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Why wonder? In the time it took you to write the question, you could have had the answer.
Vermont has a 42% gun ownership rate.
California has a 21.1% gun ownership rate.
DC has a 3.8% gun ownership rate.
The murder rate in Vermont is 1.3 people per 100,000
The murder rate in California is 6.7 per 100,000
The murder rate in DC is 35.4 per 100,000. 27 times worse than Vermont, while having less than 1/10th the guns.
Does that put the lie to the gun control argument? Yes, of course it does.
http://swivel.com/data_sets/spreadsheet/1003599
I have no sympathy for tax deadbeats. I pay mine. I’ll thank you to pay yours or get out.
One more point: I’m not American, but even I can tell the difference between Federal, State, and Local issues and laws. The cartoonist seems to me to be addressing all of these, not just Federal laws. The military is over in the Middle East for Federal reasons, of course, but it’s State laws that put pot smokers in jail. Who do you blame for that: Obama, or Arnie?
Ah_Yea said:
“By and large, Liberals talk a good game but it’s a lie. They are all about doing good in the world but when it comes to putting their boots on the ground, they run to Canada.”
I think they all stayed in US and voted dude. We’re up to our asses in Republicans all whining about how hard it is to find Fox News on cable and buying up every Cuban cigar they can find. Please make the whinging stop, I beg you.
#25m Ah Yea,
Who cares about gun murders?
I would imagine those getting killed care. The friends and relatives of the victim usually care.
Of course if you take away all guns, gun murder goes down. But what about Total Murder?
Great idea. I think I would rather try to outrun a golf club or a knife than a gun from several feet away.
In the 1950s gangs were coming into the fore in most cities. Their usual weapons included knives, clubs, and similar hand weapons along with single shot, home made “zip guns”. Gang fights were quite common but deaths were relatively rare. For a peek into gang life, see west Side Story
Now move ahead about three or four decades when hand guns have flooded the market and heavier assault type weapons are common. The murder rate has soared to many times its previous marks.
http://tinyurl.com/ohdl7z
# 31 Ah_Yea said, “Does that put the lie to the gun control argument? Yes, of course it does.”
And, Ah_Yea successfully owns all gun control nuts on this board…
# 12 Mr. Fusion said, “Rakiah is correct. ”
Fusion, owned once again.
Cow-Patty
You are such an idiot. You wouldn’t know a statistic if it bit you in the female part.
Duh….Whoda Thunk!!!????
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2007-releases/press01112007.html
“[Matthew Miller], Assistant Professor of Health Policy and Injury Prevention at Harvard School of Public Health, and his colleagues [David Hemenway] and [Deborah Azrael], used survey data from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s 2001 Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, the world’s largest telephone survey with over 200,000 respondents nationwide. Respondents in all 50 states were asked whether any firearms were kept in or around their home. The survey found that approximately one in three American households reported firearm ownership.
[…]
Analyses that controlled for several measures of resource deprivation, urbanization, aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, and alcohol consumption found that states with higher rates of household firearm ownership had significantly higher homicide victimization rates for children, and for women and men. In these analyses, states within the highest quartile of firearm prevalence had firearm homicide rates 114% higher than states within the lowest quartile of firearm prevalence. Overall homicide rates were 60% higher. The association between firearm prevalence and homicide was driven by gun-related homicide rates; non-gun-related homicide rates were not significantly associated with rates of firearm ownership. “
#39, Wow, they really screwed up their results. Just about every other study out there shows just the opposite. Methinks the guy is trying to justify his grant money.
Re: #40
Yah, the Harvard School for Public Health is well known for its inferior academics and statistical analyses.
Uh huh. Right.
#41, Perhaps he should define what he considers a “victim.”
Homicide is not always illegal. Self-defense killings are considered homicides as well.
His study shows deaths. Not murders.
Perhaps his terminology is confusing those who don’t consider shooting back at your attacker to be fair.
So, ah, according to you, the whole study is skewed because such a large proportion of gun homicides are actually self defense and not murder?
OK. Excuse my skepticism, and reality, Mr. NRA.
The Myth of Millions of Annual Self-Defense Gun Uses: islandia.law.yale.edu/donohue/Hemenway%20(1997).pdf
#43, So he gets a free pass for not distinguishing between legal and illegal homicide because by not doing so supports gun control?
That’s a laugh.
#39 Rakiah
“This study was supported by the Joyce Foundation.”
“ince 2003, the Joyce Foundation has paid grants totaling over $12 million to gun control organizations and for research into gun violence prevention. The largest single grantee has been the Violence Policy Center, which received $4,154,970 between 1996 and 2006, and calls for an outright ban on handguns, semi-automatic and other firearms, and substantial restrictions on gun owners”
“The Joyce Foundation’s Annual Reports list Barack Obama as one of the 12 members of the Board of Directors from 1998 until 2001 .”
Duh!!
Stupid link.
And talk about stupid links, Fusion’s graph takes the cake.
I think the rise in gun violence is a direct result of the breakdown of the family due to liberal causes.
Oh, and the Hemmingway paper doesn’t say the statistics for gun self defense ARE misleading, he says the MAY be misleading.
So??
It is obvious that it is the fault of gay marriage and the civil rights movement that there has been a rise in gun violence, which there isn’t because most gun deaths are from self defense.
http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/SmithT1.htm