Damn. I was hoping a fist fight would break out. At least they more or less actually ‘debated.’
Oh, well, you know what to do, Joe the Plumber.
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WHo ever gets the job, its going to be JANITORIAL..
the Gov is going to need to run NAKED to get this cleaned up..NOTHING SPENT for the next 8-12 years..AT LEAST..
WHO ever gets the job, GETS to clean up the mess, or MAKE IT WORSE..
We are so screwed.
Judging by the debates, the big O will mostly do this for the country – ramble and pause, ramble and pause, ramble and pause, until such a point where we get so bored and frustrated we will give him anything he wants.
McCain will buck both parties in their asses and slaughter pork. Mmmmm tasty at breakfast, pork. McCain provides better nutrition for our lawmaking which needs strong bones and muscles.
If you get the big lying O in there, you will have one hell of a mess after 4 days, not years. Not that the world will self destruct, just more Mexicans will need to buck the border patrol to come back in to clean the White House.
Cheerio.
#29, I heard that too. (the brest choice…)
And if Democrats get a super majority, then all checks and balances will be gone…the very people who brought us close to the Great Depression, will likely push us fully into it.
You mean, like the GOP had for first six years of Bush’s term? The ones who were asleep at the wheel as this financial situation grew? The ones who shouted out against any meaningful regulation? With their majority they set a new standard for exclusion of the minority party in the congressional process, destroying the checks and balances of the system, and inadvertently set the stage for their own demise. OTOH, the Dems have had super majorities many times over the years and never played that game. But now that the GOP has set this new standard for incompetence, anything is possible. Let’s hope the next congress does better.
The Dems will need good leadership in congress, and I don’t think they have it in the House.
Several times it looked like McCain was going to blow up.
Does anyone think, anymore, that working our way out of this won’t involve the actual cash transfer of funds to pay off our collective Bush debts?
Other than McCain?
http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gethimhomebigwa0.jpg
What’s up with McCain?
I often make faces like that at work too, because I find that my colleagues respect me more when I do that.
Alfred1 said:
“And if Democrats get a super majority, then all checks and balances will be gone…the very people who brought us close to the Great Depression, will likely push us fully into it.”
You mean Coolidge and Hoover? Oh damn, those are Republicans aren’t they? You must mean Congress. That would be Gillet and Longworth as Speakers. Oh crap, they were Republicans too.
Good for you Obamacans! Your almighty leader won! Even with all of the stuttering, rambling and non-answers typical of a politician, it’s obvious the majority are ready to hand their future to this savior.
Hope that works out better for you than getting control of Congress. They did such a great job of pulling out of Iraq, reforming health care, impeaching Bush and sounding the alarm about the financial crisis.
Obama, Pelosi and Reid – a trifecta you can believe in!
# 33 BigCF
# 33 BigCarbonFoot said, on October 16th, 2008 at 3:24 am
We are so screwed.
Where do you get this “we” asshole.
“Oh, well, you know what to do, Joe the Plumber.”
After the show “Joe the Plumber” was called and he said that after listening to Obama’s answers, an Obama Presidency would cost him more money than McCain.
Obama the Redistributor of Wealth
LOL
The Republicans must be pretty pissed off that their trusty slime machine and stale one liners has failed so miserably in such a critical election.
While it’s not over till it’s over, it is very likely the GOP has already started impeachment proceedings against Obama for something. It’s the one thing Americans will have to put up with year after year from this sorry ass party.
You people need to become more clueful.
mccain: vacuous tired anti-liberal tripe
obama: i have a plan
mccain: i have a plan too, i’ve changed it a tweaked it to sound better! i’ll do anything to boost my poll numbers.
obama: my vp is actually qualified.
mccain: i’m so proud of that little lady, who knew women could actually govern?
obama: john, people at your rallies say things like “kill him”
mccain: people at your rallies say things that hurt my feelings.
i think we get the picture. mccain should have gotten the nod 8 years ago, but the GOP went with the bush brand. now the gop has said “okay john, go ahead give it a try, we got what we wanted.”
Israel is a horrible ally. It’s a democracy manipulated by an arch conservative religious movement that receives three billion dollars in “aid” annually from the U. S., while it has a annual median per capita income greater than West Virginia. They are still building “Settlements” on Captured territory despite numerous “demands” by Condoleezza Rice to STOP.
As for “Joe the Plumber,” let’s ask him if he’s willing to pay a little extra in taxes to pay for the very expensive war in Iraq that he wanted Bush to wage. We could even ask Joe if the plumbing business he’s thinking of buying would be so prosperous if our government didn’t make massive infusions of cash to free up the flow of credit in our economy, hoping to prevent a far worse collapse. Joe probably doesn’t want to admit it, but the government plays an important role in maintaining the economic climate where a local plumbing business can show a taxable profit of over $250,000 a year.
I don’t think that putting Joe the Plumber in the 39% tax bracket instead of 36% will have him laying off plumbers. It might actually make him want to work harder to grow his business.
#47 “It might actually make him want to work harder to grow his business.”
Yes, because penalizing an activity makes people do that activity more. Like giving straight A students detention makes them want to study even harder.
ROFL
I am willing to pay ATT and Verizon a little more to provide McCain’s ranch cellphone coverage. In return, Joe the plumber can spare some change to provide American health coverage.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/10/exclusive_verizon_gave_cell_to.html
#48 Paddy-O, raising taxes in this case is not analogous detention to a student. The ability to KEEP only 61% of his profit (over the top bracket amount) instead of 64% isn’t the same as a strict deterrent to that activity as you seem to be suggesting. He still has the same positive incentive that the more he makes, the more he keeps, period.
The only strict deterrent that Joe has is against a vote for Obama, who disagrees with Joe about the proportion of the load that should be born by people making that much money.
#48
Paddy,
you are 100% correct, so let’s continue with your logic…
by removing regulations on banks, as john mccain plans to do, he will further incentivize banks to take outlandish risks and will provide even easier ways to hide their shenanigans, allowing them to go hog-wild and strip the bones of the US economy of any remaining meat
meanwhile, mmcain will continue to pay for tax cuts by borrowing even more money from the chinese, further distorting the world economy, and reducing any diplomatic strength we hold over red china.
both myopic policy fronts will further weaken the banking system, provoking a complete collapse, probably destroying the bank where joe the plumber keeps his life savings.
his savings of course, which will then be used to pay for hunting trips in the english country side.
yaaaaay! all in a day’s work.
#51 “you are 100% correct, so let’s continue with your logic…”
1st. Free enterprise as a system is workable long term.
An unconstitutional money supply including the Fed isn’t.
If you go back to private banks and a money supply controlled by Congress you can deregulate.
So, back to my statement. Penalizing Joe, or an A student will make them WANT to work harder?
What’s wrong with a little redistribution of wealth? Even Warren Buffett thinks he should be taxed more. What Warren understands is that he has plenty of money. He alone cannot keep the economy afloat. The middle class consumers are what make an economy. If the middle class has more money to spend, everyone else benefits.
It’s quite simple. Anyone who looks at it differently is either rich and greedy, or a devoted follower of broken republican politics (notice I don’t say conservative – their are few republicans left who are truly conservative).
#48 – O’Pinocchio
>>Yes, because penalizing an activity makes
>>people do that activity more. Like giving
>>straight A students detention makes them want
>to study even harder.
>>
>>ROFL
According to your pretzel logic, what Joe REALLY wants to do is quit his job, go on welfare and food stamps, and pay 0.0000% marginal tax rate. Like Paddy O-Pinocchio does!
LOL! ROFL! ROTFLMAO!!
You are such a shallow wingnut. You’d be doing yourself a favor by turning off your computer. You don’t seem to learn anything, and you just make an ass of yourself, day after day.
LOL! LOLOLOL!
#53 “What’s wrong with a little redistribution of wealth? Even Warren Buffett thinks he should be taxed more.”
Then why hasn’t he sent more to the US Treasury?
I’ve an idea. Anyone who thinks they get their moneys worth from the Gov’t send more, so you get more.
Pretty simple. People will willingly pay for what they see value in.
Let’s not forget that the people making more than $250,000 per year were given that money by people making far less. I am talking CEO’s, board members, business owners, rich actors/directors, etc…
If we are saying that by taxing the rich more (in order to give back to the people who gave them the money in the first place) is going to destroy the desire of these rich people to continue doing the things that made them rich, then apparently these people are doing things for the wrong reasons. That is the true source of the problem.
Greed is NOT good. Creating a new industry to make jobs, improve the standards of living for people and give people something to live for IS good. It creates a thriving economy and prevents the problems facing us domestically and abroad. People need to fundamentally change their attitude in order for this to work though. That’s why it will never work… human nature.
>If he ran like he did last time it would be a different story.
You mean he would lose like last time?
>Obama will do as Hoover did, and turn a recession into a years long depression.
That’s what FDR did. The rest of Europe recovered, then they went to war.
#52 Paddy-O repeated his tax analogy, “Penalizing Joe, or an A student will make them WANT to work harder?”
Maybe this will help you see how flawed this analogy is. Raising taxes is more like raising academic standards, instead of the penalty to which you keep referring. So the better question would be, would raising the requirements for an ‘A’ really penalize students and discourage them from trying to excel in school? If that’s the case, then we’re in for more disagreements when we start discussing education reform.
#55 He hasn’t because he isn’t required to? I have heard and read his quote, but I can’t read his mind. He may feel that it is the right thing to do morally and thus states it publicly, but maybe he doesn’t take certain actions because of it’s unpopularity. Peer pressure? Who the hell knows.
The reality is, there are a lot of mindless people out there throwing their money away for very little in return. Many people take advantage of this and become rich. We can say that that is fair, but is it right?
#55 Maybe he doesn’t want to give it to the US treasury for fear of what they will do with the money, such as what they did with the recent bailout. I think he knew fairly well that it was a bad idea, but he has no control over these things. Again, I am speculating on WB’s thought process here, make up your own assertions.
#60 “Maybe he doesn’t want to give it to the US treasury for fear of what they will do with the money,”
So he wants me to pay more but not? This is what his ACTIONS say. What a hypocrite.