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This is very painful for many families who lost loved ones on 9/11.
Plans to close Guantanamo are not sitting well with the Sept. 11 victims’ relatives who sat stunned while two alleged terrorists declared they were proud of their role in the plot.
It is a potentially momentous time for the military detention center. President-elect Barack Obama whose inauguration is Tuesday has said he will close it, and many observers and some officials here expect him to suspend the war crimes tribunals for accused terrorists and move the trials to the U.S.
The victims’ relatives were in the courtroom audience as two Sept. 11 defendants, Ramzi Binalshibh and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, proclaimed their role in the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil.
“We did what we did; we’re proud of Sept. 11,” said Binalshibh, who has said he wants to plead guilty to charges.
“If they’re guilty … then let’s give them the death penalty that they deserve,” said Jim Riches of Brooklyn, N.Y., whose 29-year-old firefighter son, Jimmy, was killed at the World Trade Center.
What do you think? Close Gitmo, at least finish the trials of those involved in 9/11, or leave Gitmo open?
30,
Fusion, please stop letting facts get in the way. He claimed a large % performed more acts of terrah… and he has an email too!
The answer is CLEAR. As recommended by Alan Dershowitz we should formulate the “torture warrant” for those few cases that warrant it. That would make it legal, honest, and address all the issues.
“Just shoot them” is also a war crime. May be more difficult at times to prosecute beyond a few Lieutenants, but it could still be done.
#29, Named.
“opened the can of worms WITH torture”
You’re absolutely right with respect to “so what do we do now?!”
And that’s the question. What do we do now? We can’t try him, nor can we let him go.
The only answers I can come up with is:
A) Keep Guantanamo open for endless detention of a select few, or
B) Let him go and assassinate him just as he gets off the plane.
What other options are there?
33,
Well, you do what the police do when they have to release a black drug dealer caught with 5 grams of marijuana. You follow him out of the precinct and arrest him immediately for causing a disturbance, resisting arrest.
Seriously, do you honestly believe that the GOVERNMENT has NO TOOLS to make an unfair trial seem more fair? Your government put an AMERICAN, Padilla, up for trumped up charges and made it stick.
Obama said he’d close Gitmo. He didn’t say he’s letting everyone go.
Those prisoners which can’t be put on trial will probably find themselves on planes back to Afghanistan, Iraq, etc – where they will either have an unfortunate accident, or get put in a new prison and wish they were back in Gitmo.
# 32 bobbo said, “”Just shoot them” is also a war crime.”
Not true. Executing people who are illegal combatants has been an acceptable practice throughout the 20th century.
#31, Named,
And he also used to eat shit sandwiches until he developed that gluten intolerance.
# 5 chuck. Yea, I agree. This seems to be the only way out.
That is, until some newspaper gets a hold of this and splashes it all over the media.
#36, Cow-Paddy,
Executing people who are illegal combatants has been an acceptable practice throughout the 20th century.
You missed the illegal part of “executing” someone on a battlefield.
So where are all these “large %” of released Guantanamo prisoners that committed terrorism?
We wait.
“So where are all these “large %” of released Guantanamo prisoners that committed terrorism?”
Jeesh Fusion? That was answered WAY BACK!!
http://tinyurl.com/Return-to-terrorism
Ah Yea–I don’t see a problem with “Military Tribunals” giving minimum fair hearings to detainees. As far as I know, only probative evidence has to be admitted that the person was engaged in combat against US forces. Seems pretty simple to me.
People arrested 300 miles from the front “on information” that they are a terrorist DESERVE a trial don’t they?
# 40 Ah_Yea
And we can believe what the Pentagon says.
# 40 Ah_Yea said, …
Don’t waste the pixels. Mr. conFusion has reading comprehension problems.
# 42 Joe said, “And we can believe what the Pentagon says.”
Not if it flies in the face of your uninformed, preconceived notions…
Close it! The only reason for the creation of Guantanamo was to skirt the law.
44,
But we can if it supports your unashamedly passive acceptance… got it.
40,
That was what I like to call a military contractor puff piece.
“We let some people out, and now their back to their terrah ways!”
# 44 Paddy-O
Read this, http://shrunklink.com/bngw
Will the left have this same anger towards Bush policies when Obama is president? The FBI was monitoring white-supremacist groups! Where’s the outrage?
RE: #40, Ah_yea, from your article link…
“Morrell declined to provide details such as the identity of the former detainees, why and where they were released or what actions they have taken since leaving U.S. custody.”
Thats right up there with defense intelligence claiming there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Morrell would be better served if he proved his allegations and justified Guantanamo… right?
Why would you be so willing to accept such a potential pile of steaming horse shit without examining the supporting evidence… especially after Iraq?
# 48 Joe said, “Read this, http://shrunklink.com/bngw”
I read their report published on the 15th already. No, on the ground investigators = No cred.
51,
Sounds like the Bush reason for war. No cred. No on the ground investigators. but, he did have a forged invoice from Nigeria! Along with his transfer of 17million dollars from a long lost King of Congo… or something.
# 52 Named said, “Sounds like the Bush reason for war. No cred. No on the ground investigators. but, he did have a forged invoice from Nigeria!”
Exactly. We should have never invaded Iraq. Quickly ousting the Af gov’t was fine, but we should have left immediately after that and let the Af citizens determine their own fate.
Look, I gave up reading about number 30 but…
You’re Americans, you’re suppposed to be better than the rest of us. You were for most of my life.
Being better means following the letter and the spirit of the law as well as all the other stuff you do so well.
If you lead we’ll follow (for now). I’d rather you head for the promised land than no-mans-land.
# 54 Jess Hurchist said, “Being better means following the letter and the spirit of the law as well as all the other stuff you do so well.”
You obviously aren’t aware of US history during the 20th century.
Close it. Shoot the two ‘confessors’ in the head.
Try the others in a New York Superior Court.
Throw away the keys.
55,
DING DING DING!
America hasn’t been America for quite some time… It still has the myth about it though. My favourite is someone who works hard can make it to the top.
#26 dusanmal
I know worse (actually lots worse.) My grandfather told me about when he was over there. They used to keep a bunch a POW’s alive so a solider could pay 5 bucks to shoot one and go home saying they shot a Jap. He also told me lots of other stuff that’s probably not appropriate for posting.
#58–bretai===was that the “all American-German Brigade” from Milwaukee?
Let them all go. Except they have to swim back to crapistan.