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Wasn’t that Kevin Malone?
Alfredone… May I waterboard you?
#3. Let Jesse do it.
alfred,
does that mean it just feels like torture?
With Dick’s bad heart he probably would not last five minutes.
#1 It’s Kevin Malone with a fantastic baldie-mullet!
Go Jesse Go!
What’s the point? The point of this torture wasn’t to manufacture confessions, which it can, but to get useful intelligence, which it did.
palooka…you’re not saying that’s a bad thing, are you?
MikeN…that’s precisely the problem, beyond the whole torture thing.
hmmm… A whole new meme: “What Would Jesse Do?”
Ah c’mon, let me waterboard Alphie, please, please please, me me me me me me, I wanna, I wanna
#9
Ya, so why haven’t you caught Osama with all that useful intelligence. What load of BS MikeN. Torture doesn’t work. It just lowers America’s moral standing. It amazes me how easily people can be turned into Nazi’s.
#9 “The point of this torture wasn’t to manufacture confessions, which it can, but toget useful intelligence, which it did.”
Please enlighten us about this useful intelligence that was gathered.
There is no evidence that torture actually produces useful information, and any info that is recovered is automatically suspect. Besides that, how the hell are we supposed to fight the “War on Terror” and “defend freedom” when we’re locking people up for years without charges and torturing possibly innocent people?
Stop attacking alfrred1. He’s right. What the hell does someone who has been waterboarded know about what waterboarding is like? alread is much more likely to know what waterboarding is like…someone who sits on the internet, keyboard jockeying
Defending torture is so f*cking unamerican that it boggles my mind that this shit actually gets any traction. You sick shitheads get the f*ck out of my country.
who said anything about using waterboarding to make someone “confess” to something. this isn’t a bad hollywood movie though it reads like one… they didn’t pick those guy up off the berkley campus waving stupid ass protest signs… thought that still wouldn’t have bothered me… being part of a plot to murder innocent ppl is what they were a part of.. they did it here, in spain, and tried to do it in england. had clinton’s ppl done the same none of those ppl would have died so needlessly and who gives a flying whatever for what jessie thinks.
#17, har!
#13 “It amazes me how easily people can be turned into Nazi’s.”
May I introduce you to the work of Dr. Stanley Milgram? It only takes a few minutes.
I might also note that for many of us, Dick Chaney is more enemy combatant than public official. Heck, he didn’t even know which branch of government he worked for…
Question for the day. Why is the former governor of Minnesota named after a California city? And misnamed at that. It’s really San Buenaventura.
Ignorance is what boggles my mind. The sheep on both sides of this are idiots.
What Ventura has on just about everyone here is that he’s served, so he really does know the issue better than everyone else here. That’s said, it should be a judgment call made by the guys in the field of combat where these things would matter.
Then set all the whining crying liberal AND conservative arm chair quarterbacks over here on fire.
Seems like Alfred1 was also a water boarded Navy Seal. Who would a thunk?
Anyway, love that talk straight Jesse Ventura! Love to see him stuff a Bobby Jindal into a soda can just for amusement.
Jesse Ventura seems to be a guy who says what he believes is true. I wish he’d reconsider leaving politics, because we have very few pols we can trust.
Jesse was right on so many issues in this interview it was refreshing to hear. Could we have a pay per view Cage of Death Match Ventura Vs. Cheney?
#13 “It just lowers America’s moral standard”
Hmmm….have you watched any TV, listened to popular music, counted the number of abortion, seen all the states going for same-sex marriage, murders in the streets, bankers et al screwing everyone out of their last penny?
Not sure we can do any more to hurt America’s “moral standard”!
#22 Which is why the Minnesota press and legislature hated him so much. Someone in power who plainly speaks his mind (whether right or wrong) just scares the crap out of them.
Why is it, it’s always the American Veteran that understands first the business end products of torture and war and abores them both.
It’s always the clueless simpletons, like # 2 Alfred1, # 9 MikeN, # 15 Fat_Anarchy, # 18 faustus and of course Dick Chenny who always think being more evil is how evil is beat back, so so Un-American.
Some bit of American history for the Un-American Simpletons::
John Adams argued that humane treatment of prisoners and deep concern for civilian populations not only reflected the American Revolution’s highest ideals, they were a moral and strategic requirement. His thoughts on the subject, expressed in a 1777 letter to his wife, might make a profitable read for Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld as we endeavor to win hearts and minds in Iraq. Adams wrote: “I know of no policy, God is my witness, but this — Piety, Humanity and Honesty are the best Policy. Blasphemy, Cruelty and Villainy have prevailed and may again. But they won’t prevail against America, in this Contest, because I find the more of them are employed, the less they succeed.”
In accordance with this proud American tradition, President Lincoln instituted the first formal code of conduct for the humane treatment of prisoners of war in 1863. Lincoln’s order forbade any form of torture or cruelty, and it became the model for the 1929 Geneva Convention. Dwight Eisenhower made a point to guarantee exemplary treatment to German POWs in World War II, and Gen. Douglas McArthur ordered application of the Geneva Convention during the Korean War, even though the U.S. was not yet a signatory.
Re: The Video.
Amen.
Ass
Torture is done by scared people looking for information they desperately want.
If some sicko had somebody I loved buried somewhere and time was running out I’m afraid that I would be more than willing to hurt them to make them talk.
That being said I thought it was wrong from day one. I even looked down the road and saw this day coming.
I have wondered from time to time if the information was worth it but we clearly lost the moral high ground and that was/is worth something as well.
On the other hand I do not now and never have wanted the people being held in Cuba inside the U.S. We know a lot of the ones we have released have gone back to their holy war and the ones not released are even more dangerous.
You want them out of Cuba? Let them live with you. Nobody else wants them alive.
My respect for Jesse has risen considerably after watching this. When the man’s right, he’s right.
# 29 deowll
Wrong:
Torture is done by scared people looking for information they desperately want.
Wrong, this wasn’t the case::
If some sicko had somebody I loved buried somewhere and time was running out….
The people who tortured where never in immediate or other wise any danger. The had their 9-5 jobs safely removed from the battle fields of Afghanistan and IRAQ.
The people who tortured violated their own training, ARMY FIELD Manual.
It’s too easy for a coward to beat on someone with the pretense of wanting information.
I can boldly say this because I am combat veteran who arbores torture, cowards and WAR.
# 29 deowll your nothing more then another ignorant coward, as is # 2 Alfred1, # 9 MikeN, # 15 Fat_Anarchy, # 18 faustus and of course Dick Chenny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
None of you are any good to your country or anything else. GO BACK TO RUSSIA where you belong.
I’ve always liked Jesse Ventura. However, I always seem to hear that he was a terrible governor for MN. I’ll have to research it to find out why. If Jesse Ventura runs for President for either the Libertarian or Constitution Party in 2012 (maybe Ron Paul can help) we may see a chance for some REAL change. If Ron Paul and Jesse team up… wow, could be pretty interesting.
Yeah, wishful thinking, but hey, it’s better than dealing with the two-party-is-really-one-party BS we’ve been dealing with for about 20+ years.