Oxford Hills Comprehensive High School will be the site of a National Guard riot control drill Thursday morning to prepare in the event of a panic over distribution of serum to treat the swine flu.
The school on Route 26 at the Paris-Norway [Maine] town line has been designated by state officials as a distribution site for the H1N1 flu vaccine. The drill is to prepare for a worst-case scenario should the serum have to be transported from Augusta and people rush to get it.
On Thursday morning, four or five National Guard Humvees will travel from Augusta to Paris with vials of fake serum. The National Guardsmen will take on the roles of panicked citizens and military police and practice what they would do, such as using tear gas, in the case of a riot.
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Plans were developed in April to have vials of serum sent from the federal government to Augusta, Parker said. From Augusta, the supplies will be transported to designated distribution centers.
During the April conference, concerns were raised about a possible out-of-control rush on the serum, Parker said. Because of that concern, Gov. John Baldacci and Gen. John Libby, adjutant general of the Maine National Guard, agreed that a plan should be devised to quell such a disturbance.
And just for Adam Curry, here is “evidence” that the Illuminati, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group in collusion with the drug companies are behind the swine flu epidemic. Why? To depopulate the US so third world countries can gain control via the U.N.
both found by Brother Uncle Don
“to prepare in the event of a panic over distribution of serum to treat the swine flu.”
They got it so wrong. People will be rioting all right. Not FOR the vaccine, but to get away from it.
Damn it. TooManyPuppies beat me to it. The only way I will take this “vaccine” is at gun point.
The video is inflammatory without being informative. The FDA does not “fast track” drugs and vaccines for the good of their health, here they are doing it because of the urgent time constraints. The H1N1 is gaining in intensity as kids start back to school.
With this flu season starting in a very short time, there isn’t time to do double blind controlled studies taking years. Instead, the FDA and the drug companies are using similar, proven methods used in the past to provide other flu immunizations. There is nothing “experimental” about this vaccine.
@Mr. Fusion
The last time the American people were rushed into something we got the Iraq war. That turned out well.
#5, puppies,
The last time Squalene was used on Americans, it lead to Gulf War syndrome.
More bullshit to explain a stupid point of view. No, you can’t demonstrate squalene causes Gulf War Syndrome is because it didn’t. Like the right wing nuts claiming the Health Bill has “Death Squads” in it, just more FUD.
H1N1 Mexican flu is a rather mild flu. I had it last April and it lasted a whopping 3 days.
Then you won’t need any vaccine. There were several flu viruses around last year so for your sake, I hope you are right. But tell that to the 45 Americans that have died already.
Mr. Fusion (Center)
a) What caused ‘Gulf War Syndrome’?
b) I’ll tell the 45 who died from swine flu and you tell the 13,000 who died of seasonal flu by April.*
*May require ouija board (not included).
How many people died from slipping in the shower in the same time interval?
#7, LDA,
I am neither equipped nor qualified to investigate the cause(s) of ‘Gulf War Syndrome’. It also appears those who are qualified have so far been unable to discover any causes either. I don’t know what your qualifications are but why not post your in-depth investigation.
Like mercury in vaccinations causing autism has been refuted, so has squalene. It doesn’t matter how much you shout it, it just won’t become true.
Get back to me in April as the American Flu season is winding down before you toss around suggestions like that. Hopefully the vaccinations will work and the number of deaths are low. If there is a sizable number of people protected then we will never know the true danger the H1N1 posed.
What makes H1N1 so dangerous is the lack of natural immunity. While most people have immunity to most flu strains, it appears only older people have immunity here.
It is to bad the federal government has squandered their moral authority over the years. Now nobody trusts them even if they have the best of motives. That could cost a great many lives … maybe.
#10, Improbus,
A very true observation. Ignoring the FUD though is not the answer.
#6
ohh wow! 45 americans died??? My gosh. Its a good thing nothing kills that many people in a year!
See #8, and while your at it…tell me how many people were killed by dogs last year, lightning, jaywalking?
From what I’ve read, Mr. Fusion, there are still questions about squalene. It hasn’t been officially approved for humans. It “probably” won’t hurt anyone, but if “probably” ends up being “1 in a thousand” and we immunize 75 million kids, that’s 75,000 kids made sick by the vaccine.
How many lives is this vaccine supposed to save? Has ANYONE given a number? 10? 10,000? 100,000?
And as I’ve said before, there are nuts who believe *all* vaccines are bad. I’m not one of them. But this vaccine rushed into production using a questionable adjuvant is very dubious.
The CDC is concerned over the genetics of H1N1. It contains genes from avian and mammalian species. You have to keep in mind this virus, or any other isn’t static. There are many mutations in every infected individuals. Change one gene sequence and you may have a killer epidemic.
If you want to talk conspiracy, ask if this is a natural virus, or something engineered that escaped into the wild. What do they know, that your not being told. Maybe it’s the Andromeda strain.
#14 Good info, RTaylor, but is there any evidence that this particular mutation is worse than any of the other mutations in past years?
# 9
I was not being a pompous insulting bastard or claiming to know what did or did not cause it, you were.
Who’s shouting’?
Southern hemisphere (e.g. Australia – seasonal 3,000 / H1N1 46).
Flu viruses constantly evolve/mutate (RNA translation errors etc.), if they didn’t they would not continue to infect people (natural immunity). The seasonal flu vaccine is changed yearly and is administered because people do not have natural immunity (or they would not need the vaccine). The H1N1 strain (swine / mexican flu) is also a new virus and people do not have natural immunity to it. If it mutates (either more or less lethal) the vaccine will not work.
P.S. Have you told the 45 dead Americans yet? The 13,000 I spoke to told me to f*** off and stop bothering them with trivialities, apparently Beethoven and Hendrix were about to go on.
Sometimes the burnt hand teaches best.
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True, but sometimes irrational fear draws attention and funding away from more critical causes due to orchestrated hysteria.
#16, LDA,
I was not being a pompous insulting bastard or claiming to know what did or did not cause it, you were.
Oh? then please explain #7
Mr. Fusion (Center)
a) What caused ‘Gulf War Syndrome’?
b) I’ll tell the 45 who died from swine flu and you tell the 13,000 who died of seasonal flu by April.*
To which I replied:
I am neither equipped nor qualified to investigate the cause(s) of ‘Gulf War Syndrome’. It also appears those who are qualified have so far been unable to discover any causes either. I don’t know what your qualifications are but why not post your in-depth investigation.
Maybe you should read your comments before hitting “submit”.
#18, LDA,
#17 _
True, but sometimes irrational fear draws attention and funding away from more critical causes due to orchestrated hysteria.
Do you mean irrational fears like mercury and squalene?
#18 & #20
I still consider both burnt hands.
The history of man has been filled with both reasonable ideals and irrational fears. Sometimes they worked hand in hand.
And yes billions have died because of that interaction over the course of human history; but that would be considered the price of progress to some and misery to others.
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Mr Fusion, assuming that everyone who questions conventional wisdom is a nut is… well, nutty.
You must be talking some other country with only 45 swine flu deaths, in the US it was 353 this week. (Total, not just for this week.)
Funny, if there were no so-called death panels in HB3200 why did the Democrats announce today that they are removing that section from the final bill. They said it might be misconstrued or misused.
Misused is more likely.
Sarah Palin was right and the Democrats got it up the ass.
#22, Phydeau,
No no no!!! Challenging conventional wisdom is healthy. IF, … it is done intelligently. Just screaming “the sky is falling” or whatever with no, or little, evidence won’t convince anyone you have a valid argument.
Question mercury or squaline if it seems suspicious. At the same time though, accept that your challenge might be faulty and the prevailing science is much more solid than you initially thought.
From your previous posts I always thought you a critical thinker. I don’t believe I ever read a previous post where you advocated something without a firm basis. We disagree today but I still value your intelligent discourse, wisdom, and insight.
#23, Mr. Diesel
I think we might have both been wrong.
Data as of Aug. 13, 2009 shows shows 44,000 confirmed cases of swine flu in the United States with 436 deaths. In New Jersey, 1,463 cases have been confirmed with 16 deaths.
#24 Mr Diesel, a million wingnuts chanting “death panel” doesn’t make it so. People who have actually read the bills know that’s nonsense.
You’re thinking with the little head there, listening to Sarah Palin. 🙂 And btw, does anyone really believe it’s her writing those facebook screeds? The sentences are too grammatically correct for Caribou Barbie.
Mr Fusion, from the NIH website.
Adjuvant oils such as Bayol F (Incomplete Freund’s adjuvant: IFA) and squalene (MF59) have been used in human and veterinary vaccines despite poor understanding of their mechanisms of action. Several reports suggest an association of vaccination and various autoimmune diseases, however, few were confirmed epidemiologically and the risk of vaccination for autoimmune diseases has been considered minimal. Microbial components, not the adjuvant components, are considered to be of primary importance for adverse effects of vaccines. We have reported that a single intraperitoneal injection of the adjuvant oils pristane, IFA or squalene induces lupus-related autoantibodies to nRNP/Sm and -Su in non-autoimmune BALB/c mice. Induction of these autoantibodies appeared to be associated with the hydrocarbon’s ability to induce IL-12, IL-6, and TNF-alpha, suggesting a relationship with hydrocarbon’s adjuvanticity. Whether this is relevant in human vaccination is a difficult issue due to the complex effects of
vaccines and the fact that immunotoxicological effects vary depending on species, route, dose, and duration of administration. Nevertheless, the potential of adjuvant hydrocarbon oils to induce autoimmunity has implications in the use of oil adjuvants in human and veterinary vaccines as well as basic research. Copyright 2004 Elsevier SAS
Few? How many is “few”? One study? Two studies?
And btw, back at ya on the compliments. 🙂
Aaaaargh, line break alert! Rassin’ frassin’… sorry about that folks.
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Fusion, the new flavor of kool-aid. And free with your purchase the all-new stuffed blog troll.
I was born in ’50. That either means I’m not worth saving or I’m better off without the shot. Take your pick.
If the strain mutates, and it very well might, I’m not sure how much the shots will help.
By the way the number of cases is almost certainly way higher than the number of reported cases. Most cases are mild and people just stay home for a few days.