Does anyone really think there is such a thing as privacy anymore in this country? And remember those now quaint times when we believed the Constitution and Bill of Rights protected our freedoms? Ah, good times, good times…
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We could always start the revolution that was due 200 years ago.
*Gets put on FBI watch list*
Damn it!
Dave–I hope you get a chance to read your link. Seems the discussion needs to move from the “expectations of privacy/freedom” arguments of the past that you use and the “ease of violation/security test” most likely to be used in the future.
Should people be allowed to plan a bank robbery by exchanging unencrypted email with one another? Is an expectation of privacy even exist if you don’t encrypt your email? Then apply same notions to phone calls, and even the mail.
I think conversations within ones own castle should be an area of protected privacy–no laser beams on window panes to hear what I say or monitor what I read/watch on tv.
“Constitutional rights are not a suicide pact” as someone said.
As long as the terrorists don’t fuck around with SUV’s, beer or football, the Republicans are good.
#3 Dallas:
In case you hadn’t noticed, Obama (the former Democrat senator from Illinois) is the President, and the Democrats have majorities in both houses of congress. It’s time to start thinking about what they are doing, not what you think about some redneck trailer-park resident who probably doesn’t vote anyway.
4,
That was really funny. Do you normally write such humour pieces, or was this special?
Welcome to the CHANGE! Gulag Americanus. Interesting that Oblahblah’s robotic minions didn’t think to ask what CHANGE! he actually had in mind. Enjoy!
#4: Every workplace has rules and regulations, many of which are government mandated. Hospitals are no different. If Muslim janitor doesn’t like that his workplace and the law allows women to work there, tough. He can go elsewhere. Same with doctors who don’t like abortion for religious reasons. Why should a doctor be exempt in ways others aren’t? What makes them so special? Don’t like the rules, go play somewhere else.
‘Religious freedom’ means the freedom to worship without government interference. The workplace is not a church.
“And remember those now quaint times when we believed the Constitution and Bill of Rights protected our freedoms?”
Umm, no. It’s been under attack for decades.
..ALL thanks to you loons who applaud Government Tyranny…as long as its against business and religious people…but eventually, they will come after you…”
I’m with you. I’m against government tyranny too – we just need to agree on the definition!
As far as religion goes, you want freedom of religion – I also agree!! BUT, I also want freedom FROM religion! I think we disagree there.
# 11 Dallas said, “BUT, I also want freedom FROM religion! I think we disagree there.”
You already have that. No one can force you to be religious or be part of a religion.
Uncle Dave
Your Muslim janitor may not like his surroundings but no one demands that he perform duties he finds morally reprehensible.
To require a doctor to perform abortions when he believes them to be wrong is different.
For the record, I refuse to work for a woman and find it morally reprehensible.
#15, Alphie,
Freedom to practice religion is guaranteed…not your desire to exclude it from the public square.
Religion is analogous to philosophy, if the former can be excluded from the public square as offensive, then so can any philosophy deemed offensive.
Wrong on the first count. We may ban ALL religious worship from the town square if those in the town square are not willing to allow all forms of worship, including Devil Worship.
Wrong on the second count. Philosophy is a way of viewing or discussing a subject. Religion is the belief in something that can’t be proven. While religion might be discussed philosophically, that doesn’t make it philosophy.
Hey, when are you going to post that link that shows where Obama sold drugs? You said it, now I would just like to get the back ground on it.
Let’s cut to the chase. You’re conveniently ignoring the well known 800 pound gorilla by deflecting the conversation to a nonsense issue.
It’s not about practicing religion – it’s about letting it infiltrate into government.
I totally support people practicing religion and do so myself when I buy Christmas gifts and shit.
The point is, the Muslim Taliban, the Christian Taliban and any other Taliban that works its way into my government will not be tolerated. Never mind your foolish and irrelevant discussion of street square worship.
# 16 Mr. Fusion said, “Philosophy is a way of viewing or discussing a subject.”
Umm, no.
philosophy:
(1): all learning exclusive of technical precepts and practical arts.
#17 Dallas
>>the Muslim Taliban, the Christian Taliban and any other Taliban that works its way into my government will not be tolerated.
If only this was true. It seems the Green Taliban is alive and well running the government and alas not nary a word.
Words just words.
#14 – Well Mus, I guess you will have to find a job with proper male supervision.
For the rest of us:
When in the workplace you will follow orders. Your view of right and wrong has been totally replaced by legal and illegal. Aim low. I was just following orders. Submit!
#18. Paddy: “Umm, no. [followed by only one specific definition].”
Decent dictionaries usually give more than one definition. You leaving something out on purpose? I think Fusie’s definition paraphrases these well enough.
1. the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.
4. the critical study of the basic principles and concepts of a particular branch of knowledge, esp. with a view to improving or reconstituting them: the philosophy of science.
Meaning that one method of study or investigation is through rational discussion or debate.
Seeing people argue about ideologies and such can be interesting, but when the only point you have to make is semantic, wouldn’t it be best to leave it unsaid?
# 21 Jamie (SMS) said, “Umm, no. [followed by only one specific definition].”
Correct. Which is all that was needed to disprove a false statement.
@Paddy-O:
So because my TWO definitions aren’t the same as your ONE definition, mine prove yours false? Twice false, even?
Guess I’ve never been one for binary thinking.
# 23 Jamie (SMS) said, “So because my TWO definitions aren’t the same as your ONE definition,”
Umm, no. I don’t have a definition. The dictionary lists the primary definition 1st. That you have a misunderstanding of a words primary definition seems to be your difficulty here.
#25 Paddy said: “I don’t have a definition. The dictionary lists the primary definition 1st. That you have a misunderstanding of a words primary definition seems to be your difficulty here.”
My first definition was the first listed in the dictionary that I looked at (Random House). So do they cancel each other out? Mine wasn’t the same as yours.
Did you check every possible English dictionary to find that none had a primary definition that meant the same thing as what you were contradicting, or did you just pick the first one that had a primary meaning that seemed the most contradictory?
Most likely you eventually got to Merriam-Webster, saw it was nitpicky enough to make a pitifully semantic argument and you you said “A-HA! I have you now, Mr. Fusion…BWAHAHA!”
My point was that if the point is substantive, make it. But if it’s just semantics, just stick to name-calling. It’s more honest.
Ron Paul is for the Constitution, Personal Liberties…
#16 Fusion:
“We may ban ALL religious worship from the town square if those in the town square are not willing to allow all forms of worship, including Devil Worship.”
wrong, wrong, WRONG.
This is like saying you can only have freedom of speech if you make sure you speak every possible angle.
The gov’t can’t direct religious worship, but people are free to practice religion how they want, where they want, and when they want.
disclaimer: I’m an atheist.
Public safety and personal privacy are opposing ends of the same line. Everyone has their own idea of where they think the government should be anchored on that line. Judgment call!
# 26 Jamie
Hey Jamie.
Don’t worry about Paddy-O. He/she/it cannot be reasoned with. He/she/it is more interested in arguing than making any real point.
I say ‘it’ because it’s pretty close to a super right wing republican version of eliza.
#18, Cow-Patty, Ignorant Shit Talking Sociopath, Retired Mall Rent-A-Cop, Pretend Constitutional Scholar, Fake California Labor Law Expert, Pseudo Military Historian, Phony Climate Scientist, and Real Leading Troll Extraordinare,
phi·los·o·phy (f-ls-f)
n. pl. phi·los·o·phies
1. Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
2. Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
3. A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry: the philosophy of Hume.
4. The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
5. The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts, except medicine, law, and theology.
6. The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
7. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory: an original philosophy of advertising.
8. A system of values by which one lives: has an unusual philosophy of life.
#24, Alphie,
We don’t care where you worship…we will exercise our right to practice our religion by informing both you and all with you…to hell you will go…
as for the devil…he will suffer even more…but that will be small consolation to you…as you are in torments.
Which is exactly why Dallas doesn’t want you in the town square. If you want to convert him, why can’t a Devil worshiper, or some other contrary idiot promoting “their way is the only way” convert you?
Get a life. WE don’t want to be irritated with your ignorance and stupidity. Please, practice your fairy tale beliefs in your own houses.
It may have been written in jest, but since when do ‘the terrorists’ hate Americans freedom? Who on god’s green earth hates freedom?
The Islamic terrorists hate America because America have the Saudi’s in their pocket and are effectively occupying Muslim holy land.
@# 33 James Hill
We’ll you got me there big guy. You pwned me there for sure. You and Paddy-O both. Now you need to get back to mall security.