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Palestine should never have been ‘turned into’ the jewish homeland in the first place. The British promised the palestians their independence from protectorate status. After WWII it seemed like a good idea I guess what with the holocaust and all. I blaim Great Britain, the UK, England, the limeys did it.
Recriminations don’t help. These people are neighbors now, and it would be a good idea to try to reach accommodation. Or, they could just keep on trying to kill each other. I guess its their choice.
What he’s not telling you is they have killed 8 Israelis in the last 8 years with those rockets. Hear me, that’s 8, small wonder the Israelis are pissed.(sarc.)
Oh, he forgot to add. Israelis use/steal 90% of the water available in the territories for use on the settlements.
Fact: Israel never attacked first. So, yes – just stop those bombings and rockets and live in peace.
@#1:
“Palestine should never have been ‘turned into’ the jewish homeland in the first place. The British promised…” Your own words. Palestine was never a state. British controlled the territory inhabited by Jews and Arabs. They did only fair thing: give some of it to one group and some to another. At this point one group attacked another. Guess who it was… And who was more powerful on paper at the time… That group is to fault.
Wow!! This guy said it all in a beautiful and simple way. I hope these words touch the hearts of everyone who is has been in doubt of Israeli holocaust against Palestinians.
Gaza is the new holocaust people, I mean the israelis even shot and killed children who were playing at the beach!! I mean how much low can you get?
Shame on Israeli supporters. At least you Americans had the guts like this guy to standup and tell the world the real truth.
Very responsible forward moving group of people
They are given Gaza back
Instead of anything positive they…
and then wonder why
Its not amazing that how for all the bravado hamas has its leaders are still hiding in their bunkers while at the same time having their colleagues of the PA killed in the most brutal way
One giant welfare case for the UN
A most productive case of the use of time and energies in a most positive manner
It was the revolutions that happened many, many years ago. From the Reds in Russia, to the Black Hands in Serbia, to the Young Turks in the Ottoman Empire, to T. E. Lawrence and the Arab Revolt, they all helped usher in the reality of what the Middle East is today.
That’s correct. Lesson learned:
– Don’t shoot rockets at Israel.
Next lesson:
– Don’t elect terrorists to run your country and hide your cities.
Everyone involved in the slaughter is using the “an eye for an eye” saying to justify their actions. At this rate, both sides will lose.
#4
Yeah right, and I suppose they didn’t know that arabs and jews were historically enemies and they had no idea what would happen. They should have given them part of austrailia…
who’s fault?.
-the arms dealers and backers who sell to both sides of every “civilized” war
(btw, didnt israel/moussad arm/back/create hamas at some point in the past to fight the PLO? -much like the cia created /armed al-qaeda to help fight against the soviets in afghanistan..
seems to me the weapons dealers are the only ones that appear to ever “win” any war.
*shrug*
-s
#10 – Yep, we aussies have plenty to spare. We could just build a big stinking wall around the middle bit, you know, the bit with no water, resources or anything useful in it at all except dry infertile red dust, and lump them all in that.
Much better than cutting up palestine and letting its rightful inhabitants only retain 43% of their original land, 43% that only encompassed around 17% of the cultivatable land in the entire country.
Yup, way to be fair about stealing someone’s country from beneath their feet and giving them ample compensation.
Fire a rocket into the USA and see what happens asshole.
Governments in the Middle East don’t want a resolution since the Arab/Israeli conflict gives the downtrodden masses provides a distraction from what their own governments are failing to do for them. If the flow of Iranian money, training, and arms were cut off from Hamas, etc. they might be more realistic and amenable to peaceful co-existence.
And no, Hamas was not created by CIA or Massad. From the Wikipedia entry:
“Hamas was created in 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi and Mohammad Taha of the Palestinian wing of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood at the beginning of the First Intifada, an uprising against Israeli rule in the Palestinian Territories. Hamas launched numerous suicide bombings against Israel,[3], the first of them in April, 1993.[4] Hamas ceased the attacks in 2005 and renounced them in April 2006.[5] Hamas also has been responsible for anti-Israel rocket attacks, IED attacks, and shootings, but reduced most of those operations in 2005 and 2006.[6] Rocket attacks against Israel have continued, although such attacks (whether by Hamas or by other paramilitaries is uncertain) greatly diminished during a 5-month long ceasefire that ended in late 2008.[7]”
Because of their ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt has (almost) as much interest in containing them as Israel does.
At this point I don’t see a single Palestianian-based group with the interest or capability of running what they have like true nation-states. Even if we threw tons of money in an effort to rebuild the economy, etc., they’d still be doing things. I don’t think they’d know what to do with their lives if they didn’t have someone else to blame, it’s too easy to fall back on age-old grudges and outright hatred.
#12
Sorry, it was just an example, should’ve guessed there’d be an aussie in here. Been to Perth myself. Amazing sport that australian football!
Actually my post #1 wasn’t really fair. Ben Gurion was preparing the return of the jews to palestine long before. Nothing worse than a zealot that thinks he’s got a divine mission.
P.S. I’ll point out the wiki entry I pulled from also mentions the idea that Israel may have supported Hamas clandestinely in an effort to weaken Fatah. It doesn’t list anything provable, alas.
“All I did was fire a rocket”..
Yea well. You f**k with the bull, you get the horn.
The sign is right. Only the coalition of the willing believes otherwise.
I have to ask, what business is it of ours? Were we involved in any of this?
I mean if the Brits were the instigators of Israel after WWII let them clean up the mess. Didn’t the Israelis kick everyones ass after the war?
And take it the old fashioned way?
Using the logic of the sign we would give back California and Texas to Mexico.
Give it back!!!!!!
NOT!
Yes, the British don’t really have much if a track record when it comes to partitioning countries. Seems to be an expedient solution from which they can wash their hands.
60 minutes did a story last Sunday on what it’s like there. Israeli soldiers taking over an occupied house on a hill whenever they felt like it and staying for days? Who’s the Gestapo now?
#1 for the win.
The “legal” creation of Israel by the UN in 1948 as some sort of compensation to the Jews for WWII was a terrible injustice.
First, it wasn’t their land to give so giving some sort of stamp of approval was an incredible misdeed.
Second, doing an injustice to a third party is not a just solution no matter how much the Jews suffered in WWII.
The Israel situation will eventually sort itself out:
Either:
1. the Israeli Arabs will eventually become the majority demographic.
2. the country becomes too insecure to maintain and most of the wealthier people leave.
There isn’t a lot of difference between Israel and apartheid South Africa except the tenuous justification that ones ancestors from thousands of years ago lived there and — I guess — gave the immigrant Jews a right to steal back the land and keep it via unjustifiable acts of evil
Maybe the question should be “What atrocity by Israel would it take to change peoples minds about who is the aggressor”?
#13, Grampa,
Shoot some missiles into my schools, bombard my plazas, bulldoze my home with people inside, and shoot my ambulances and I just might be sending more than a few rockets your way.
Yes, that is true if you ignore that the bottom line and replace it with “I am to blame. We have been shooting rockets into your country for years”
The word “Palestinian” didn’t exist until 1968. Before that they were called “Arabs in Israel” or “Arabs in the Holy Land”. The Jews have had long periods of administrative control in the region from before Islam was invented. This is just basic history.
So the Arabs and the Jews have both lived in the area for thousands of years. Now they are nations instead of tribes. Once everyone gets on the same page there, hint hint, maybe the rest of the world can go back to ignoring the region like we should.
Seems to me like the problem here is violent religious advertising. You increase ingroup sympathy by having a good outgroup threat. Donations flow in and military strength devolves from civil authority to religious authority. If they, the absolutist religious communities on both sides, gave up the fight they would be merely local clergy. Perish the thought!
On one side is a small group with a modern army and highly militarized state; main export: weapons. On the other side is a big group with rocks and many expendable children; main export: fruit and nuts. The prize: a generally barren landscape whose historical importance as a stop on trade routes has disappeared due to containerized shipping.
Is this REALLY worth the world’s attention for decades? Is it REALLY that interesting?
#25 Who the hell are you because you are brilliant. I tried to post a big long rant but it was blocked as spam but your comment is brilliant and says all of the things I wanted to say but says them better than I ever could.
Grandpa Fire a rocket into the USA and see what happens asshole.
The same thing that happened after 9-11: American will randomly pick an oil rich country and invade it while the guy organising the attacks hides in Pakistahn.
😀
#25 I usually don’t bother but your post was so full of opinion and devoid of fact, please do us a favour and read this.
The current crises is another example of what you have in a war that is only half prosecuted. IOW–when fighting a war there are good reasons to fight to an unconditional surrender and total occupation by the victor. Otherwise, you get undefined situations where parties feel they have been cheated out of something.
WWI is such an example. Germany was left too strong at the end of the war leading directly to WW2.
Same with the Jews in Israel. The ARABS in the Palestine area fought in support of the Axis. They Lost. Land given to the victors as so often happens, and the victors gave it to the Jews. The Arabs living in the area were never really “beaten” though, so they feel cheated by history.
There is no right and wrong to the creation and maintenance of a country and its borders. There is only power to do so. The worst circumstances arise when these simple rules are violated.
This is never going to end. Not even by the magic healing powers of Obama.