Under the rules, swimmers – including non-Muslims – are barred from entering the pool in normal swimming attire. Instead they are told that they must comply with the “modest” code of dress required by Islamic custom, with women covered from the neck to the ankles and men, who swim separately, covered from the navel to the knees.
At Loxford School in Ilford, east London, a local Muslim group organises weekly sessions for Muslim men, with the warning that “it is compulsory for the body to be covered between the navel and the knees. “Anyone not adhering to the dress code or rules within the pool will not be allowed to swim”.
Discrimination against Muslims or Catholics or Jews isn’t OK, but against non-Muslims, go for it.
Do they have any nude swimming hours?
Times when you aren’t allowed to pee in the pool?
Swimming with your clothes on makes as much sense as having those clothes on to begin with.
“”Non-Muslims see these extremist demands as an example of Muslims wanting things to fit into their lifestyle, when there aren’t similar things organised for Hindus, Buddhists or Jews. ”
Extremist demands? Extremist?
I don’t see any problem with organising these sessions as long as other community groups are allowed to ‘book the pool’ for events. The only thing that’s extreme is the reaction to anything Muslim. Its either borderline racist or sycophantic. The media are a disgrace.
Islam is a very scary religion. They want to take all the fun out of girl watching!
A couple of years ago, I learned that a pool near here discriminated against a different group. They had nudist swimming sessions. You were not allowed in unless you were wearing nothing.
I am not offended by either. Neither discriminate against me because neither force me to attend. If I was in a normal public session and some group wanted to change what I wore then, that would be bad. This does not affect me and it allows them to do something that the rest of us take for granted!
Alfie–please don’t ever change.
Now, on to Muslims. I think there are 1 or 2 countries where Muslims are in the majority and haven’t imposed religious theocracy on everyone? So thats the numberator. How many Muslim countries form the denominator and TOGETHER this is the risk factor one takes on to losing their country should one allow Muslims in.
Is that intolerant? For good or for bad?
First you MELT, then you get your freedoms.
Silly to allow non-tolerant fascist religions into any country. Keep them locked up festering in their own.
Silly otherwise.
So do the ragheads leave the rags on their heads or not?
Speaking of “pathetically small”, Alfred, has your neurosurgeon found a brain, yet?
I’ll never forget the sight of beach goers in Egypt flashing a bit of bare foot at me. I used to get so excited. Most have a lycra full body suit over which they wear skirts, blouses, etc. It’s a wonder there aren;t more drownings. Oddly, I don’t remember so many of the men being dressed modestly. There were a number of Speedos. And some of European bathers would really set the crowds a tittering by going topless. Shameless hussies.
If the pool is set aside for Muslims, fine with the dress codes. If they are just having a class during regular pool hours, well then, pooh to them. It is their job to accept new customs of countries they have immigrated to.
You might like to read an article about the hijra, the Islamic teaching of moving into a foreign country and taking it over from the inside. This article is in a right wing blog but it does have some points. http://tiny.cc/64Nv2
she’s hot
#7 Bobbo the sophist.
So you would allow freedom of religion except when that religion doesn’t adhere to Western ideals. I see Christianity as a largely ‘non-tolerant fascist religion’ and that’s allowed.
Why is it that common sense and basic democratic principles are abandoned whenever Muslims are mentioned. I have no great love for the Muslim religion and religion is general, but I am 110% behind the right to worship whatever, whenever, as long as you do no harm to others.
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#10–Hugh==So you would allow freedom of religion except when that religion doesn’t adhere to Western ideals //// Exactly. And thats why 100 years from now “I” will still be free in my Western Ideals, and YOU will be a Muslim. Get your knee pads while they are cheap.
I see Christianity as a largely ‘non-tolerant fascist religion’ and that’s allowed. /// I don’t know what you mean, but accept it on face value that all religions are fascist in requiring a single central controller? The DIFFERENCE though is that Christianity seems content enough to allow God to mostly make that decision after you die, whereas Muslims want to control your life NOW. Big Difference – or just sophistry???????
but I take your point. I am quite happy to treat all religions the same and outlaw them as well. Just doesn’t seem pragmatic against the majority religion already established. Seems quite pragmatic at the minority numbers the Muslims have today. Not so much tomorrow with the lack of sophistry YOU display.
Course, being really pragmatic, the fungus doesn’t care.
#13–Alfie==I knew that wasn’t you and almost posted I didn’t think you would even get the joke.
But your point is valid.
Moderator==if you ban, just do it for a limited time. 1-2 weeks on first offense? Like tasering, you don’t want to go overboard.
And to Fake Alfie==just as funny to post as “Not Alfie 1”
See how you can get what you want and still follow the rules?
Then, you only have to learn to take “sophist” as a compliment.
I think Muslims suck, their faith is a bunch of backward, inhibited and violent crap. And I still feel good about myself even though I’m a “hater.”
Maybe we should start by just not letting people in our great country who want to swim with all their clothes on?
Or should it be only those people who don’t want to allow others to swim nude if they wish?
Yes, its all in the phrasing.
#12 Bobbo
Personally I’d rather be a Muslim that a Christian, as I’m a bit of an iconoclast, but I cant see myself as either.
Also, 100 years from now we will both be dead and neither in heaven or paradise. Hate to break the news to you.
“The DIFFERENCE though is that Christianity seems content enough to allow God to mostly make that decision after you die, whereas Muslims want to control your life NOW.”
Not sophistry, but still wrong. How can you say Christians don’t want to control your life now? Its what the Church is all about! Right to life, taking your money, waging war on infidels, hating your body, hating gays etc. All good Christian controlling values.
Of course Christianity does teach humanist values such as ‘thou shalt not kill’, ‘love your enemies’ and ‘love thy neighbour’ etc, but many (including our own Alfred1) choose not to follow.
All religions are controlling. Its what they do.
Pretty flimsy argument Bobbo. Also, a lack of sophistry is a good thing, generally speaking 😉
#19–Hugh==
Not sophistry, but still wrong. How can you say Christians don’t want to control your life now? /// Oh, they WANT TO but by electing not to take on the reigns of government, they can’t. Its the combining of government and religion, or rather displacing government and its power of coercion that marks the Muslims as dangerous. Not more stupid, just more dangerous.
Its what the Church is all about! Right to life, /// Roe v Wade is law of the land. Under attack, but Right to Life is NOT THE LAW.
taking your money, /// hmmm? Not really.
waging war on infidels, /// Huh?
hating your body, /// I love my body!!! or certain parts thereof. Doesn’t matter what I think though as long as I can fool the ladies.
hating gays etc. /// And yet gay marriage will be the rule soon.
All good Christian controlling values. /// and yet none control.
Heh, heh. I see sophistry is a stretch goal of yours?
Keep trying. Practice does make better.
There is no sense in resisting this huge cultural change. It can’t be stopped.
From Mark Steyn’s latest column:
In The Hague, variations of the name Mohammed have taken first, second and fifth place in the table of most popular names for boys.
The most popular names for newborn boys in Brussels, the capital city of the European Union, for 2006:
1) Mohamed
2) Adam
3) Rayan
4) Ayoub
5) Mehdi
6) Amine
7) Hamza
Islam is taking over Europe. The Europeans have used birth control to go the way of the Neanderthal.
#20 Bobbo
In behind all this guff is your assertion that the problem with Muslims is that their society is theocratic in nature, and that religious edit is enforced by law. A fair and worthy comment but I’m not sure it was worth the journey.
Sharia law is not applicable to and will not be adopted by Western governments. I’m not ever sure that many Muslims living in the West would want it.
Your argument that Muslims will eventually take over the West and install Sharia is a stretch at best. I see no evidence of this in my own country, and although there are many Muslims in Europe (but still only 3% of the population in Britain), its pretty unlikely to happen there as well.
Anyway, I fail to see how allowing Muslims to have Muslim only pool sessions puts the Western democratic system in jeopardy. Quite the opposite. It demonstrates its tolerance and goodwill and robustness.
#1 – bobbo – Do they have any nude swimming hours?
Boobs okay?
#3 – earlwallace – Islam is a very scary religion.
Religion is very scary.
#17 – NotPC – I think Muslims suck, their faith is a bunch of backward, inhibited and violent crap.
So is Christianity. It’s such a perverted piece of crap. How fucked up is “Eat the body of Christ”?! Organized virtual necrophilia.
# 21 jbenson2
I’m guessing you (and Mark Stenyn) didn’t take stats in school.
Moderator==please punish Jägermeister at Post #24 for his false and misleading link labeled “Boobs.” It goes to a website with not a single boob on it. Not even a reference to Alfie can be found there.
This is a waste of everyone’s time and suck links should get the user banned.
Speaking of a waste of time, we have #23–Hugh. Geeze. Numerator/Denominator==risk?
And you come back with more “absolutes.” Silly.
I also am quite comfortable with Muslims as a tiny minority. NOW–wrap your tensy brain around this======>>> what happens when they aren’t a minority???? Will you turn to blind assumptions or the facts I put in front of your face.
Yes, I know, you didn’t recognize a formula with an unknown to be provided as a fact.
ba – dump.
#26 Bobbo
“I also am quite comfortable with Muslims as a tiny minority. NOW–wrap your tensy brain around this======>>> what happens when they aren’t a minority????”
I dont know mate, what happens then? Bearded mullahs come round to your house and drag you children off to the mosque where they are ritually fed to Great Cthulhu? The White House is replaced by the Kaaba and Christians are forced to circle around it every year while being whipped by Imam’s? Women take to wearing false beard so they can attend public stonings?
Perhaps, like Christianity, Islam will lose its appeal and diminish in an increasingly materialist world.
Your speculation is pretty meaningless Bobbo. This is what the media does. Meaningless speculation based on fear of the unknown and reinforced with dodgy stats and hyperbole.
Interesting article along the lines of our discourse, Bobbo.
http://gallup.com/poll/104731/muslims-want-democracy-theocracy.aspx
Note, “In the United States, a 2006 Gallup Poll indicates that a majority of Americans want the Bible as a source of legislation.”
The only thing muslims should be bathing in is fire.
Oh, and you have to keep your left hand out of the water.
how funny code……….
Are you going for swimming or war????????????
I always like stories like this. When I get down about how f-d up things are in the US, its the stories like this that make me feel good again.
why do you not mention the fact that there are only certain times in which this is enforced.
I’m not keen on it either, but your innitial post suggests that you can never go to the pool.