As people keep watching this economic crises unfold we keep hearing that Bush is going to declare martial law. But Bush has no control over the Democratic Congress and it’s the Democrats who control this “bail out” not the Republicans. The Democrats also control the war in Iraq. So this Congressman says the Republicans have been shut out of the bail out legislation and nobody has any idea as to what is in the bail out bill. There are hints that much of it has little to do with bailing out anything but is a money grab. And what is all this about Pelosi declaring martial law?
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WTF. Video or it didn’t happen :p
Read the rulebook, sometime, for Congress. A majority of 60 is needed to pass laws through the Senate over any sort of opposition. The Dems do not have that majority.
Even if that point should be reached in the coming election, the differentiation in Congress generally relies on conservative vs. liberal votes. Excepting a few short periods in the past sixty years, the conservative vote continues to rule both houses of Congress.
>>Democrats control….Democrats
>>control…Democrats control..
Ixnay on the “Democrats control”. Democrats have a razor thin majority in Congress (Wiki-whatever lists 49 Dems, 49 Repubs, and 2 “other”).
To imply that the Democrats are somehow responsible for everything bad that has happened in the last two years is … well …. irresponsible.
I don’t think he’s referring to the American Public. I think he’s referring to “Martial Law” in terms of congressional operations. This is taken way out of context.
Could ‘martial law’ be congressional slang for ‘usual rules suspended, debate minimized’, etc.? That is something congresswide rather than countrywide?
#3 “Ixnay on the “Democrats control”. Democrats have a razor thin majority in Congress (Wiki-whatever lists 49 Dems, 49 Repubs, and 2 “other”).”
The “others” caucus with the dems.
It is hard for the Dems to PASS something through the Senate. In the House it is NO problem.
It is also NO problem to not pass something for the Dems. Nothing can pass without the Dems saying, Okay. For instance, unless the Dems agree, there can be no $ for Bush’s wars. The Repubs are POWERLESS to spend. So, the Dems keep funding the war. Go figure.
#3
The Dems are in control of the House and the Senate. If it was “even” in the Senate then why does the Senate have a majority leader who is a Democrat? How does that work? Furthermore this means that the Chairmen of all the committees are Democrats. They control all the basic underlying activity. Nothing can get out of committee if the Democrats do not want it out of committee. If this is not control, then the dictionaries are bad. I thought the election of all these Democrats in 2006 was going to fix things in Washington and end the war. We’ve got two years of what exactly?
“Bush has no control over the Democratic Congress and it’s the Democrats who control this “bail out” not the Republicans.”
Only Congress can declare war against another nation, yet we’re in Iraq, right?
Bush would simply circumvent the Constitution and Congress again, and Congress would simply roll over and play dead. If Herr Bush wants martial law, then martial law we shall have.
The banks and Wall Street must take responsibility for its own greed. They lent money to people who they knew couldn’t afford it for years. Many American’s are using credit cards for buying things they can’t afford. We have become dependent on credit, its our own fault. Spend wisely, save, and buy things with cash.
If you believe politicians have any capability or care to solve your problems you are in trouble. Democrat or Republican, they don’t care.
WTF?
1. “Democrats also control the war in Iraq”. The Commander in Chief is Bush.
2. “it’s the Democrats who control this ‘bail out’ not the Republicans.” Not true. Any bill has to be signed by the Republicans (Bush). There isn’t a veto proof margin. So the Republicans have to be 50% of this solution. Also why did John McCain suspend his campaign (giggle) and fly to DC if he (Republicans) aren’t involved in this? Gee, didn’t the Republicans kill the bill that was proposed by the other Republicans (Bush/Bernanke) on Friday? Yeah, I guess there just aren’t Republicans involved in this process. LOL
So the Sec Treas Paulson writes a bill and drops it on Congress 5 days ago, simultaneously Bush and McCain say “Sign it now or the US will die” yet Dvorak claims “Democrats are in control of this”
WHat are you smoking Dvorak?
And where can I get some?
ROTFLMAO
“Pelosi declaring martial law?”
One Congresswoman can’t declare martial law you retards! Only the Commander in Chief (Bush) can nationalize the guard and call them up. One single woman out of the 435 members of Congress (ignoring the 100 members of the Senate too) has 0.0000% control over the national guard or Army. Does anyone on here even understand our government from a grade school perspective? Jesus. LOL
So, the Democrats don’t control because they barely have a majority. How is it that the Republican’s supposedly control when they hold a minority?
Wait, according to my sources, the party breakdown in the Congress by year was
Year_____: R-D Senate:R-D House
1999-2001: 55-45 : 223-211-1
2001-2003: 50-50 : 221-212-2
2003-2005: 51-48-1 : 229-205-1
2005-2007: 55-44-1 : 231-202-1
2007-2009: 49-49-2 : 198-233
The House shows a higher majority for the Dems than the Republicans have had. The last time the Republicans had the majority as wide as the Dems have now in the House was in 1947-1949.
When was it the Republicans had this “Super Majority” that would mean they caused everything while the Dems with their “not really” majority can’t do anything to stop them?
@#9: Democrats are in control of what is actually in the Bill and according to this Representative on video, they are not giving the complete content of the Bill to the opposing party for review before the vote. That is what is un-democratic in this situation.
“Martial Law” is the term the Republican congressmen recently came up with to describe the actions of Democratic congressmen.
Martial law is a euphemism for military dictatorship.
Your President as commander in chief is the only one who can declare a military dictatorship during rebellions and inssurections according to the constitution.
Remember?
Your Democratic congressmen cannot declare martial law. Well Duh.
This latest gibberish is total Republican congressional propaganda designed to confuse Dvorkak and other easily confused Republicans.
Here’s a clue: How many countries have you seen where a legislature had a military coup on a country?
NONE
MIlitary dictatorships are executed by military chiefs. Well duh.
Now, that said, it is a serious matter to worry about Bush declaring military dictatorship.
#6 OvenMaster said “Only Congress can declare war against another nation, yet we’re in Iraq, right?
Yep, House and Senate approved by vote. What’s your point?
#8 What is this about “WTF?
1. “Democrats also control the war in Iraq”. The Commander in Chief is Bush.”
I’ll explain, slowly.
The CIC controls the conduct of the war. The Congress controls whether the country pays for, and thus can continue making war. The Dem controlled Congress has continued originating spending bills to pay for the war. Without the Dems originating and PASSING war spending bills, we would no longer be at war.
Understand now?
Even worse is it’s not just Republicans coming out and saying this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMCZ8JeEpUw
#17
A must view video.
The naivete around here is surprising.
The reason Republicans are “opposing” the bailout for their Wall Street banking buddies — who are all Republicans, generous donors to the GOP, and who have always worked for Republican interests and the deregulation “strategy” — is because they know their votes can’t really derail a bailout bill.
So Republicans will get political credit for “opposing” the bailout of their friends (their past and future work colleagues) — and yet they’ll still get their bailout.
It’s the classic fake-hostage maneuver that congressional minorities have been performing for decades.
>>Nothing can get out of committee if the
>>Democrats do not want it out of committee.
And with a couple of ship-jumpers, nothing can be passed if the Republicans don’t want it passed.
“Bush has not been held accountable for the felonies he committed and for leading telecom companies into a life of crime.
As the lawmakers who gave us FISA understood, spying on people without warrants lets a political party collect dirt on its adversaries with which to blackmail them.
As Bush illegally spied a long time before word of it got out, blackmail might be the reason the Democrats have ignored their congressional election mandate and have not put a stop to Bush’s illegal wars and unconstitutional police state measures.
Perhaps the Democrats have finally caught on that they cannot function as a political party as long as they continue to permit Bush to spy on them. For one reason or another, they have let the Orwellian-named Protect America Act expire.
With the Protect America Act, Bush and his brownshirts are trying to establish the independence of the executive branch from statutory law and the Constitution. The FISA law means that the president is accountable to federal judges for warrants. Bush and the brownshirt Republicans are striving to make the president independent of all accountability. The brownshirts insist that the leader knows best and can tolerate no interference from the law, the judiciary, the Congress, or the Constitution, and certainly not from the American people who, the brownshirts tell us, won’t be safe unless Bush is very powerful.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison saw it differently. The American people cannot be safe unless the president is accountable and under many restraints.
Pray that the Democrats have caught on that they cannot give the executive branch unaccountable powers to spy and still have grounds on which to refuse the executive branch unaccountable powers elsewhere.
Republicans have used the “war on terror” to create an unaccountable executive.”
— Paul Craig Roberts, former Asst Treasury Secretary appointed by President Reagan.
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/080219_bush.htm
If President Bush uses his constitutional power to declare martial law, will you believe the Republican congressmen who are going to, actually alrady are, telling the public that the Democratic congress members were really the ones who declared martial law?
Martial law is a euphemism for military dictatorship. Have you ever seen ANY legislature in the history of the world impose a military dictatorship, ratgher than a military chief???
THINK.
The Republican memebers of congress are playing a dangerous game of deception to the public with their recent warnings about martial law coming from their political rivals in congress.
I am worried about how many people will believe their deception. Only the Commander in Chief of the federal govt and only the CICs of the states has this power.
Why would the Democrats need a “super-majority”? Bush has already said he will sign the bail-out bill.
With 2-3 exceptions, Bush has signed every bill put in front of him. During his first term, he didn’t veto anything. I think it was during his second term that someone showed him where the veto stamp was kept.
#15 – O’Furniture
>>Yep, House and Senate approved by vote. What’s
>>your point? The House and Senate never approved (nor voted on) a declaration of war against Iraq. In fact, “Operation Iraqi Freedom” isn’t even a war, it’s an “extended military engagement”.
The Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq authorized Dumbya to use armed force against Iraq IF AND WHEN ALL OTHER OPTIONS HAD BEEN EXHAUSTED.
That wasn’t good enough for Dumbya, though. He rushed into this misbegotten conflict with bad information, no information, anything at all. He was so hell-bent on starting a war that he did an end run around the inspectors, diplomacy, and anything else that would have solved the Iraqi problem without sending in troops.
It was obvious years before the first troops landed that he was going to send American kids to fight and die, come hell or high water.
The biggest mistake made was authorizing Bush to do ANYTHING without careful oversight and regulation. He’s shown over and over again, throughout the course of his entire life, that he’s constitutionally incapable of doing ANYTHING right.
#6 John, even if Obama wins the Whitehouse and the Dems gain an even bigger majority in congress, Mustard and the rest of the libtards will continue to blame Bush and the Republicans for everything bad. They know no other way.
I can’t wait to vote these congress people OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#24 gquaglian – I see you’re bracing yourself for defeat. Sad thing is that it is Bush and company’s fault that we are in the sad state we are in now and most die hard Republicans can not even entertain the thought of being so f$cking wrong.
#24 “The Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq authorized Dumbya to use armed force against Iraq IF AND WHEN ALL OTHER OPTIONS HAD BEEN EXHAUSTED.”
That’s enough. There is no set format other than to have the Congress authorize by vote. That the repubs & dems in Congress gave open ended authority is its fault.
Maybe this is just further proof that there is little difference between dems & reps?
Cripes! at this rate, it’s going to be impossible to tell the “lesser of two evils” come election day.
John (@ #7):
If it was “even” in the Senate then why does the Senate have a majority leader who is a Democrat? How does that work?
The 2 independents caucus with the Democrats, giving them the 51-49 majority. It’s also the only reason that Lieberman (one of the I’s) hasn’t had his ass handed to him for his stunt at the Republican Convention.