What Would Jesus Think Of Our Health Care System?
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Of course we won’t see much debate here. The Right usually says something along the lines of “things are different now and we shouldn’t slavishly follow the Bible”, then point to somthing in the Old Testament and scream how we must do as it says.
The hypocrisy of much of the Right, in this case religious, is that they follow the Old Testament more than Christ’s own words for every facet of life they expouse and try and force on us.
1. Nothing, he probabay didn’t exist anyway.
2. If he did exist, I don’t think we can reasonably assertain what he thought, as he does not express any opinions on government-run healthcare in the bible.
3. Even if he did express such opinions, the history of this world’s constant battles over various interpretations of the bible show that this too would be a subjective answer, and we’d never reach a consensus of the “correct” answer.
4. This WWJD crap is annoying. Is it supposed to be an attempt to show some moral superiority in a position? To me its a tired old cliche as well as a logical fallacy. Its pretty much the inversion of the “Thats what hitler did/would do” argument.
It’s been awhile since I read the Bible, so forgive my ignorance; Did Jesus have the IRS pull up your tax records before helping? Funny, I don’t remember him sitting in on any death panels, either. Did Jesus have people fined and thrown in jail if they refused to participate in his health care scheme? Tough questions, I know.
Jesus the God, Jesus the Teacher or Jesus the Jew?
Jesus the God would give basically the same choice – convert and be healed. Resist and who gives a crap.
Jesus the teacher would teach the people compassion and start a collective private fund to help pay for the medical bills of those who couldn’t afford it.
Jesus the Jew would probably be in-sensed at the idea that any of the goyim could make a better health-care decision than he could. He would consult his jewish friends, then hire a good jewish doctor for himself who was highly recommended AND he thought was appropriate then, try and get the doctor to work for half price.
I get to be first??
OMG..sorry.
I think it shows how far we have sunk, in the idea that we are beating down the ideal of sharing and giving, to each other, and to the family.
MANY are boxed up in cities and dont even learn who their neighbors are, let alone what is happening IN their own hood.
We work MILES away in other areas.
WE shop MILES away from our homes.
WE dont walk to a friends home, we DRIVE.
WE isolate ourselves from each other and LEARN not to care whats OTHERS need…NOT WANT.
Giving assistance to the person who NEEDS it so that they can continue to work and play, and enjoy life.
Even our medical community has this idea to TREAT the symptoms NOT to CURE the problem. They want you coming BACK, over and over, to make money. And to many doctors FORGET their training.
Its also, IMHO, that car insurance is (kinda) stupid. You should understand that WHEN you get in a car, you are going to KILL yourself, or someone ELSE. NOT that you are protected from BEING AN IDIOT.
We also have lost site of the past, and knowing the OLD remedies that HELPED a family to be healthy.. WE have forgotten that we are OMNIVORES..that we Eat everything, and not what is PREPARED and set infront of us. Even at the Grocery, how many different types of apples are there?? Tomatoes?? Oranges..
We feed ourselves on what is GIVEN to us, not what is AVAILABLE. then it is Processed and we loose the basic ideal of WHAT food is, and why nature made it the way IT WAS. Our diets used to be 60-90% fiber/bulk.. NOW-do you KNOW where you food comes from, and what they have done to it?? NOT AN IDEA..
Then after all of this, you think a corporation that gives medical coverage is WANTING to do the best by you?? NOT ON YOUR LIFE. Once they went to being a FOR PROFIT company..YOU LOST.
There used to be regulations out there..
For UTILITIES and MEDICAL coverage.
They are gone now, as these companies LOBBIED to be free and OPEN, and they made promises that THIS wouldnt happen. That they wouldnt change. But they DID.
The Old concepts of HOW a company works and how to spend profit went BYE BYE..as Owner/boss’s went from Profit SHARING to FULL time wages. And you would think a person being paid 24/7 $1000 per hour would KNOW whats happening in his OWN company he is incharge of…NOT!!!
the JOB isnt to take care of people, its to make PROFIT, ANY WAY they can.
StoopidFlanders says:
“Funny, I don’t remember him sitting in on any death panels, either.”
Given your user name, I’m not sure if your comment is flame bait or something else. But here is some interesting reading about the origin of the death panel rumors.
#6 Hi there.
Generally, it seems to me that anything Jesus/health care ends up being flame-bait. Perhaps you would be kind enough to address my other two concerns if you do not like the death panel comment.
Here’s a scenario; how about hazarding a guess as to how long before this happens: “unpaid speeding ticket? ..no health care for you!”
#6, do you have a better source of information than that?!? New York Times and Washington Post are the ultimate source of how leftists are supposed to think. They dispense a little news to build up credibility that they can use for pushing propaganda.
This information came off the original bill, Page 425 Lines 4-12. Government mandated Advance [Death] Care Planning Consultations. This is doublespeak for planning when to dope someone up and leave them to die.
The versions of the bill are scrambled up so we can’t name page & line anymore, but it must still be in there somewhere. Leftists prize this option too much to let the death panel die…
Wouldn’t Jebus say to pray and let god sort things out? Healthcare is more of a philistine activity, as most advancements are.
StoopidFL — here is a better scenario: Person has several unpaid parking tickets so government cuts off his medicare. This scenario is just as silly as yours.
You are just trying to come up with some scary story to put fear into peoples minds.
The picture above is about current christians that are against Government run health care but rely on current insurance policies.
Yes, a government run health care system will ration health care just like the insurance companies do now.
I was hoping that this whole health care reform would die so that insurance companies could raise premiums by 50 percent. Who would the people complain to? The government?
#10–gack!!==you think thats what the picture means???? haw, haw. Sure as SATAN thats what it means. You better hope your local pastor/priest/shaman doesn’t know who you are.
You are religious I suppose? Yep, stoking those fires of FUD.
As an anti-theist, I could support you, but I still have empathy for my fellow man.
I think any representation of Jebus is that he cares for the least successful of us. I don’t think that means putting a for profit entity between sick people and the care they need.
You are a bad silly person.
What would Jeebus think of our spelling?
expouse
assertain
dont
loose
Since “Uncle Dave Stalin” is an antsiest, then it show how low and empty of morality he truly is to try and use what he considers a myth to sway those that do believe. What a low life piece of scum pound refuge Uncle Dave Stalin is, just like his hero Mao or is it Che or Castro or Tito or Idi Amin.
Jesus healed the people to point toward the Messiah and to show the people the Great Glory of God, not to empower a bunch of spoiled cowardly privileged communistic elitist trash that want to bring about a totalitarian monarchist state of man in their vain attempt to give man the power of life and death.
What you don’t think rationing will occur, you think that once you’re denied health care service you’re be able to sue the government like you can an insurance company? Get real, preserve what control over your life you have, once the Government is giving you health care, then they will be able to say what you can eat, what you can do and when you can do it – all because the collective group of the people is now paying for your health care.
Whatever…………………………….
Traaxx
#13–tracks==maybe “whatever” but certainly not anything YOU would support. WRONG on every point you advance except for those that do “in fact” have good insurance, and for those folks: do you think you will still have it in 5 years?
Idiots voting against their own self interest. They do deserve the Repuglican party, it just drags down the rest of us though.
Facts and Pragmatism
bobbo
Jesus DID give his two cents about Government Health Care, kinda, in a sorta round-about way.
“And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marveled at him.”
Well, of course Caesar would be all things government, such as taxes and … wait for it … Government health care!
What would Jesus recommend?
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.
In other words, be good human beings and take care of each other. Don’t ask, do. Don’t take, give. Be Compassionate to those in need. The Good Samaritan.
Good advice.
Now for my own two bits.
The big problem with our healthcare system isn’t insurance per say, nor hospitals and doctors.
It’s greed. It’s stealing from the sick to pad a paycheck. It’s stealing from the doctors who are trying their best.
As with most things broken, we have to look toward ourselves as being the cause.
And the cure. I do believe that most people want to do the right thing, and when we get together as a group we can come up with reasonable solutions which has some “fairness”.
We don’t need Jesus to tell us what to do. We have been blessed with brains and compassion, and are expected to use it.
Traaxx, I hope you do not think Uncle Dave photoshopped the above picture. Even though Uncle Dave did post the picture to drive page hits with the added bonus of seeing all of the christian nuts take offense of their beloved liberal god being used as a metaphor for big money sucking corporate insurance companies. Who would jesus side with today the government or the insurance comapanies? I say neither.
People have found ways to sue the government before so I am sure someone out there will be able to sue the government when they are denied some specific health care procedure.
#16 — a tidbit to think about. During elections, politicians keep trying to buy votes by promising tax cuts, tax breaks or tax rebates. In a world where the government ran the health care system, to reduce the cost of the government ran health care all that is needed is for voters to get politicians to give the money back.
bac,
LOL! That would fund EVERYTHING!!
Traaxx is a troll/moran just like Alfie. Don’t feed him.
#18–gack!!!==that makes no sense at all. In context, given the USA is the only western society without government sponsored/provided/heavily regulated healthcare, it is the USA that is “in a world.”
In both worlds, voters include non-taxpers as well as taxpayers, but everyone is a health care consumer with that service/necessity rapidly approaching unaffordability. Something the Repugs continue to divert the attention from for those so easily lead to vote against their own interests.
The whole other world provides better coverage, better results, at half the cost. There is the other world we should aim our policies at emulating.
Ah Yea==you must be in a good mood because the government giving the money back doesn’t make any sense. I guess it is that ludicrous whatever is meant by it.
15,
“Well, of course Caesar would be all things government, such as taxes and … wait for it … Government health care!”
Think about your comment,before stating it..
INT THAT TIME, the gov took the sick to the end of the village and kicked most of them out.
A time that if you were born handicapped, you were killed at birth.. Death rate of women was 70-90% by the age of 20, as giving birth would kill MOST if you survived being born.
LOOK at current LAW.
Did you know that an emergency room ISNT supposed to turn you away?
But they can HOLD you until you PROVE who you are, and show your medical coverage..THEn decide if they WISH to give you medicine.
The health care system is just enabling people fading quickly towards the inevitable end that is near. They’re only helping someone to go to their rewards, go to the heavenly father, go to a better place, head off to meet Jesus, are called to heaven, go and meet the maker, or, in less Christian terms: buy the farm, kick the bucket, kick off, swim with fishes, check out, pass away, pass on, bite the big one, bite the dust, to go peg it, carked it, turned their toes up, bought the farm, cash in their chips, fall off their perch, become worm food, or shuffle off this mortal coil.
The health care collective is trying to add to the rolls of the Pearly Gate…..
Over half the US budget is welfare related and the medical industry is the most regulated industry in the nation. The financial sector is the second most regulated industry in the nation.
Both are FUBAR.
How can government regulation work when self-interested agents are the ones writing the regulations and “donating” to the public “servants?” The answer is it can’t.
In fact, it is going to do nothing but get worse.
You cannot, repeat cannot, expect your government to do what is best for you when there is so much money floating around.
If this medical reform were actually worth a flip, why isn’t Congress going to use it? The answer is because it’s a POS.
But, I guess they have to do something, even it’s wrong.
#24–Loser==you never fail to amuse.
Idiot. “In fact,” it may well get worse as long as idiots and republicans like you have any sway in the process at all. Once your ilk gets flushed to the Nirvanna they so desire, the rest of us WILL FIX HEALTHCARE, and at worst will simply copy any of the other 37 advanced nations SOCIALIZED MEDICAL SYSTEMS. Then we can modify it per American Exceptionalism for the greater good of all==even idiots like you who don’t deserve it.
i HAVE TO ASK, you working folk..
How much do you pay from your pay check for medical and WORKMENS COMP?? And if not you, how MUCH does your Employer PAY FOR YOUR benefits???
$200-400-600?? per month.
And if this passes, it will be about 7% of your wages.
Figure it out..
$200 per month and you take home over $2000?
$600 per month?? I hope you are making $6000 per month..
Do the numbers before you comment.
AND…your health care only lasts WHILE you are working…REMEMBER THAT. 3months AFTER you are fired or QUIT..NO COVERAGE unless you wish to pay $1200-2400 per month..
#26, If you believe that, you deserve what the government gives you.
I pay around 5% right now.
#27–LIEBERTY LOSER==proud to have the worst health benefit package around. Hah, hah.
For the rest of us:
Employer costs for health insurance viewed as a percentage of payroll also showed significant variation (Figure 3). In 2005, the median employer cost was 11 percent of payroll, but 25 percent of workers with access to health benefits had employer costs for health insurance that were equal to or less than 6.6 percent of their payroll costs and another 25 percent had employer costs for health insurance that were equal to or exceeded 16.5 percent of their payroll costs. Overall, the percentage of workers in jobs where employer costs for health insurance exceeded 10 percent of payroll rose from 38 percent to 56 percent between 1999 and 2005 (Figure 4).
http://kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm030808oth.cfm
#24, Loser,
Over half the US budget is welfare related …
You have been asked before to back up that number and you haven’t. You still post it though. Its bullshit.
the medical industry is the most regulated industry in the nation.
And what is the ‘medical industry”? Does that include drug stores, schools of nursing, battlefield wound dressing, hospital infectious disease control, meat packing plant inspection, and aspirin bottle labeling?
The financial sector is the second most regulated industry in the nation.
They should be the number one policed.
You cannot, repeat cannot, expect your government to do what is best for you when there is so much money floating around.
Yet, as we see, we can’t expect the heath care insurance companies to anything. A large majority of Americans want health care reform. There is only one body that can do that. Those we elect to govern us.
And when you get big enough, and you stay out of jail, you too can help out in choosing who our representatives are. But you have to grow up first.
But, I guess they have to do something, even it’s wrong.
I sincerely believe that you think any government “interference” in the health care insurance industry is too much.
The majority of Americans who want some kind of reform don’t want to do it just for the good of their health. It is because the insurance companies have repeatedly screwed the consumers.
27,
and your employer pays workmens comp how much??
And your employer pays the OTHER 1/2 of your medical??