Rival political parties in Sweden are split over the prospect of establishing a registry of women who have had abortions, party officials said.
Christian Democrats favor reporting the identities of women who have had abortions but the Moderate, Centre and Liberal parties oppose the move on integrity grounds, the Swedish News Agency reported.
Integrity from theocrats?
Anders Milton, who was commissioned by the government to investigate the issue, suggested inclusion of personal identification numbers of women who had an abortion because he said it would help in follow-up of complications and improve prevention.
“The register always awakes feelings of unease, but I definitely think the idea is worth a try,” Chatrine Palsson Ahlgren, Christian Democrat Member of Parliament said to the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper.
Gee. They could even make it mandatory for these women to sew little patches on their coats. It worked before.
Just goes to show you that the grass is not always greener on the other side.
Aren’t there privacy laws and medical confidentiality laws in place already that this would violate? Also, aren’t there EU level laws also guaranteeing privacy?
Funny, KD has 4% and this will never get through. Still it makes international news.
When the Republicans hear about this they are going to want to do it here. We all know how concerned they are about woman’s health.
I think the women named in the registry would be an embarrassment to the men in the Christian Democrat party. It would backfire badly. Notre Dame research has found the abortion rates among family value Christians are about the same as the rest of the population.
I really don’t care about most people’s personal life, including politicians. But when you run on a “family values” platform you’re just asking for trouble.
Anyone else absolutely sick of the abortion debate?
CBS did an interesting poll about changing attitudes in the last 30 years.
While Americans shifted on most issues, WE ARE STUCK on the abortion issue.
I’m curious — have any of you changed your mind on this subject? If so, what changed your mind?
6 Greg
“Anyone else absolutely sick of the abortion debate?”
Yes. What I find absolutely amazing is that Americans can tout “if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns” but taking that logic to banning the legality of abortions never crosses into only illegal abortions would occur. Not to mention the health problems that would inevitably occur as they have to go back to back-room surgeries and soap vaginal syringes… GAH!
And the naming of late term abortions as “partial birth” abortions? WHAT THE F*CK is that? Criminal.
No matter how you feel about abortion, you should agree it is a bad idea to have an abortion registry of woman who have had abortions.
The problem with the abortion debate in this country is that it was decided by judges instead of the state legislatures where this issue should be decided for each individual state.
I want all believers in elves, unicorns, dragons, witches and sky gods to have to register so we can keep track of these infantile lunatics!
Will we also have a registry of people who had their wisdom teeth removed?
8 Benjamin,
“it was decided by judges instead of the state legislatures where this issue should be decided for each individual state.”
Not sure about that. Womens reproductive rights and health rights should be pretty damn universal in the US.
I think americans treat their cattle and their guns with more dignity and respect than their womens health rights.
How about a registry of people who have pre marital sex? Jesus! You want to follow some stupid religion, fine, just leave everyone else the hell alone and mind your own goddamn business! Even your idiotic teachings claim “God, Allah, whoever” gave everyone free will to accept or reject his teaching. Well there are plenty that reject them so f@#k off already, and let your “master’ deal with us, instead you morons claiming to be his agents.
Phew, that rant felt good. 🙂
I don’t care so much about a woman’s abortions. I wanna know DOES SHE HAVE HERPES.
Genital herpes is epidemic in NYC and SoCal.
This article does not represent Christianity. Christians are against abortions but also know that the women that go through with abortions are severely impacted emotionally.
Scientifically baby in the womb:
– has unique DNA, even as small as a few cells
– is alive and growing
– is human by nature (see embryology)
– while not fully developed has all of the parts to fully mature. (don’t confuse construction with design)
– life is not measured by size
– is a result of specific external events thus not an accident.
#6–greg==”I’m curious — have any of you changed your mind on this subject? If so, what changed your mind?” /// Yes, I used to be a “leave other people alone/get the government out of private lives” kind of guy. Thats called the free/private/pro choice position as opposed to the pro life position.
Over time, I have listened to the pro-life/anti-choice crowd and have become convinced that the GOVERNMENT indeed needs to step in and protect the higher values of society over those intrinsically selfish desires of individuals.
Over time then, I hve become MANDATORY ABORTION ADVOCATE. Purely selfish and anti-life to allow birth defects into this world. Even healthy kiddies should be aborted as demonstrated by the near universal rebuke of the octomom.
So, yes–if your mind is open to the changes that go on constantly in our society, your opinions should change too.
I don’t.
The good book says to leave that sort of judgment to God. Christians that don’t are in bad standing with the boss.
#14–King==clever the way you leave it to us readers to figure out whatever point you are making. Subtle Clues, no direct statement.
Here’s one subtle clue–only pro-lifers/anti individual decision type zealots call a fetus a baby. A fetus “becomes” a baby after it is born, but the language of “baby” has greater appeal—as does “human being” as opposed to undifferentiated mass of non specialized cells/products of conception.
Words are fun. You know who else society kills who are completely innocent? Young males called up in a draft for a war they want no part of. Now, if fetus=baby, then no reason baby cannot = full grown adult. Certain the cost of clothing and feeding them should be less than for a high metablism 18 yo. Lets draft them all and send them to the front.
#16–do ill==I thought the anti-free choice position came about 100’s of years after the good book as Catholic imposed theology. What passage of which bibble do you use to foist this dogma onto victims of your lords mercy?
#17 Bobbo says: “only pro-lifers/anti individual decision type zealots call a fetus a baby. A fetus “becomes” a baby after it is born,…”
Yes, words are fun.
I guess Bobbo, if he is true to his posting, only attends “fetus showers”.
#17 – bobbo,
Wow … that was well done. I almost had trouble following the incredibly twisted logic. However, the twisted logic was no more twisted than the logic that says that a wad of undifferentiated cells has greater rights than the sexually mature female wrapped around it.
#14 – KingTester,
Are you prepared to take responsibility for killing the women you force to carry to term?
The death rate for live childbirth was between 9.1 and 12.4 per 100,000 births in 1978, best I could do. Pregnancy related deaths reached a low of 7.5 per 100,000 in 1982 and have been on the rise since. This later number does include the number for abortion, so is important more for the fact that our medical care is getting worse or childbirth is getting riskier for some other reason and to show that the 1978 number is probably still fairly valid.
The death rates for abortion were 4.1 deaths per 100,000 abortions in 1972 to 0.4 in 1987. These numbers are interesting for two reasons. First, even unsafe illegal abortions are at least twice as safe as childbirth. Second, safe legal abortions make the procedure around 20 times as safe as childbirth.
BTW, I can’t post more than two links on this site. So, instead, I’ll post a link to a reply on my own blog that has the links to medical journal data backing up my numbers.
http://tinyurl.com/mfzp27
#19 – jbenson2,
Sound like this could be another unintended consequence straight out of Obama’s Universal Health Care book to mandate complete government access to all medical records.
What??!!? How does this have anything to do with weather doctors and hospitals are paid by private insurance or government insurance?
#20 – jbenson2,
I guess Bobbo, if he is true to his posting, only attends “fetus showers”.
Interestingly, in Jewish tradition, there are only baby showers, never a fetal shower. It is considered very bad luck to celebrate the arrival of a baby before it is actually a baby.
I’m not sure when Jesus made it OK to do otherwise.
On another only semi-related topic, Jesus had no problem with abortions. They were performed from around 1550 BC onward. And, he never ever mentioned them by name in the new testament. Nor does the old testament make any mention of them at all, despite being written after abortions were already being performed.
With so much sex, violent sex, incest, etc in the bible, why would the authors be mute on this point? Certainly they weren’t squeamish. Perhaps none of the authors of the bible ever had an issue with abortion. Perhaps it is a modern belief being thrust upon a 2,000 year old corpse.
i wonder how this guy would feel about a public register for christians.
@#2 : Aren’t there privacy laws and medical confidentiality laws in place already that this would violate? Also, aren’t there EU level laws also guaranteeing privacy?” – This is consequence of the slippery slope once you do allow Govt. into the health care. If you read the article, the excuse is to “track and follow up on health problems and improve health of these women”. Privacy laws? Overridden by the Govt. who already has the records and can make “health regulations” to make use of them. Only way to avoid this type of abuse (not related just to abortion but to many other health care aspects) is to protect private health data from Govt. 100%: no Govt. database of health records and no Govt. involvement in health care as in such case they can claim that as a payer they must have knowledge and control of such data.
But just try bringing that aspect of “universal health care” to rabid Obamanites who are not looking further than their noses into the future.
As a Swede I think I should point out that the reason this party is acting up is because they have been so close to death for several years now, and probably wouldn’t make parliament this year. They’re pandering to the few, but very opinionated, hardcore christians we got over here. This has zero chance to pass.
#26–dismal==hah, hah. Fun to see someone advancing ignorance and lack of knowledge as a social good.
You see kiddies, once “society” advances to the stage where pre-civilization, virgin birth rose from the dead, one of three dieties no longer drives our subconscious fears and loathing==NO ONE WILL CARE if someone else had an abortion, live births, as a moral issue and therefore all the medical record info will be just that. For those of you slow on the draw==medical record info will be just medical information and not a moral judgment on a person.
Silly twits. Contra–thanks Scott. Good to see you posting and keeping your valuable website active.
Like you guys know anything about Sweden and its politics. You could just as easily label it Democrat Party wants public register…
New Study Results Released:
Fetuses Have Memories
Researchers found that 34-week-old fetuses were able to “store information and retrieve it four weeks later. The team came to this conclusion after performing the tests at 34 weeks and then again at 38 weeks.
Previous research has shown that a fetus has a short-term memory of 24-hours, but this study confirmed these memories can last much longer.
Science, not Morality
It is unlikely to happen in this country.
The American Christian Taliban won’t have a chance on this one.
This does appear to be one of the few “Christian” parties in Europe that is actually somewhat Christian.
Most countries in Europe have stricter abortion laws than in America. If we adopted those laws, the feminists would go berserk.