The Australian Vaccination Network lobby group says more testing of the swine flu vaccine needs to be done before it is given to the public.
Australian Vaccination Network president Meryl Dorey has previously urged the Government not to make vaccinations compulsory for children. She says the H1N1 vaccine could prove more dangerous than the disease itself.
“If we find that swine flu is milder than normal seasonal flu, and we have normal seasonal flu every year, and all the government does is simply offer a vaccine for those who want it, why should this flu be treated any differently,” Ms Dorey said.
The “Australian Vaccination Network” is a group of anti-vaccination kooks bent on stopping ALL vaccinations. They are responsible for lowering herd immunity to a number of childhood diseases, resulting in outbreaks of vaccine preventable diseases, including at least one 18 month old baby’s death. Any opinion they express on the swine flu vaccine is a joke and is made with a clear anti-science, anti-reason agenda.
There is no indication that the H1N1 vaccine would be any less safe and effective than the regular seasonal flu vaccine which saves thousands of lives every year!
Mark, for an alternative opintion, try listening to No Agenda. Some of the things I have heard them talking to do with swine flu & vaccine for it are quite reasonable (even if their political opinions can be downright bizarre!).
Police and Military Train To Intern Swine Flu Vaccine Refusniks
http://tinyurl.com/l8js2y
“Law enforcement and military personnel are training to set up checkpoints in order to catch people who refuse to take the swine flu vaccination according to whistle blowers, while health authorities are laying the groundwork for a mass vaccination campaign by warning that serious and potentially deadly health problems will be blamed on the H1N1 vaccine.”
Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries
A global pandemic is only a matter of time.
http://drtenpenny.com/biological_weapons.aspx
Vaccines are not safe nor are they effective.
They are not the reason disease rates are low today.
The assumptions upon which immunization theory and practice are based are unproved or have been proven false in their application
Dangers of childhood diseases are greatly exaggerated in order to scare parents into compliance with a questionable but highly profitable procedure.
The polio vaccine temporarily reversed disease declines that were underway before the vaccine was introduced; this fact was deliberately covered up by health authorities. In Europe, polio declined in countries that both embraced and rejected the vaccine.
The long term adverse effects of vaccinations have been ignored in spite of compelling correlations with many serious chronic conditions. Doctors can’t explain the dramatic rise in many of these diseases.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/08/18/vaccine-myths.aspx
The History you did not learn in the Public Fool System
Eugenics/Population Control
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GmzZ3X0zt1Y
http://endgamethemovie.com/biblio01.html
HEADLINE: Swine flu vaccine to be given to entire British population
http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6689955.ece
and
http://telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5806751/Swine-flu-vaccine-to-be-given-to-entire-population.html
WOULD YOU TAKE A VACCINE MADE BY A COMPANY THAT GOT CAUGHT CONTAMINATING ITS PRODUCT WITH LIVE AVIAN FLU VIRUS?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Health–Science/Science/Virus-mix-up-by-lab-could-have-resulted-in-pandemic/articleshow/4230882.cms
Czech newspapers immediately questioned whether the events were part of a conspiracy to deliberately provoke a pandemic, http://911blogger.com/node/19517 following up on accusations already made by health officials in other countries. http://smh.com.au/news/world/indonesia-accuses-us-of-bird-flu-plot/2008/02/19/1203190823829.html
Ask yourself why you have not heard of this via the main stream media in this country.
The reality is too horrible for most to consider but it is reality nonetheless. Unless you understand what we are facing you do not have a chance. Tell everyone you know not to take the vaccine.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4FqSGXrnudo
AT THE VERY LEAST CONSIDER WHAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED BY THE 60 MINUTES SEGMENT; MORE PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN 1976 BY THE VACCINE THAN DIED FROM THE ACTUAL SWINE FLU. http://dailymotion.com/video/x9mh9f
Deadly Immunity by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. http://tinyurl.com/g6ql9
When a study revealed that mercury in childhood vaccines may have caused autism in thousands of kids, the government rushed to conceal the data — and to prevent parents from suing drug companies for their role in the epidemic.
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/06/16/thimerosal/index.html
Excerpt: “Even for scientists and doctors accustomed to confronting issues of life and death, the findings were frightening. ‘You can play with this all you want,’ Dr. Bill Weil, a consultant for the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the group. The results ‘are statistically significant.’ Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado whose grandson had been born early on the morning of the meeting’s first day, was even more alarmed. “My gut feeling?” he said. ‘Forgive this personal comment — I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what is going on.’
But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry’s bottom line.”
#3-12
Ladies and Gentleman I give you your moron.
Yet another false and misleading headline by Guilherme Cherman, no surprise there..
#2 listening to No Agenda would mean having to listen to Adam Curry and most people would rather be water boarded.
#3-12 any story can be spun by cherry picking obscure articles from around the world.
#14 #2 listening to No Agenda would mean having to listen to Adam Curry and most people would rather be water boarded.
If Curry was working at Gitmo, we would havel all the info we want from these terrorists.
JCD embarrasses himself by promoting the bullsh– that Curry rants over.
#15 Curry owns the cranky geek show, that make him JCD’s Boss. You promote what your boss tells you to.
# 1 Mark said,
“at least one 18 month old baby’s death”
Even if what you say is true, many more deaths or injuries are attributed to seasonal flu vaccine.
What does the science say when vaccine makers have to be legally protected against wrongful death suits??????
What it says instead is, Americans have allowed themselves to become Guinea Pigs for wall-street and industry profit.
brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS).
The people who don’t get their shots in an epidemic because of something that an uninformed guy on the Internet says, will be Darwining themselves. This probably means that the world will be smarter on the average after that epidemic…
This is an EXCELLENT TOPIC for each of us to evaluate how we think. Science or Emotion? Open to knew information, or closed down. How do you think, how do you change your mind?
Stars & Bars==I’d like to review your links but don’t want to hit 3 bad ones in a row and give up. Which is the best 1-2-3 links to bring home your message?
To anyone with more expertise than I who have none: I take the issue this way:
Vaccines will KILL a few people who have susceptibility to the vaccine for whatever reason. Just for example, lets say in the USA, 5000 such people exist. If they take the Vaccine, they will die. If they don’t, they will live.
If all you focus on is the people who die from the vaccine, 5000 is a big number.
Now, the balance here is that if USA does not take the vaccine, then 3 million could die==or more as the more the virus incubates and exists in the population, the more it mutates.
With a full vaccination program, only 90K should die this year–again, assuming it doesn’t further mutate.
Is that the “model” the CDC is working with or have I missed it completely?
In conclusion, any study/link that only looks to the danger of the vaccine has missed the point. All such studies have to compare the two risks. Only then can a valid judgment be made.
In a vacuum, knowing nothing more, I “believe” in science. The evidence against vaccines would have to be quite strong, detailed, and balanced. Not a “maybe” from an as yet to be developed vaccine from an unknown group reputed to be “anti-vaccine.”
I hope thats not just me, because the totalitarian point is that the more people who get flu, the more likely it is to mutate making it more dangerous to everyone else who would have been safe otherwise.
But yea, in the end, the little nasties are going to wipe us out. I hope it doesn’t go above 90%.
Thanks for all the links stars.
mark, your vaccine is in the kool-aid, drink up!
#13 Larry Bud Re: “Ladies and Gentleman I give you your moron.”
and
#14 RRD Re: “any story can be spun by cherry picking obscure articles from around the world.”
Thank you for your unsubstantiated mainstream media Pavlovian reaction.
#18 Floyd Re: “…probably means that the world will be smarter on the average after that epidemic…”
Considering that reliable substantiated information is reliably available on the internet regarding the extreme dangers of taking vaccines I could not agree more!
#19 Bobbo… Re: “…don’t want to hit 3 bad ones in a row…” You are in luck, all the links are up to date. Why don’t you start with #12 and #4.
#21–Stars==well, sadly==your three top recommendations are EXTREMELY FAULTY. The first two go to claims that mercury preservative cause autism. That cause and effect has not been established. It is hysterical silliness. Even if true, it only goes to the issue of “don’t preserve vaccines with mercury” and even then, given issues of manufacturing and distribution/use around the world, what is the risk/harm of vaccines with mercury vs not using mercury?
Same with use of live flue cultures. See above.
No. TOTAL FAIL. No risk vs benefit analysis.
I wish DD were an English Major so he could connect a noun and a verb. It looks like he also is a luddite favoring raw man in nature without science.
Got anything better?
1. the spread is REALLY erratic..It isnt spreading LIKE it should.
2. Its been 6 months since the outbreak, it should have infected MORE persons(20% isnt a viable number for a pandemic)
3. A kill rate of 0.05% from the flu and >0.05% from the SHOT IS NOT a reason to get a SHOT.(I use that as an example)
4. Vaccines are good when you have a 1000% survival rate OVER the disease. NOT when the Vaccine cant kill you as easily as what you are preventing.
5. we are a species of ADAPTION. We change as the world changes. IF we do NOT, we die. JUST as all the other species have survived, WE MUST ADAPT. HOw do you think we got here in the first place.
6. there is an OLD STANDARD.. 1% kill rate or higher. Killing off 1% of the world ISNT A BAD THING. WHY save those that are in ill health that DIE OFF in the near future.
Yes protecting children is a good thing, but in the USA we arent going to give SHOTS to kids under 8..
7. there is an OLD trick nature pulls about every 50 years. And its shown in history over the millenniums,.. ANY LARGE GROUP of creatures that gather together, GET INFECTED.
For many reasons, you SHOULD see that the AIRPORTS in major cities are spreading the infection WORLD WIDE into OTHER airports, and spread out from THOSE locations. ALSO, those major cities should be spreading ANY infection, like FIRE IN A WHEAT FIELD.. This infection ISNT SPREADING very fast.
Any large city, is a INFECTION POINT. Check your history. MOST major infections STARTED in port/large cities. Those spared were RURAL areas.
I believe 2 things are happening.
1. the BUG needs a CLOSED space to Infect. You need to stay in a HOME for a week or 2, with NO air purification…IT NEEDS TO GROW to infect. Fresh air isnt enough.
2. Seasonal changes are SLOWING it down. it needs HEAT. not DAMP heat.
AND I think it needs 1 other thing. A carrier. In another 6-12 months this thing could REALLY work. but it still needs to change/adapt.
#21 Stars & Bars said “Thank you for your unsubstantiated mainstream media Pavlovian reaction.”
unsubstantiated?? my God man! you prove my claim with every post you make.
America is the world’s despair. It is overflowing with rich, articulate, supposedly educated, networked people who are utterly scientifically ignorant, or worse deniers to the point of liars. Anti-vaxers like Curry, and I was shock to discover Dvorak, are kooks in denial of history and wrapped up in an anti-government conspiracy mindset like so many Yanks. And Meryl Dorey, president of the AVN, isn’t she proof that Aussies are just as stupid? She would be, except she’s a Yank.
I am old enough not to bother with the jab so I am just gonna sit back and watch what happens.
Hope someone is planing on archiving a ton of live TV over the next year or so. It would be good source for a great movie.
Just a side note:
Assume the pandemic goes wild and millions of people curl up and die.
Will all of the subsequent cremations increase our carbon footprint and hasten the end of the world thru global warming?
Would someone call Al Gore, please? This flu thing has to be stopped!
Bravo Mark! The AVN really is an anti-vaccine organisation.
One point though, the dead baby, Dana McCaffery, was only 4 weeks old and came from an area of the state that has one of the lowest immunisation rates in the country and is currently suffering a whooping cough epidemic.
Oh, and Meryl Dorey is also an HIV/AIDS denier as well as being a member of the Facebook group ‘Australians against vaccination’ and believes vaccines are a plot to commit mass genocide and a method for the “illuminati” to implant all recipients with microchips.
“Those behind the conspiracy to cull the human population and turn the rest into little more than computer terminals are anti-life”
Meryl Dorey
http://nocompulsoryvaccination.blogspot.com/2009/07/flu-is-not-biggest-danger-its-vaccine.html
I can see it now…
WHO( get the shot??
DEVELOPED countries and those that can PAY..
Sign me up… I’ll take the first dose!
Flu vaccines aren’t experimental technology — they’ve been around for decades. I’ve had more than I can remember with nothing worse than a slightly sore arm.
No offense, but I think it is pretty dumb to be afraid of the cure but not the illness.