Mr. Fusion says:

#123, Loser,

The welfare state necessarily requires involuntary contributions to causes that the government deems “good”. When someone supports the welfare state they want the government to direct where someone else’s money goes. So when they call libertarians “selfish” they seem to think that taking someone else’s money to give to something they think is a good cause is somehow selfless?

This is the crux of your whole error.

The “government” is not some monolithic thing. It is you, me, Bobbo, and everyone else. It is all of us. We chose representatives to run our communal business. We pay for that communal business through taxes. We do get to pick and chose though, through our elected representatives. We do have a voice in telling the representative which ideas we need done. If your position finds enough common ground then it will probably end up being chosen.

The problem with Libertarians though is that for some reason if the democratic process doesn’t go their way they should be given an out. They will scream and shout that it is THEIR money and they should have a say. So, they want the benefits of society without paying for it. That, to me, is selfish.

I am so tired of this “welfare state” argument. One of the last areas any right wing nut wants cut is the military yet they are the biggest welfare outfit there is.

Personal responsibility? Ya right. How often do I have to hear that speeding tickets are just money makers for the government. I don’t hear these same selfish Libertarians admit they broke the law by speeding. E. Coli is their spaghetti sauce? Sure, they are responsible for not checking the product first in their home laboratory for the E. Coli, Salmonella, Lysteria, Campylobacter as well as lead, MBTB, biphynels, melamine, and whatever else is being added.

Sorry, I don’t buy your apology.

… what do you call someone who wants to control how someone else’s money is used?

Well he could be called a Libertarian, a control freak, or, as is quite common, politician.

Mr. Fusion says:

#126, SL,

I don’t think very many people would agree with Madison today.

Paddy-O says:

# 126 Sea Lawyer said, “Well, if FDR is considered to be the authority of what is “American” then I suppose so.”

FDR on “what America is”:

from a private conversation with Leo Crowley, the Catholic economist and wartime Alien Property Custodian. One day in January 1942, Roosevelt proclaimed to a shocked Crowley: “Leo, you know this is a Protestant country, and the Catholics and the Jews are here on sufferance. It is up to both of you [Crowley and Henry Morganthau, a Jew and Secretary of the Treasury] to go along with anything that I want at this time.”

Paddy-O says:

# 132 Mr. Fusion said, “Remember when you told us that Pelosi wanted to settle the Gitmo detainees in America.”

No. Perhaps you can point to my non-existent post where I said she wants to have them “settle in America”?

I asked you to point it out a day or so ago and you still can’t…