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>Please enlighten us about this useful intelligence that was gathered.
Obama released memos to the public about waterboarding and other methods. Read those.
Well said #31. Except for the go back to Russia bit…
A store cop busted me doing some “Enhanced Shopping Techniques” but, thank goodness, a conservative judge let me off because my lawyer told me it was legal.
I love this country!
Jesse’s advice is probably about as good as his governorship.
Torture can be divided into 2 categories:
1. Torture that maims or permanently injures a person
2. Duress and discomfort
I would be against duress and discomfort for citizens, but I’m all for it for use against enemies of the state.
I am against actual torture defined as maiming or permanently injuring someone in all cases and do not believe the government should ever be allowed to do so.
#32 Carcarius you here stuff about him being a bad governor for MN because he pissed off the Republicans and the Democrats. I’m a native Minnesotan but I moved in 96, the rest of my family still lives in MN. I would have voted for Jesse in a heartbeat (he was Mayor of Brooklyn Park a Minneapolis suburb when I moved)
Jesse still managed to get things done even though he did not have any support in the state government.
#21
There goes Dallas again, acting about as cultured as that crap city he’s names himself after. Thanks a lot for the slam regarding the Navy Seals…real smart you jackass.
What’s this about stuffing Jindal is a can? Are you some kind of racist loser who feels threatened? WTF is so wrong with Jindal that he gets your panties in a bunch little man? Scared of ideas that differ from yours?
Give Jesse Ventura a water board, Alfred1, and one hour and Jesse will have Alfred1 confessing to having sex with sheep! Why? Because waterboarding is TORTURE, and with TORTURE you can get just about anyone to confess anything!
#38, Great Disappointment,
Anyone that claims they are a “Great American” just has to be a poser. When you are good, you don’t need to tell others.
Dallas did not “slam” the SEALS. Unlike you. SEALS is an acronym. By capitalizing it you just referred to the entire branch as an aquatic animal. I think they might like your apology.
Then you call Dallas a crap city. Several million people are crap? Yet somehow you are offended by Dallas’s discussing something in the video. What kind of effen moran are you?
Then you make a racist remark about Dallas. That is getting low.
The effen right wing nuts sure have a lot of pride in the likes of you.
#38 “Great American”? Is that your feeble attempt to add worth or distinction to you to your diatribe?
That’s about as lame as what the some of these bigot groups call themselves such as “xxx Wonderful Family Association”. You goofball POS.
Here’s an update on your buddy Cheney regarding torture…..
” Cheney Say He’s Open To Testifying Before Congress, But Not Under Oath”.
Oh goodie, he’s willing to testify as long as he’s free to lie. So that’s the POS you support, Great American?
Cheney on a waterboard?!?!?!
Put it on pay per view. We could boost the economy out of recession, bail out the banks, and the auto companies, as well as zero out the national debt!
Ventura is all talk, no action.
What a wimp!
#32 – because of conditions at the time, Jesse was the best candidate. Skippy wanted to spend everyone’s money on everything imaginable and Normie wanted to spend everyone’s money on stadiums for all. Jesse actually talked tax cuts. He did deliver initially too. Jesse’s problem is that he’s thin skinned like Obama and over time it turned out that he was in it for himself first. He knew he couldn’t win a second term and didn’t run.
Choose which of the following are considered torture: Waterboarding or a bullet randomly coursing through your guts on a battlefield? Hint: Not the bullet. That’s ok because society has decided that is legal.
Next week, the choices include 1 minute of waterboarding and decades on death row counting down to execution.
So I guess it’s not torture if it’s legal.
Yeah, waterboarding will make you say anything. Except, of course, where a bomb or enemy HQ is located. (Or is it that those against waterboarding cannot for the life of themselves figure out how you could ever confirm such information?)
I sure hope the rest of war isn’t as bad as waterboarding.
RBG
The really sad thing is waterboarding is not even necessary in the Middle East. All you have to do is force them to wear a suit made out of ham.
#45, RBG,
Sometimes your ignorance defies all bounds of logic.
What happens on the battlefield is called war. When a person is captured there are specific rules. If a person is captured on the battlefield, they become a Prisoner of War. If they are captured in a police action, they are a prisoner. Both are guaranteed basic rights under the Geneva Conventions and Criminal Law.
One of those rights is that they are not tortured. I understand how much you want to see them maimed and treated very harshly. But that is wrong.
And if you don’t think water boarding is torture, then why don’t you volunteer and try it out.
Most of those released already from Guantanamo said they were tortured. And apparently the Pentagon now believes these guys innocent. Over 500 of them were innocent people, caught on the field or turned in by enemies for the bounty. Tortured. So what choice did you give them?
47. Mr. Fusion. What defies logic is your inability to recognize that the world, and war in particular, is full of torture. But neatly categorized into whether it can officially be called “torture” or not simply by the artificial and convenient contrivance called “rules.”
Funny how suddenly these precious “rules” don’t mean a thing when it includes interfering with an illegal drug high. Work on hypocrisy first.
And speaking of rules, I just don’t recall the enemy combatants signing up for this “agreement” called the Geneva Convention. But a small detail like that shouldn’t concern those who don’t give a crap for the Americans risking their ass to protect yours.
If you think war is not torture, then why don’t you volunteer and try it out. Are you beginning to see the illogical nature of your arguments?
RBG
#48, and yet, there is still a very significant difference between waging what could be called a just war, and waging total war.
#48 RBG
You fucking coward, don’t speak about WAR or torture until you’ve been in a WAR, AND MOST OF ALL, don’t you dare speak for REAL AMERICANS who have served in combat.
Yes, WAR is hell and lots of innocent people get killed or maimed for life, as if you care. Trust me, those are not good memories to have.
Yes there are “rules” of WAR and those rules are important, you communist bastard!!!!!!
Sorry, you’re talking to a former military officer. But I don’t have to experience suicide either to say something obvious about it.
Btw, It’s reasonable to assume that a poll of Americans serving in combat (and their families) would show they would like to know where their enemies are hiding out with weapons ready to kill. Like maybe their very lives depended upon it? “Real” Americans are funny that way. I doubt they are thinking much about the minute or so of extreme discomfort waterboarding provides given the real threat to their lives. But maybe you know something I do not.
I’m for the rules, but they can’t be made by arm chair social analysts and based upon some out-dated trench warfare “utopia” but rather based upon present realities and, above all, certainly commensurate with real horrors of war.
RBG
# 51 RBG
You sir, strike me as the “arm chair social analyst” how doesn’t know his head from his ass.
The article here http://huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/13/exfbi-interrogator-harsh-_n_203033.html is constant from what I’ve witnessed first hand.
There is nothing reliable about torture, expect people with HITLER complexes getting their rock off, like you!!!
52 noname.
Jesse Ventura seems to disagree with you about the effectiveness of waterboarding.
As does this article originally from the Chicago Tribune:
“Consider Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the 39-year-old former Al Qaeda operative who was the Sept. 11 mastermind and bearer of many Al Qaeda secrets. If anyone had a motive for remaining silent, it was the man known to terrorism investigators as “KSM.” But not long after his capture in Pakistan, in March 2003, KSM began to talk. He ultimately had so much to say that more than 100 footnoted references to the CIA’s interrogations of KSM are contained in the final report of the commission that investigated Sept. 11.”
http://tinyurl.com/7wcsz7
Or maybe waterboarding just isn’t frightening enough to make someone talk. You think?
RBG
# 53 RBG
“Jesse Ventura seems to disagree with you about the effectiveness of waterboarding.”
What tape did you listen to?
If you feel false confessions are effective results, then I guess your right, otherwise; you full of shit as usual!!!!!!
You said you where a military officer; not with a dull brain that can’t distinguish the difference in battle outcomes lead by false intelligence over factual intelligence. You sir, where a pretty shitty officer!!!!!!
In fact, it was just in the news; Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, a former “ghost prisoner” of the United States whose false confession on links between Saddam Hussein’s regime and al-Qaeda was used to justify the invasion of Iraq, has died in Abu Salim prison in Tripoli, Libya.
I thought I listened to the same tape as the guy who made up the headline: “Ventura: Give me a Waterboard, Cheney and One Hour and I’ll make him Confess to the Manson Murders.” (Actually Ventura said “Sharon Tate Murders.”) What headline did you read?
The point is, they will confess to anything and *everything*. Everything.
But I love your response because, unlike your opinion, it’s just so easy to actually prove how you have no idea what you are talking about.
Now this may be a difficult concept for you so pay close attention. Anytime a confession results in a location that could be false… or true, you check it out. I know. Quite revolutionary.
Further, from the Chicago Tribune reference above:
“Not that everything KSM said was believable. But much of his information checked out in separate questioning of other captured Al Qaeda figures.”
Glad to be of service in your re-education.
RBG