept the truth (“All lies, I tell you! All lies!!”), but seriously, this one is dead. You know it is never going to somehow achieve acceptance and replace real science. Find a new topic….[and no, I am not going to “debate” you on this, there is no need to — it has all been said before. People who don’t know the facts are simply ignorant and get a pass. People who have been shown the facts and still cling to nonsense are stupid. Neither qualifies for a debate. Bring a genuinely new argument and evidence to the table and I’ll reconsider….but I’m not holding my breath on that.]
“freely criticize evolution”
Well, it did do a piss-poor job on the Turks.
#20 Alfred1 — that is exactly what I was talking about. Chance, typewriting monkeys, tornado-assembling-747 — old argument, very old. Refuted years ago. Evolution isn’t about chance, it’s about selection.
Don’t be stupid. Give me something new…
Are retards still really doing the whole creation vs evolution debate? Neither theory negates the other, people that pick a side only look foolish, at least in my eyes.
The way I see it is, we have undeniable proof of evolution. And in terms of creation there is the possibility of intelligent design, pure chance, and some argue a 3rd possibility of physical nessecity but I think with the third one the argument would be whether the conditions for the nessecity were designed or created by chance so there are really only 2 possibilities, intelligent design or pure chance.
From my human intuition i would lean towards intelligent design, but the chance theory is still completely possible. Why can’t people just accept that both are equally valid theories until one is proven scientifically?
Theres nothing wrong in having ‘belief’ in one side, so long as you can acknowlege that there is a possibility (no matter how small) that you MAY be wrong.
So #19, the above was not aimed directly at you. But can you please reference the science that disproves creationism? I, and i’m sure many others would be very keen to read through it.
Also just to add on the end, even if intelligent design is one day disproven and it turns out it was all down to chance. Just because something was created by chance doesn’t mean it wasn’t created period. Therefore both evolution and creation can happily coexist, and people that argue one over another are retarded. Peace.
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No surprise here.
The bottom line is there is one master loonie tree with many branches.
This is a very encouraging start. Now all the normal people of the world need do is to assure they can produce enough explosives to keep the creationist busy explaining why their creation is better than someone else’s creation. In time only logical people are left.
I love the linking of science with “leftist experimentation”, porn, condoms (maybe latex of any kind?) and drug addled brains. Don’t forget puppy juggling and nun abuse. Gosh darn it, it’s a persuasive argument.
Alfred1,
We have been over this ground. You are ignorant a outrance with respect to the scientific method (and logical thinking in general). Until you understand that, you will not understand the argument for evolution or the argument against creationism. You are a child that is stomping their feet and holding their breath to convince the adults that a fat man in a flying sleigh delivers presents in one night. To help your argument, you are trying to use some of the big words the adults have used even though you do not understand what they mean.
Grow up and educate yourself.
#41 Funny. You missed a big point in your argument. Science leads to Jazz. Jazz leads to masturbation. Masturbation leads to communism.
#46
We challenge you Alfred1, to demonstrate that you understand the scientific method. Your statements about chance show you still haven’t the foggiest clue how scientists learn about the world. You continue to espouse ridiculous arguments that have been trounced hundreds of times over but when we point this out, you cry that all arguments to the contrary are ad hominems. Until you demonstrate that you actually understand the scientific method and logical thinking, we’ll continue to treat you like a child that still believes in Santa Claus.
Attention dark-hearted, splyf-clutching, hateful losers of the world- Creationism isn’t a bad philisophy. Go a couple months without your doobies and booze, and when you are partially detoxed it’ll make more sense! I promise.
If I were buying the candles for Earth’s birthday cake, I would definitely prefer a Bible-based estimate of the planet’s age over a scientific estimate. If we used the latter and burned billions of candles, it could really suck the oxygen out of a room, leaving partygoers so dizzy and confused that they might then convert to religion, which is how religion got started in the first place.
Lack of oxygen causes religion.
#24 You asked for a reference to the information that disproves Creationism. That would be thousands and thousands of references, but a reasonable first start would be The National Center for Science Education (NCSE.com). It is a non-profit organization based in Oakland, California affiliated with the American Association for the Advancement of Science. It is the United States’ leading anti-creationist organization, and defends the teaching of evolutionary biology and opposes the teaching of religious views in science classes in America’s public schools.[quoting Wikipedia]
There you can find tons of links to reference material, the court cases, and other publications. Their membership includes thousands of scientists, teachers, clergy and ordinary citizens working to keep evolution in public school science education.
People can believe whatever they want (zany nonsense included) but what we teach in schools as science has to be real science, not religious claptrap.
“Masturbation leads to communism.”
It’s quite the opposite.
The individual takes an private action for his own benefit and on his own initiative.
It is the ultimate subversive act in a totalitarian system.
Somebody and Alfred1. You guys are a bucket o’ yucks.
#53 pedro
You nailed it. I’m sure he’s doing this for only the purest of reasons.