Microsoft said shipping Windows 7 in Sept.
Microsoft could have Windows 7 on shipping PCs by September, Compal president Ray Chen said today at an investor’s conference. The PC contractor executive understands from plans that the software should be available in either late September or early October. The news would corroborate word of an April release candidate that would let Microsoft finish, manufacture and deliver Windows 7 well ahead of the holidays.
Upgrading From XP To Vista To Windows 7? Good Luck.
Has Microsoft really listened to beta testers beyond what’s crashing?
The antitrust judge is looking closely at Windows 7.
No. Every program I use and want to use runs perfectly under Win XP. I’d like to upgrade to a x64 platform but I think it would break a few of my editing programs–so no go.
How much land does a man need?
Same here, XP is fine. Maybe in a few years I won’t be allowed to run my old version of Office when this system dies, and I’ll be forced to upgrade.
So, what are the advantages of “7” over XP?
I’m an MSDN member. I’ll be upgrading as soon as its out.
#3 “What are the advantages?”
There’s actually a pretty decent performance boost in many cases cases, not to mention the huge security improvement and nicer interface. You can see my benchmarks here:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1383898
# 4 Somebody_Else said, “There’s actually a pretty decent performance boost in many cases ”
Actually, not. I’m running XP on a machine with 1 Gig memory. 7 isn’t faster on that. I’ve worked in security for over a decade. There isn’t any HUGE security improvements. The kernel patch protection (from Vista) actually makes it more difficult for vendors to implement root kit detection & prevention.
Try again with apples to apples data.
Using Windows 7 Beta (Build 7000) as a primary machine. No problems at all. Boots and shuts down fast. Tweaks normally set up in Vista are standard in Win 7.
I’ll buy the 64 bit version when it comes out.
Microsoft has it right for once and right out of the box!
#4 no performance boost over XP. I know cause I’ve been playing with build 7000 for some time. And it’s not awful, but slower and more of a resource hog than XP. I’ve heard it’s highly optimized over Vista though…
I am a little confused? Every Microsoft system I put on my computers was fast(reasonable)until Microsoft added all their garbage. The only one that was a dog out of the box was Vista.
I like the instant on Internet service on some new computers. That is where I am going. I’ll work in a free cloud.
The problem MS has is that they are so good at backwards compatibility no one really needs to upgrade. and the software libraries from third parties are so vast you’re never without an option when staying with an old OS.
Apple just cuts off computers whenever they feel like it.
#4
Funny you mentioned Media Center on your benchmarks, as being ok.
For me I found it was such a DOG!!!
And the visual candy just cripples it: As soon as the album art wall kicks in, the audio playing grinds to a garbled mush of slow audio.
Granted, I’m only throwing at it a 3Ghz Dual P4 with 1Gig Ram and a lowly FX5200…
Nonetheless XP MediaCenter 2005 worked flawlessly.
XBMC plays well under Win7 though.
I probably wont upgrade this time. Instead when I get a new computer it will come on the new computer and I’ll be like “woah, thats neat” for a day or two, and then I will get back to work, and probably be confused once or twice after that because some setting that I have committed to muscle memory will take me like 2 minutes to find instead of the near instant proficiency that I have now.
Ive already switched to 64bit, so that doesn’t worry me. It was only ancient janky software that failed to make the switch.
Everything Ive read suggests that if you are the type of person who had some huge problem with Vista, you wont like 7 either. So… Fosstards, psychotic Apple fans, and complainers will continue to complain…
#10.
I haven’t had any graphics issues with Media Center, but I did get an audio stuttering issue. Try changing your audio settings to 24-bit if you can (I don’t know what card you’re using). The 7 beta defaults to 16-bit and stutters on Creative and Realtek chips. Switching to 24-bit fixed it for me. It could be a graphics driver issue of some sort, I don’t have any nVidia cards so I don’t know.
Make sure you submit feedback if you’re having any issues. That’s what the beta is all about.
Have VistaUltimate 64-bit and it’s running flawlessly.
Have no desire to muck with “flawlessly”.
Apparently M$ is going to cut their support for XP, again. I guess those nimrods think it’ll make it easier to sell 7. HMMMN, I wonder, is pirating an unsupported obsolete OS really pirating? I have no plans to sell, install, upgrade, or implement windows 7. Most of my clients are small to medium businesses. It’s a real problem because all want XP, no one is interested in Vista or 7. My clients generally have 1 to 4 PC’s and can’t afford down-time, period. Been making some good money downgrading new machines on the side, but this is getting ridiculous. M$ is forcing me into a legal gray zone.
#5
What would it take for you to get over your XP fetish? I ran fully updated clean installs of XP SP3 and Vista SP1 and Vista was faster. There’s not much more to say.
As for the whole kernel patch protection thing, its BS. I think Vista is perfectly safe to begin with but any issues the anti-virus companies had back when Vista came out have been resolved. The fact that there have been less vulnerabilities discovered for Vista than the current version of Apple OSX says a lot.
The ammount of misinformation that went around about Vista is astounding. Its sad to see that there are still people who think Vista/7 are bloated because they “use” more RAM. They have this cool feature called superfetch where they cache frequently used applications. If something needs that RAM it releases the cache and gives the RAM to whatever needs it.
#13 What machine is that on?
#14,
Wow, thats not my experience at all. I have found that my clients don’t give a shit about what operating system they run, they care about their software.
Maybe if you dropped your inane biases about how you think computers are supposed to run you could get some bigger accounts and start forgetting about all those little pain in the ass accounts?
#15 Yeah right, Vista’s a great OS and all those people who don’t agree are just chronic M$ haters, and misinformed people. Typical M$ fanboy rant.
Then why not go back to 2000? XP offers few new features and 2000 has less overhead.
Fact is, theres many reasons to upgrade, there were for Vista too. Just because the improvements didnt matter to you or you have an axe to grind doesnt mean there werent any.
Don’t want to upgrade? Fine. I bet there are still people using 98.
And that upgrade link is pure FUD. Upgrade installs have never been a good idea. You’d almost never do an upgrade as opposed to a clean install in enterprise. And yes there are compatibility issues with installation and 3rd party software: its a beta.
#18,
You were trying to be sarcastic and failed. That is kinda funny.
#19,
Wow are you misinformed. LOL. Do you know how to fix a Vista install? I take it you don’t. You run a Vista Upgrade CD right over the hozed Vista install. Done, you are fixed. It takes about 20 minutes.
I was running Vista Ultimate 64-bit, without any problems. Swapped out HD and now running Windows 7 Beta 64-bit and it ran quite well.
I’ve switched back to Vista. If Microsoft provides a special pricing, I might upgrade, but if I have to pay full price, I’ll wait…
Depends on price. I am not going to spend $200 for a new OS, when the one I have is working good already. If its something like $120, I will probably buy it, but any more than that, XP is working fine.
#17 Because I like my businesses small. I take care of them myself, it’s all mine, I answer to no one. I’m doing just fine thank you.
I’ve been getting paid to work with computers since 1979, Sonny. I’ve seen it all, from second generation mainframe with magnetic tape and punch cards, to embedded pico itx with SSD’s. I think I have a good idea of how computers are supposed to work.
Personally, I am done with Microsoft, so count me as a “penguin.”
Unfortunately, I work in a MS shop, and have to deal with it at work. Whatever they choose, I will go along with, as I have for the past 20 or so years! We still haven’t implemented Vista. That’s over 1000 XP pro machines, and a few more on the way this year. Whether we go with “7” (aka Windows Hasta La Vista) will depend on a consensus of about 50 development, support, operations staff, and management. My vote is to abstain.
# 15 Somebody_Else said, “What would it take for you to get over your XP fetish? I ran fully updated clean installs of XP SP3 and Vista SP1 and Vista was faster. There’s not much more to say.”
Without including H/W specs your post is useless.
#24
No offense, but do you have any actual issues with Vista/7 or do you just enjoy complaining?
Since the only downside to Vista/7 is the larger size (and I doubt most people are using anything smaller than 80 GB drives in newer machines anyway) what’s wrong with putting Vista/7 on newer machines? Unless you’ve got clients trying to run ancient 16-bit applications left over from the Windows 3/95 era there shouldn’t be any issues.
If you’re just doing simple stuff like Point of Sale machines and inventory management I would skip Windows altogether and use Debian or Ubuntu and Open Bravo POS or some other good free POS software.
Yes, so? That’s not what I was talking about.
I am well versed in how the “upgrade” install can be used like the old repair install. It can in fact solve an multitude of problems.
What I meant was a real upgrade to a newer os. The upgrade may work but it will never work as smoothly as a clean install. The beta certaily isnt going to work well. Add to that the fact that most large organizations will have some sort of imaging tool, a clean image is actually quicker and produce better results than an “upgrade.”
No need to be an ass.
The only big reason for me to upgrade from XP would be if I got a new PC. Since I just built this one on the cheap with parts that were new in 2007, and I’m the type to keep a computer for at least four years, I’m not seeing that reason.
#26
Read my benchmark thread from post 4. The test rig I used to compare 64-bit XP, Vista, and the 7 beta has an Athlon 64 X2 4200 (2.4 GHz), 2 GB RAM, and an ATI All in Wonder X1800XL. Overall its a pretty average machine.