This is from The Pirate Bay who is having an interesting time being prosecuted in court this past week. Follow posts on the ongoing trial here.
And don’t forget that your Congress wants to enact laws that may make doing normal things like email on the Interwebitubes illegal, require ISPs, etc to keep records of everything you do on the web and cause ordinary people to lose access to the web for downloading a song. At least some are trying to repeal the ban in on-line gambling. Just like drug laws, prohibition doesn’t work.
Maybe I need an offshore ISP. I wonder if that’s possible.
Problem is, opertions like Pirate Bay have killed the music industry. Is anyone even denying that anymore?
I mean, if you want to argue that killing the music industry was a good thing, that is a different issue, but the fact remains it is a shadow of what it was prior to Napster.
@GregA
Really? I don’t recall hearing that they stopped the CD presses. Do you mean they are no longer making obscene profits? I have a hard time feeling sorry for them.
#2 GregA
Sarcasm becomes you.
@GregA
the music industry execs killed the music industry- not thepiratebay.com do a little research- monty python released their entire discography on itunes yet they are selling more on line…..file sharing creates demand not vice versa
I’ve said it for years:
If governments and corporates had really understood what the ‘net was about way back in the 90s, they would have done everything in their considerable powers to kill it dead dead dead.
They didn’t, it snuck by and changed the world so now they’re frantic trying to get it under control.
The effort to keep them from doing so is/will be neverending.
All we need to do is boycott the record/movie industry. Even for a month. Show them who is really boss.
The music industry killed itself off when it refused to become even more wealthy by selling online digital music.
If any good comes out of all this, it is that the debate is now headline news.
I don’t like the new trend in BitTorrent trackers, that ask for a “Donation” for every Gigabyte you download, if you don’t post any torrents, or if your download/upload ratio is too high.
In over a year now, I have not watched a single show “live”. Why should I pay for a ridiculously overpriced DVR from my Cable Co, when I can get most popular TV shows in HD, 43 minutes long, in less than 10 minutes?
If the Entertainment Industry had any smarts to it, they would have paid $$$ to make the Cable Co HD DVR’s “free”, where I could not only watch the shows when I want, but I would be forced to watch the commercials, and the show’s producer would get “vital stats” from my Cable Co, like sex & age group.
Why, I could even get personalized commercials.
Point is – free hardware in exchange for publicity.
Super Cheap video rentals, in exchange for publicity, on that very same hardware.
Instead, oh no, they want to milk $$$ over-and-over-and-over.
I’m so sick at the thought of having bought the exact same music or movie more than once.
Never again.
FWIW, the Pioneer DV-400V, has a USB port for playing DivX AVI’s, and HDMI for true 720p or 1080p.
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I got one of these for like about 60$ US.
No longer do I burn blank DVD’s that don’t even work 2-3 years later (because they rust).
I just use a usb-key or hd/usb enclosure, and the Pioneer plays it perfectly.
Better than a computer with P4 2.0Ghz w/AGP.
#2 – The music industry is dying now because it spent so much money and time trying to litigate against it’s customers AND the model it should have been learning how to use. They are only now begrudgingly beginning to use potentially massive sales channels like iTunes and Amazon. Even there, they seem to have a hard time grasping the notion of just selling the customer what the customer is asking for. “Fine, fine… You can sell our product, but you have to charge x and we would like you to completely hobble the version you are selling with this thing our customers have actively rallied against called DRM.”
I don’t care what industry you are. If you make the choice to sue your customer instead of finding a way to make money on what they are literally demanding. Your on your way out and it’s nobodies fault but yours.
So the answer is that nobody gets paid for creative work because it’s too easy to steal?
Fail trolls fail. LOL.
Like I said, you guys can claim that you like not having a big rock band concert to go to every weekend, like it was in the 80’s or 90’s, but those days are over, and it is because of music piracy.
Bars don’t even have house bands anymore…
Hey but you guys get… Slumdog Millionare the soundtrack, and woah, Incredibad a novelty act. Every musician uses a vocorder now because none of them can sing, and those that don’t use a vocoder, they use the Pitch Correct plugin on protools.
But by all means, don’t lament what you have lost, everything that made music cool over the last 40 years, you only get the crap, the albums that are more about promotion than they are music.
LOL
You guys are so desperate for anything good, that you have to go back to the hair bands of the 80’s.
Will this last decade ever be retro? Probably not. But hey, your iPods are filled with free crap music!
Hey Festus, ain’t that there the new marshal that done jes’ rode inta Dodge?
RBG
Digital technology killed the entertainment industry. We live in a free world where people can do what they want with their technology, so of course they pirate and they share. Get over it, cause it ain’t going away. Crappy copies is what you get from P2P, it’s slow, full of virus, and some things are hard to find, and these retards can’t compete. I feel real sorry for them, NOT! If the RIAA and the MPAA would spend their money on providing a decent online service at a bargain price, instead of spending it on an army of lawyers, they’d be richer than ever, and I could download my favorite 3 stooges episode (Men In Black) for $3.50.
#2 GregA:
Killed the music industry, but it hasn’t killed music. In fact, there has never been such an amazing selection of music.
Why? Because an individual can record and distribute music at near zero cost, thanks to the internet. Worldwide distribution without the middle-men deciding what we get to hear, and what bands ‘make it.’
More choice for consumers, more opportunity for musicians. The only losers are big pop acts and record execs. Boo hoo.
#17,
Horseshit! The the live music scene is utterly dead. When I was growing up in Toledo Ohio, I could go see a band every weekend at one of three different venues… Plus all the different small little bands going to various Bars. Same thing in the 90’s. Now days??? You are lucky if your city has a single big act come through your town a month. I am sure the situation is a little better in big Cities like San Francisco, Chicago or New York, but it is still diminished from where it was a decade ago.
When was the last time you were at a sports arena with 20k people in it, and the performer on stage asks the girls to show him their tittes and the girls all start tearing off their clothes??? You haven’t been, because if you think the modern music scene is anything at all like it was in the past, you are either really young (<25) or utterly deluded.
The only people who think music scene today is anything near the magnitude of the pre-napster years are bloggers in the fosstard’o’sphere.
#10, Mark;
That’s exactly why all the (cable-owned) internet service providers are now itching to put bandwidth caps on their service.
The Internet service industry is one of the few that has not been touched by the recession yet. Heck, we are hiring! A law like this would seriously hurt one of the few prospering industries.
Has Obama hired a Tech Czar yet to tell congress how dumb this mandate is? (and if the tech czar does not understand how dumb this is, he is not a very good tech czar.)
My god people… don’t you know how much cocaine and hookers cost these days? How is David Geffen going to afford to snort coke off the asses of gay boys anymore? How is Sony going to afford payola to Clear Channel to get them to play Brittany Spears any more? Think of all the poor people you evil pirates are hurting!
@GregA
Can you share some of whatever medication you are on?
GregA,
You remind me of my dad, still singing barbershop quartet songs. The music scene has changed- you’re old, get over it. The reason you don’t see flashing titties anymore is because the women are all over 50 at the concerts you would go to. Young tits are flashed (i.e. Girls Gone Wild), just not in your direction. BTW, if you think pot was good, you should experience the new designer drugs.
#10, Avoid these trackers as much as you can. Most of these are scams because they know people will willingly donate. I don’t have a problem with donations but history has proven that they will always increase their asking donation amount every month or so. This isn’t new and has been going for a few years. As most “hackers” believe, their work is release free of charge to the public. You can always find providers that cater to the same beliefs.
Having said the above, I am not telling anyone here to go out and pirate software, music, videos or what have you. I’m just stating that these websites asking for donations are usually a scam to get money in their pockets for providing something that is free in the first place.
I’ve just started amassing my movie collection onto my two new 1.5TB hard drives. I’m waiting for a deal on the Pioneer player you’ve mentioned or the Phillips (I own a lower model without usb support). Now I have most of my videos and music converted (Quad-core helps hahah) converted and on my PC. Tapes, 8-tracks, VHS, etc all converted…took a while 😛
GregA,
I really think you need to get out more. Most of your comments don’t do you any justice. I don’t even attend most of these in person but I at least get around to read about them!
1. Websites that provides links to sources of downloads killing the music industry? How about you just say all search engines are killing everything. That would be more accurate.
2. No concerts and house bands? Umm, there’s plenty here in San Diego still, and in LA. Sure, there might not be as many as before with the internet being so popular and cheap to market and advertise but they’re still there. You must be out in the country or something?
#24,
Wow, Im looking at ticketmaster right now for San Diego, and that is pretty desperate if you think that is a happening music scene. Quite sad really.
Can you post a local a link to your local zine so we can see what your small venue scene is like?
#24,
Looked at Ticketmaster for LA.
So LA in 2009 has about the same music scene as Toledo Ohio did in the 80’s. Woah. I’d say that is music scene death.
Woah, Coldplay is gonna play a venue in LA that has 27,000 seats(and its not sold out). When I saw the Greatful dead in 93 at Buckeye Lake (rural Ohio) there were 100,000 people there.
Yeah, this modern music scene is sooooo happening….
#24,
Oh you had a question as well. How about Rollingstone magazine? Right now on the front page they have an interview with a guy who wrote a book about how downloads killed the music industry.
Seems we touched a sensitive Chord with GregA on Music.
I just think times are changing. People, like me, are willing to pay for HD quality content on a easy-to-use platform.
The Cable Co HD DVR has it right – except for content. An actual HD movie (DVD Quality) costs 2$ MORE than if I go to the video rental store.
What gives???
Ya, I’ve had to up my Cable Co / ISP a higher download cap, costing me an extra 30$ per month, but now I get true HD quality (nearly) on-demand movies and TV shows.
I haven’t rented anything in over a year now.
However, if Hollywood was smart and allowed a DRM’ed (24hr to watch) movie / tv show with publicity on a sponsored DVR box.
Box would be 99$ to buy, movie 2$, TV show 1$.
However, currently it’s:
Box 599$ Movie 6$ TV Show 3$
So Hollywood has caused the problems themselves by not publishing properly to the Internet.
When they do, I’ll gladly switch, and instead of paying 70$ / 100G per month for Internet from my Cable Co, I’ll get the standard 35$ / 20G per month.
Streaming music albums would also be easy, and inexpensive, rendering CD’s obsolete.
#28,
I just want the pirates to know that, like it or not, their actions have had consequences.
GragA,
You really should stop being cynical. You’re acting as though everyone is against you and you’re the only one that has a point to make and the right one. Listen, music is still happening whether you choose to want to to believe or not.
I’ve already said that it might not be the same as previous years with the internet impacting it so much…in terms of marketing and advertising. That STILL doesn’t mean the scene is dead. Downtown San Diego is still active with bars and restaurants with live bands and music. Pacific Beach is the same. There’s great diversity of music going on here. You really need to get out more instead of relying on ticketmaster for all your news feeds and forecasts.
As for whether or not Internet has impacted the music industry, it has. There’s no question and doubt to that. However, blaming a website that posts search links to content on the internet is utterly ridiculous.
In terms of downloads, I’m not sure if you’re talking about legal downloads or pirated downloads. In both cases, yes digital downloads will affect the profit margins. Which and who’s margins? Well, that’s yet to be explore. However, a few artists are doing well not having the middle-man expenses and where they are doing most of the work for themselves. So if they can get a hit and have their songs downloaded legally for $1, more or less, then that’s direct profit for them. H
However, this isn’t the place to be discussing this issue as it is more involve than just saying digital download is killing the industry. That’s your and others perspective. Mine is that the industry needs to adjust and come up with ways to market, advertise and sell their content via the internet. Industry isn’t all losing their artist due to the internet. Artist are smarter now and can do the work for themselves and reap the benefits quite a bit more than they would under a record label.
If you’re so pissed at digital downloads, don’t use a computer. All downloads are digital and by your rule it’s bound to kill some industry somewhere *shrug*