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#65 Looking4Truth. Think of two situations. One, you have a dollar in your pocket. Second, you imagine that you have a dollar in your pocket. In both cases, the “concept of dollar” is the same, but the existence is not.
The concept of God exists (we’re debating it, eh?). The concept does not necessitate the existence, quite the opposite. All things being equal (and I think that’s what you’re arguing), then God does not exist. The “concept of God” is not weakened by the lack of it’s existence – however it doesn’t even come close to making it necessary.
The arguments that an orderly universe requires a thoughtful creator, or that we see movement and effects around us so there must be a prime mover – both really rest on the above argument.
The moral creator argument is better. We tend to live virtuous lives and seek a higher good. This, to my mind, a stronger argument that God should exist. However, the counter argument is that this is simply a demonstration of practical reason. We survive better individually and as a species if we co-operate and live good lives. Occam’s razor is applied and the counter argument wins. What this means is that morality on it’s own has no need of religion.
So usually it falls back to uncertainty coupled with faith to seal the deal. Personally I find that insufficient but a belief system made from pure faith is something I can’t argue against and, believe it or not, I personally respect. However, most believers who want to argue the existence question (e.g. faith based science) forget that the burden of proof lies with them, and not the atheist.
Would someone please send Alfred1 to his “rapture” or whatever nonsense he believes in, right NOW?
“Hey, Alfred1, if it makes you feel any better, I wish the Rapture had been yesterday.”
Me too. We’d finally be rid of all those annoying, self-righteous christians.
Hmmm… To me this has always seemed a very diverse group, but to Alfie, we are all exactly the same, though I’d hate to meet someone who is actually like who he describes…
# 10 Alfred1 said, in part:
“Cool service…wish I was there…”
Hmmm… Anyone want to start a collection to send Alfie to Afghanistan?
Jesus hates Muslin, prefers polyester.
Sending Christian troops armed with guns and bibles only sounds bad when it’s call the Crusades.
These Muslims are sooooo sensitive.
#58 Alfie Ralfie Malfie,
if you want to prove Christianity is as dangerous as Islam…tell them what you really think about Allah…be sure to leave your correct address…
I blog anonymously for a reason. Radical Muslims aren’t the only reason. Radical Christians scare the hell out of me too.
If they only pray God show the truth (Christ ) to you…then you proved your point.
You are such a fantastic complete and utter ass that you can’t even say truth without the assumption that truth is Christ. By what argument do you assume so? Because a fictional character said so? How could you possibly know that Allah is not the truth? Nor Zeus. Nor Odin. All have the same evidence to back them up.
If I have time…I will respond…to rational questions…
Malfie, you wouldn’t know a rational question if it bit you on the nose. And, you sure as hell wouldn’t have a clue how to respond rationally.
Get these morons out of the military.The whole “I kill for Jesus crowd” scares the shit out of me.
# 77 billabong said, “Get these morons out of the military.The whole “I kill for Jesus crowd” scares the shit out of me.”
Why don’t you sign up and ask one of them to leave?
#65 – Looking4Truth – Can you prove that God doesn’t exist?
Not so easy is it…
The burden of truth is on you, not us. We’re not the one to make the claim that this paranormal creature exist.
James Randi’s 1 million dollar challenge is still in effect. Just sign up your God to create ONE miracle that can’t be scientifically explained, and the money is yours and we all will bend over to Yahweh in awe.
#66 – tomdennis – What’s it all about, Alfie?
LOL
#68 – Kanga bill
Good answer.
#65 – Looking4Truth,
#63 Can you prove that God doesn’t exist?
First, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Provide at least some evidence of god. There is none.
Second, the best argument for god is that the universe exists so someone must have created it.
This fails for at least two reasons:
1) Quantum mechanics denies such cause and effect. Things pop in and out of existence all the time at the quantum level. The universe at the time of the big bang was in a quantum state, so could have popped into existence perfectly in line with one of our most proven scientific theories.
2) If god is required to create the universe, then a god god must be required to create god. And, a god god god must be required to create the god god. And so on. The hypothesis flies right up its own asshole in endless recursion.
The god hypothesis fails for being a logical impossibility.
#73 – Uncle Patso,
Hmmm… Anyone want to start a collection to send Alfie to Afghanistan?
I’m in!!
#78 – Patty-Oh – Why don’t you sign up and ask one of them to leave?
Is that how you operate? If you don’t like the attitude of some rotten police officers, you’ll join the police force, just to talk to them and get them out of the force? I guess you must be a jack of all trades, eh?!
Hey Alfie,
I noticed you missed my post 52. I’m still curious whether god was just practicing with human eyes and got better when he made squid eyes. Or, did he make the squid eyes first and then forget how? Or, does he just like squid better than humans?
Really, read the post. This was a perfectly logical question. Why did you ignore it?
these crazt motherfunkers need to funking get the hell out of there. we dont want crazy assholes representing the US in our military. they should be kicked out the military or delt with accordingly.
these crazy motherfunkers need to funking get the hell out of there. we dont want crazy assholes representing the US in our military. they should be kicked out the military or delt with accordingly.
What a boring news…I am just curious what would have happened if a Muslim soldier was preaching Islam to the occupied US citizens? hmm…
#70, qb… well said.
It’s what I would say if my brain wasn’t over easy with a sprinkle of pepper.
Re: Looking4Truth (Alfred1) said,
“Can you prove that God doesn’t exist? Not so easy is it…”
I could prove that he’s highly unlikely.
Can you prove Peter Pan doesn’t exist?
Same arguments …. same conclusion.
I just love how Alfred has confused libertarian ideas with religious ones. It’s quite amusing. And you know, Hitler had the support of the catholic church, just as many totalitarian states today have the support of religion (Iran, Pakistan, the Vatican etc). 🙂
Religion, you will most likely find, is a threat to the libertarian idea of non-aggression, since it teaches people to act in the name of “the lord” ™.
Go read a book Alfie. (Other than the bible)
Some of the comments on this board are downright disgusting, comparing Christians to the evil monsters that killed over 3,000 innocent people on 9/11. When he talks about hunting people for Jesus he is talking about being a fisher of men (John 21:1-17).
Christianity is not comparable to Wahabbist Islam. To suggest something like this shows your ignorance.
#90 I think you’ll find that for Republican politicians, a ‘fisher of men’ means something entirely different. 😉
#90 Jeff wrote “Christianity is not comparable to Wahabbist Islam. To suggest something like this shows your ignorance.”
The confusion probably comes from the fact that Christians worship the Jewish demon Yahweh, who suspended the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” so that the Israelites could slaughter men, women, and innocent children in pursuit of ethnically cleansing the Promised Land. If you could illuminate us as to why you should not be associated in any way with those evil acts even though you worship and praise the god responsible, many of us would be all ears.
Hello, Jeff, we’re listening…
#90. Jeff- Hey Idiot, do you have ANY clue how many innocent Iraqis, Afghan, and now Pakistani women and children have been killed since 9/11, under the guise of “collateral damage”. The Iraqis had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. It’s been in the papers, CAN YOU FUCKING READ.
To suggest something like this shows your ignorance. Wake up asswipe.
#90 – Jeff,
Some of the comments on this board are downright disgusting, comparing Christians to the evil monsters that killed over 3,000 innocent people on 9/11. When he talks about hunting people for Jesus he is talking about being a fisher of men (John 21:1-17).
Christianity is not comparable to Wahabbist Islam. To suggest something like this shows your ignorance.
Umm … IRA? Clinic bombings and doctor shootings? Inquisitions? Crusades? Really?
I’m not so sure. Perhaps Christians are a tad different in magnitude at this particular point in time, but certainly not different in kind.
#94
Leave IRA out of it. Or add British Army.
and stick to the times you can actually remember yourself, inquisitions and crusades were almost as long ago as Prophet Fuckhammad give or take few centuries (who cares)
#95 – 888,
What an incredibly intelligent and well thought out post. Clearly, you have given this a lot of thought. </sarcasm>
Exactly why should we leave out a Christian war of Catholics vs. Protestants complete with terrorism and bombs exploded in populated areas? This is well within my memory and probably yours, unless you are too young to remember 1996.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Manchester_City_Centre_bombing
And perhaps even too young to remember 2001
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_August_2001_Ealing_bombing
I note you have no comment about clinic bombings and doctor shootings, more contemporary Christian terrorism.
Yes, clearly Christianity is fundamentally different than Islam. Sure it is.
The Judeo-Christian-Islamic religion is singular. Some flavors are worse than others at various times in history. However, the basic tenets of the belief in a desert war god/spoiled child in the sky are the same.
This religion, with nearly half the world’s population subscribing to some flavor of it, is a xenophobic and violent mass psychosis.
I really don’t care if your god exists or not. I won’t serve something as evil as the christian god. If it has the power to send me to hell then fine, send me to where all the good people are, instead of the blind, the trivial – followers willing to kill and abuse to benefit their own after life, the people who serve no one and nothing but their own ego and superstition. That’s simply weak, and base, and low. I won’t serve or pray to that evil filth under any circumstance. I’m a good person – I care about the innocent, the weak, the poor, and I don’t need some silly patchwork of a fictional book to back it up, nor the knowledge than millions of imbeciles agree with me. The christian god is, by it’s own accounts in it’s own works, a vain, corrupt, amoral, lying, brutal force, and personally I think the true test is to be faced with that choice: serve something evil that might benefit you alone, or deny it and become a higher force of true righteousness. I can’t wait to meet your god. I really can’t. Because it’s nothing to fear – shit growing cold in the bowl. Of that I am absolutely sure.