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This city played host Sunday to a Christmas celebration for its gay community that featured a Nativity tableau with a man in drag playing the part of Mary.
Frank van Dalen, chairman of the advocacy group Pro Gay that organized the event, known as Pink Christmas, said that it sought to raise Amsterdam’s profile as a capital for gays.
Van Dalen said the event cost €15,000, or $20,800, and that it had been sponsored by the City Council. He added that he hoped it would become a regular attraction, as is the gay pride parade that brings tens of thousands of visitors to Amsterdam each year…
A man who performs under the name of Wendy Mills wore a blonde wig and high-heel black boots Sunday to play the part of Mary, while the actor playing Joseph wore black leather trunks and a silver shawl. The five-person manger scene was staged in the courtyard of a nightclub and visitors were invited to be photographed with the group.
Since Christmas is in essence a commercial holiday, it makes great sense for commercial centers to build upon that premise and expand the market.
Just a shame everyone gets to have fun except the folks who invented the holiday.
#32 – Bobbolina
>>Can you recognize gibberish when its your own?
Gee, Bobo, for an avante-garde, hip-and-happening, slightly dangerous, Bohemian intellectual, you sure do talk a lot of shit.
I imagine it gives your flagging ego somewhat of a boost to continually badger and berate others because you hold different religious beliefs than they do, but please. Try not to make such a fool of yourself.
#33–ammarammadingdong==do I have enough fingers to count how many errors are in your post?? Why yes I do. At least 5 on a quick review.
Here’s one of them: If a blog posting about the celebration of christmas is only “close” to the issue of “Christ” then what does the blog have to be about before this irrelevant claptrap is brought out??
Also, you appear to confuse concluding religion is a crock with somehow not understanding it???? HAW!!!! What a crutch, a denial of reality to think that people that disagree with you “don’t understand” your deeeeeeeeeeep insights.
But maybe this thread is not “close enough” to your limited range of contemplation to raise issues of logic and common sense aka “faith.”
Like taking candy from a baby, not that I would allow candy to be given in the first place. Like religion, candy is bad for a baby’s health.
Grow up.
#34 – Who
>>I respect your right to believe in your
>>imaginary friend.
Well, that would certainly distinguish you from Bobo, then.
In his religious world, those that don’t hold the same faiths that he does must never be left alone, must always be persecuted, ridiculed, badgered, berated, and (if he had his way) turned into criminals.
Personally, I would not want to take on such an odious responsibility.
Someone should make a Gay Christmas Movie and call it “Silent Fart.”
#35–Mustard===yea yea. Now answer the question. Can you recognize your own gibberish? Or like ammadangaringding do you think believing in something that is inherently self contradictory/nonsense/outside of human experience is something that those of other beliefs ((ie==every religious belief has a minority of adherents==the others all believing with even greater faith in something else, something even contradictory)) don’t “Understand?”
In fact, many of the deepest thinkers in theology gain respect by saying that facts interfere with faith. FAITH===what you fall back on when you can’t explain your own BS. What I more politely call “your own gibberish.”
Hurts don’t it.
#37–Mustard===I’m offended. I also greatly respect your right to have imaginary friends. You are just an idiot to do it.
Very different concepts. You do confuse many things.
Rights with Discretion
Religion with Spirituality
Superstition with Disproving the Null Hypothesis.
No wonder you are so confused.
#39 – Bobo
No, it doesn’t hurt. It makes me a little sad for you though, Bobo. There’s nothing quite so melancholic as watching a self-important clown puff himself up like a beach ball to the point where the seams are about to give.
Even the schadenfreude following the inevitable *pop* is tainted by the pathetically egotistical nature of the self-imagined wizard.
As to explaining “my own gibberish”, have you ever noticed that I do not try to explain any of my beliefs to you? I know you must have, from the tantrums you’ve thrown over not being able to berate me for them.
O, would that the high and mighty Atheists took a page from the book of us believers, and kept their opinions on other peoples’ lifestyles to themselves. I guess that’s asking too much, given the personality types that your faith attracts.
#40 – Bobo
>>You are just an idiot to do it.
See what I mean? Sigh, oh big, big sigh.
Mustard==nice “attempted” turn around when we are talking about the “celebration of Christmas.”
Who is puffed up and who is forcing what on whom? And what was Prop I about??? Who was forcing what on whom??
Nice dodge though. People stupid enough to be religious in the first place will agree with the “logic” of the cause and effect.
I agree its wise you don’t go into the details of your personal beliefs with me or anyone else. I’m not embarassed of any of my beliefs, so I share them readily, even in face of your own passive aggressive desire to censor such reality.
Is it soup yet?
To the creature that posted that article.
Just because some one mooned you or threw up in your face does not mean it’s cool to take a picture and post it on line.
Some crap I can live without which is why I have a flush tolit.
If you want to collect the stuff keep it at home.
#44 – Bobo
>>Who is puffed up and who is forcing what ]
>>on whom?
Start paying attention, Bobo. You’re puffed up, and you’re trying to force your religious beliefs on anyone who doesn’t share them.
>>And what was Prop I about???
I have no idea what “Prop I” is. If you’re talking about Prop 8, it was a group of people, not all that different from you, if you think about it, who were trying to force their religious beliefs on people who did not share them.
To try and equate them with all “believers” is a little bit sophomoric, even for you. I’m a white guy, yet I don’t belong to the KKK. I’m male, but I don’t beat my wife. I’m an adult, yet I don’t molest children. I’m an American, yet I don’t support the current president.
Perhaps some day you will mature enough to realize that portraying everyone who belongs to a demographic group does not share all the collateral characteristics of the least worthy members of that group.
Just as I’m sure not all Atheists are as belligerent and evangelical as you.
Have you ever heard the “Rock Opera Tommy”, by the Who? You remind me very much of the protagonist.
I’m free – I’m free,
And freedom tastes of reality,
I’m free-I’m free,
And I’m waiting for you to follow me.
If I told you what it takes
to reach the highest high,
You’d laugh and say ‘nothing’s that simple’
But you’ve been told many times before
Messiahs pointed to the door
And no one had the guts to leave the temple!
I’m free-I’m free
And freedom tastes of reality
I’m free-I’m free
And I’m waiting for you to follow me.
[Chorus:]
How can we follow?
How can we follow?.
Tommy got his comeuppance, and so will you. Best repent soon, while seats are still available for the Rapture! Boo-yah, skee-DADDY!!!
Woops. Typo. You see, Bobo, not even I am infallible:
#44 – Bobo
>>Who is puffed up and who is forcing what ]
>>on whom?
Start paying attention, Bobo. You’re puffed up, and you’re trying to force your religious beliefs on anyone who doesn’t share them.
>>And what was Prop I about???
I have no idea what “Prop I” is. If you’re talking about Prop 8, it was a group of people, not all that different from you, if you think about it, who were trying to force their religious beliefs on people who did not share them.
To try and equate them with all “believers” is a little bit sophomoric, even for you. I’m a white guy, yet I don’t belong to the KKK. I’m male, but I don’t beat my wife. I’m an adult, yet I don’t molest children. I’m an American, yet I don’t support the current president.
Perhaps some day you will mature enough to realize that portraying everyone who belongs to a demographic group as having all the collateral characteristics of the least worthy members of that group is faulty logic.
Just as I’m sure not all Atheists are as belligerent and evangelical as you.
Have you ever heard the “Rock Opera Tommy”, by the Who? You remind me very much of the protagonist.
I’m free – I’m free,
And freedom tastes of reality,
I’m free-I’m free,
And I’m waiting for you to follow me.
If I told you what it takes
to reach the highest high,
You’d laugh and say ‘nothing’s that simple’
But you’ve been told many times before
Messiahs pointed to the door
And no one had the guts to leave the temple!
I’m free-I’m free
And freedom tastes of reality
I’m free-I’m free
And I’m waiting for you to follow me.
[Chorus:]
How can we follow?
How can we follow?.
Tommy got his comeuppance, and so will you. Best repent soon, while seats are still available for the Rapture! Boo-yah, skee-DADDY!!!
#6: While I would assume classically it is a flask of frankincense or myrrh, given the context here I would say it is indeed more a fetish device.
#46–Mustard. In a moment of deadpan earnesty brought on by your previous post stating you feel a certain sadness for me in my godless ways, a sentitment you have expressed 2-3 times in the past=====thank you.
Yes, we all get puffed up in having fun with our own opinions. Its a high mark of empathy and christian good will to feel sorry for those who hurt themselves thru ignorance.
But we are mirror images of one another on this subject. I have never felt any sadness for you as I have never sensed any dysfunction/sadness/ being less than you could be on your part. But then I don’t assume past the facts provided, and as you say, you provide none, and I’m not so egotistical to think your life must be worse off if you don’t agree with me.
So, mirror images with some cracks here and there. I’m also not into feigned injury. Each of us defines ourselves by our own choices, not by other people disagreeing with us.
So, if you infact do, you are wrong to think to the degree you do, that anything at all has been forced on you by me or anyone else that disagrees with you. Thats leading with your emotions like a little girl.
You do confuse many things.
Rights with Discretion
Religion with Spirituality
Superstition with Disproving the Null Hypothesis.
Disagreement with forcing an opinion.
Good thing religion/atheism is mostly irrelevant and science is allowed for the most part to provide us all with its bounty during our lives rather than promising it only in the great hereafter.
#49 – Bobbo
>>But we are mirror images of one another on
>>this subject.
Not quite, Bobbo. Your Atheism doesn’t offend me, the queers in the nativity scene don’t offend me, Atheist crèches (or whatever they put up) on the town common don’t offend me; as long as someone doesn’t try to force me to follow his or her beliefs (religious or otherwise) when what I believe has no impact on them, I’m down with that.
You, on the other hand, seem to be offended by the very existence of my beliefs, even though you don’t know what they are. It’s the Atheists’ way or the highway. Tsk.
>>You do confuse many things.
>>
>>Rights with Discretion
I have no idea what that means.
>>Religion with Spirituality
I think it’s you who does the confusing, son. People who SAY they are religious, yet drag homos behind pickup trucks, support the criminalization of salt ‘n’ pepa marriages, demand that other peoples’ children be taught their own peculiar beliefs or to worship their gods, start wars, take money from the less intelligent to support their train running on meth and man ass,or support a particular economic program because “God told them to” are not religious. They’re delusional, probably criminal.
>>Superstition with Disproving the Null
>>Hypothesis.
I see you’ve gone with creative capitalization as well as punctuation. You’re so artistic! Are you sure you’re not gay? I don’t believe that I have ever conflated superstition with disproving the null hypothesis. If anything, it is YOU who are confusing the two. Just like fire was a mystery to the cave man, and television was a mystery to the 20th century luddite, there are things even today, even with our models of climate change and our supercolliders and our Windows Vista operating systems, that remain mysterious and inaccessible to current science. Your inability to assimilate that shows a lacking on your part.
>>Disagreement with forcing an opinion.
Again, if anyone is confusing those two, I propose it is you. Perhaps you don’t think that constant harrassment, belittlement, and imagined ridicule of others’ viewpoints, and even an expressed opinion that those viewpoitns should be made illegal, is “forcing an opinion”. I guess it’s all definitional, huh?
Mr. mustard and bobber are another couple of asshat liberal ass plug mechanics. Why do you think they call him Mr mustard? If it’s not covered with ‘mustard’ he’s not interested. Same for bobbo or bobber.
#50==Mustard. Mirror Images, and a repeat of #49 as rather than advance the dialectic, you only provide another example of the beginning premise. The limits of dogma.
#51– I believe Mr Mustard is called Mr Mustard and its variants because thats his self-chosen nickname on this here blog, just as yours is f&ckedup. Now, I’m not called Mr. Mustard, but rather bobbo and its variants.
#51 – FuckUp
You’re like Chris Cooper’s character in American Beauty. You rant and roar about the pansies and the faggots and the queers and the homos and the ass bandits and the pole smokers and the pencil puffers and the travelers on the Hershey highway. Then at some point you snap, and grab Kevin Spacey in a tight embrace while you grab his pecker and try to french kiss him.
Methinks, FuckUp, thou dost proest too much.
#52 – Bobbo
>>The limits of dogma.
I suggest you recognize that you are neither Confucious nor Master Po. Not even James Joyce. You might want to knock off the inscrutable shit, and just say whatever it is you have to say (provided you have anything to say). No grasshoppers here.
#54–Mustard, your inside-out world view is displayed again. I make no claims to philosophy or erudition. What you claim I do is only projection on your part. And how is telling me to knock it off any different than me saying “religion is gibberish?”
Its different because you attack me personally, whereas I only attack religion or the thought. Again, more projection on your part to see your guilty self in the innocent others.
You claim attacks from everyone else because that is your world view of intellectual interchange: “Agree with me or you are attacking me.” Very Christian of you as in “The Inquisition!!” ((and in this day and age, no body expects THAT))
Give it a try someday, a bit more soul reflection on your part Mustard????? You can still tell Pedro to STFU as often as you like and still think of yourself as the dove of peace.
#55 – Bobo
>>What you claim I do is only projection on
>>your part.
No, Bobo, it’s a natural fact. Many of your posts are peppered with nonsensical gibberish that (and I’m only projecting here) you must assume to be profound, or creative, or demonstratory of a deep and broad intellectual foundation. Much like your flights into creative punctuation. Whatever the motivation, it’s gibberish. That’s an objective assessment. And, btw, the punctuation doesn’t help.
“Religion” is not gibberish. You may not believe it, you may not like it, you may be unable to tolerate it, you may consider it antithetical to your own deeply-held religious beliefs. However, other than the folks speaking in tongues, the words and sentences make sense. Other aspects of it make sense too, more to some than others.
>>Its different because you attack me
>>personally, whereas I only attack religion
>>or the thought.
And that would be made manifest in statements such as “You are just an idiot to do it“, as you stated in Message #40, hm?
>>You claim attacks from everyone else because
>>that is your world view of intellectual
>>interchange
On the contrary, Bobo. I claim attacks from you. Most Atheists I know are pretty mellow, and we get along just fine. On the other hand, they don’t attack my beliefs on a regular and unprovoked basis (just as I don’t attack theirs). Only you (and a very few of your Atheist bretheren) are so radically insistent that others believe just what you believe, and if they don’t, they’re idiots, just like me.
>>You can still tell Pedro to STFU as often as
>>you like and still think of yourself as the
>>dove of peace.
Sure. He IS an idiot. I’m just doing him a favor. Nyuk nyuk nyuk! He’d be better off S’ing TFU.
#57 – ‘dro
I didn’t call you in, I merely replied to Bobo’s comment about you. While he was punishing me 😉
When you’re called in, you will know it, m’hijito.
aww shucks.. i missed another bobbothon..
who has the raygun now?
-to be sure, the look on a devote christian’s
face upon seeing that pic would be priceless.
/me goes back to sleep
-s
#59 – ‘dro
No te preocupas, ‘dro. Cuando yo te llame, lo sabrás.
#60 – sw
>>to be sure, the look on a devote christian’s
>>face upon seeing that pic would be priceless.
I looked at it, and to use Paddy-RAMBO’s lexicon, I LOL’d. If somebody can’t take a joke, fuck ’em.
Mr Mustard, you forgot rope smoker. Damn, you are a long winded bastard.
#63 – FuckUp
>>Mr Mustard, you forgot rope smoker.
Gosh, I’ve never heard that term. Is that what they call ’em in your neck of the woods?
#25, effedup,
I love #19: Nothing funnier than a dumbass, godless, asshat, liberal pontificating on theology.
Who “pontificated”? It sounds like you are offended by the truth.
Im sure Mr Fusion knows more about the care and cleaning of an ass plug than he does about christianity. I cant wait to hear more. Now we know Mr Fusion’s real identity. He’s a professor of theology at Cal.
Are you really sure? I guess that shows your level of intelligence. For while I have no problem with homosexuals doing their thing as they chose to do them, that life style is not for me. I am happily married and I am more than confident I will remain heterosexual.
If I was a professor of theology, then I would be known as DR. Fusion.
Your babbling isn’t even amusing. I know several gays and I am quite sure that most normal people would prefer their company to yours. You are a sad person, a homophobe, and a bigot. Your kind is a blight on the human race.