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#85–Paddy===If you have ANY understanding why this graph looks the way it does, you will be longing for the last years… //// Where did you get that graph? Do you think the cpi could actually take off like that? And if it did, why would you “think” anybody would be longing for a rapid rise in the cpi? ((Do housing prices affect it that much?))
Anyway, your chart looks totally bogus to me especially coming from whatever website you got it from.
PS–its fun to “back up” on that url. It looks like bath night at the Paddy House.
#93 Sorry ’bout that. It was compiled primarily from data here: ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt
Notice the spike when we stopped using gold standard of any type. Nixon I believe.
Even though we are slipping deeper into the depth of depression caused by the Republicans in general, and Bush in particular, those self same that made up Bushes 20% approval have all found jobs as blog hacks.
The country is in much worse shape that eight years ago. And it ain’t gunna get better for awhile.
So laugh all you Libertarians, Republicans, neo-cons, and other self styled right wing nut types. Watch as WE THE PEOPLE are no longer something to be trampled upon so the rich can steal a little more.
YOU EFFEN LOST THE ELECTION AND WE WON
Cow-Paddy is all exited. He finally posted a link. Too bad it is totally irrelevant.
Cow-Paddy, if you have such a strong urge to tell everyone what you learned in school today, the Cage Match will allow you to start a new thread.
# 37 BigBoyBC said, Deep-Thought, Thanks, What part of the world are you in?
Europe, old Europe where we somehow manage to do without wars. Or at least without starting any.
Does anyone else think that this is incredibly offensive to the families of people that did die as a result of the bush administration?
# 98 eaze said, “Does anyone else think that this is incredibly offensive to the families of people that did die as a result of the bush administration?”
Probably. But, according to Biden today, many more of our troops are going to die, along with many more civilians, because Obama is going to escalate the Afgan fiasco…
#95, YOU EFFEN LOST THE ELECTION AND WE WON
When I was in the Navy, we had a new division officer. One of the petty officers was arguing with him about something non-trivial. The PO was trying to convince the officer that if we did it his way, it wouldn’t work and would result in more work later to fix it. Instead of taking the high road and realizing he was wrong, the officer grabbed his collar, pointed to his officer bars, and said, “Just do it.” The “do it” ended up costing the entire shop a weekend cleaning up the mess.
Whenever I hear someone say, “We Won,” I have flashbacks to that day.
Watch as WE THE PEOPLE are no longer something to be trampled upon so the rich can steal a little more.
The cry of Nazi Germany! Steal from the rich and give it to the poor.
On a serious side, I am surviving now but many of my family members have not. Sigh. So many people out of homes and jobs. 8 years and Bush think he didn’t have a hand in this turmoil?
#100–Liberty Loser==never heard of RHIP? Rank Has Its Pricks? The DO did not have to clean up the mess so what difference would it/should it make to him? I’ll bet he even knew he was wrong and was just making the point to the PO that rank was the only thing that mattered.
Speaking of Pricks, it was BushtheRetard who came in losing the popular vote with a stolen election who claimed “I have political capital.” and then swung the country to the far right. There’s your class A number one idiot.
The nazi’s? Really?
Dolt.
# 102 bobbo said, “The nazi’s? Really?”
Don’t know. Read.
# We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens.
# Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes.
# We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
# We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
# We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
Paddy–I don’t know what bumper sticker of dogma you and Loser have ping ponging between your two knuckleheads but I’m torn between whether its more Anti-American or just plain STOOOOOPID!
Stop being so stupid—please. Really.
#104
Well, do the points I posted look like Nazi policy items?
You seem to have problems with simple questions.
#100, Loser,
Whenever I hear someone say, “We Won,” I have flashbacks to that day.
Sounds like you lost.
The cry of Nazi Germany! …
I bet you just don’t understand how silly that sounds.
Good news. The House passed their version of the stimulus bill with no Repub votes.
#103, Cow-Paddy,
Don’t know. Read.
Read what??? Your babbling??? Is that the Cow-Paddy Manifesto???
WooHoo, The Cow-Paddy Manifesto !!! All hail the Cow-Paddy Manifesto. Written by the great top Cow himself himself, the Fuhrer Cow-Paddy.
How retarded can these right wing nuts get?
#108 Frothing at the mouth a bit there. Did you get your rabies shot last year?
#109, Cow-Paddy,
No, actually I had a rabies vaccination many years ago. One yar at college I worked over Christmas feeding the animals in the laboratories. We all needed our shots before we could.
But hey, you posted your Manifesto. It looks pretty trashy to me. I hope you don’t think crap like that will help out with the chicks. Well, you might find one reject from the Save the Whales group that was mistaken for the mission. There might be enough to take care of your whole group. Both of you.
Hey, are we supposed to bow down to you or just laugh. Throwing rotten fruit would be funny. Deserved too.
Clown.
#110
Time for another shot. ROFL
#112, Loser,
If you read Mein Kampf, you will see just how similar the Nazi platform is to what is occurring today in this country.
I read Mein Kampf 30 some years ago for a history project. I also read Mao, Voltaire, Trudeau, Churchill, Smith, Teddy Roosevelt, and a few others and tried to read Marx – too much bull.
If you pick and chose enough you will find enough text to suit any political trend in Mien Kampf. If you read the whole book and look at the whole sense you will understand that the Nazis, and Hitler, were quite bigoted, chauvinistic, intolerant, and bullies, even while in jail ghost writing the book.
Have you ever read it? The whole book, not the passages someone else has quoted out of context? Try it. As you read it keep in mind that it was written by disillusioned WWI veterans, on the losing side, as their country was in the depths of a depression, in a jail. Although it was credited to Hitler, it is believed he actually wrote very little of the book.
I don’t know if the Left people whine or not but right now I’m hearing Right Wing people squeeling like pig every where!
I don’t remember hearing that much whinnying form the left when bush won for 2nd time.
The people who hate Bush, hate him because he not only won, but won in exceedingly aggravating situations from their perspective.
1. Bush v. Gore. Winner: Bush.
2. Tax cuts. Winner: Bush.
3. Invade Iraq. Winner: Bush.
4. 2002 Senate Elections. Winner: Bush.
5. 2004 Presidential Election. Winner: Bush.
The opposing side — whatever side that may be — hates an opponent who rolls over them even when they put up stiff resistance.
The final result of this was a much better Democratic party who finally decided to discard losing ways, very bad leadership (Dean was a big step up), and finally nominate someone with a winning philosophy for president.
The “old” Democratic party liked to hang themselves and look bad enough in doing so it was a little difficult to look past the antics to the issues they were right on.
#113, Poison Twin,
I’ve read it. And few of the others but not all. I agree with you on Marx — he seemed like a washed out drunk.
However, I have to differ with you on the on the end result of the book. Where they got their ideas doesn’t change the basic outcome — a State-controlled populace answerable to a single authority. Does it matter if it comes about from a bunch of beer-joint rants or blog rants about how “the man is keeping us down?” If you keep spreading the poison, eventually people will begin to believe that crap.
Personally, I find the idea of wealth redistribution so anti-American, it just turns my stomach. And I take every opportunity to point out where this kind of thinking took various other countries in the past. It looked good in theory, but you have to ask who gets to do the redistributing?
#118–LL==you say: “Personally, I find the idea of wealth redistribution so anti-American, it just turns my stomach.” //// hahahahah. You remind me of John Cleese in Monty Python when he is sitting at the table with that hankerchief over his head, fists clenched, arms and legs all twisted: “I hate them, I just hate them!!”
Cartoon characters, even when spitting bile, are fun to laugh at.
hahahahahahahahahah. You are a joke. Thanks for the laugh.
The RIght is only against giving everyday people money. They have no problem with corporate welfare. The stupid thing is that the same loser fucktards that got us in thie financial mess want us to continue doing the same dumb-ass things.
#118, Loser,
Personally, I find the idea of wealth redistribution so anti-American,
I find the opposite, equality suppression, abhorrent. Elsewhere on this blog is the story of a 93 yr/o that froze to death. Several comments blatantly said it is the old codgers own fault. This was a man that served his country during WWII. He gave his youth to keep this country safe. After the war he worked making America strong. Not by himself, but he did his part.
His taxes built the schools you attended. His taxes built the roads you drive on. His taxes built the city you live in. His taxes paid for the military to be strong and vigilant. His taxes paid for the police to take criminals off the street.
In short, he and millions of others just like him built the America you live in. The millions that came before him. The millions that came after him. And the millions that are yet to come.
So far from his welfare being “his own damned problem”, his welfare is all of our problem. Because that is America. That is the America he, and the millions of others, built.
When Libertarians want to ignore his contributions, they demonstrate their own selfishness. For some reason paying the taxes on the tank full of gas entitles Libertarians to claim they own the road. They don’t. It is our road. It belongs to all the people.
Libertarians are among the most unAmerican group I can think of.
# 120 smartalix said, “The stupid thing is that the same loser fucktards that got us in thie financial mess want us to continue doing the same dumb-ass things.”
I know isn’t it wild? BushCo went for the tax cut + plus massive deficit spending. How stupid!
Let’s look at Obama’s “plan”:
Hmmm, tax cuts and even more massive deficit spending.
Interesting…
#121, Poison Twin,
I find the opposite, equality suppression, abhorrent.
As do I.
However, do you think it is truly equal to take from one and give to another? If you believe the government is making everyone equal, you are sadly mistaken. They are making people more UNequal through their different charity programs.
His taxes built the schools you attended. His taxes built the roads you drive on. His taxes built the city you live in. […] His taxes paid for the police to take criminals off the street.
These are all local/state and that is where they belong. Do not get confused with what is a state issue and what is a federal issue. The federal government has no right in school, roads, or local law enforcement.
Re: Selfishness
BTW . . . have you adopted any homeless people yet to use your house?
Probably not, but let’s move on past that for now.
The following is paraphrased from another source but is still a valid outlook I hold.
Selfishness is one of two of the least-thought-out, yet sadly most popular, arguments against libertarianism.
This argument is based on the fact that libertarians do not want the government to take their money and give it to a “charity” chosen by the government. I believe the thought process goes something like: “Those ‘selfish’ libertarians want to keep the money they earn!” I see this as wrong on two levels: (1) It implies that the welfare state that libertarians oppose is selfless or generous in some way; and (2) It implies that libertarians in fact want to keep their wealth.
The “Generosity” of the Welfare State
The welfare state necessarily requires involuntary contributions to causes that the government deems “good”. When someone supports the welfare state they want the government to direct where someone else’s money goes. So when they call libertarians “selfish” they seem to think that taking someone else’s money to give to something they think is a good cause is somehow selfless? Or generous? This is absurd on its face.
Imagine a charity-seeking downtrodden man comes to your door and says “Can you spare a dime?” You respond, “No but my neighbor keeps his door unlocked so why don’t you just go in there and take whatever you want.” This is generosity!? This is the “generosity” that the welfare state provides… not to mention the admin costs they skim off the top and the strings they inevitably attach to exert control over those to whom they “donate” the resources.
The Meaning of “Keep”
When libertarians say they want to “keep” their money instead of giving it to government, what they really mean is that they want to direct how their own resources are used. The word “keep” makes it sound like the libertarian wants to just hold his money and roll around in a bed made of cash like that movie Indecent Proposal. This bed of cash is preferred to spending it on [insert welfare state “charity” here]. This sounds kind of selfish… of course, this is not what the libertarian means by “keep”.
By “keep” the libertarian means “control” or “direct”. This certainly could be a cash-bed. Or, perhaps the libertarian could spend the money on things like watches, cars and iPods. Some people may label that use as selfish. But maybe… just maybe… the libertarian wishes to give the money to cancer research or starving children in Africa. How could anyone call that selfish?
Conclusion
The libertarian does not wish to “keep” his cash and roll around in it, he merely wishes to control how it is used. If this is selfish, then what do you call someone who wants to control how someone else’s money is used?
Personally, I donated over three man-months of my free time last year to charity — in spite of the money looted by the government. Am I being selfish because I don’t donate more?
#$@&@%* HTML tags. The bold is supposed to end just before the last paragraph.
123–LL==should society have a social safety net to help people like this guy who froze to death, only rely on the charity of individuals giving freely of their time and money, or do you have a third way ?