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#29 – “Otherwise, they would have to concentrate on WHAT THE F&CK WAS SHE DOING USING A PERSONAL HOTMAIL ACCOUNT FOR STATE BUSINESS???”
The two e-mail addresses referenced in the Washington Post article are Yahoo, not Hotmail accounts.
More to the point, is there AK law regarding using non-government servers for e-mail traffic? The addresses in question in the Post are gov.sarah and gov.palin@yahoo.com, so that implies that they weren’t necessarily “personal” to begin with. I’m curious what the actual law requires. There may be a need to change the law here as well.
I think its great that they cracked her email account. They effectively gave her a get out jail free card. none of those emails can be submitted as evidence against her now. any mail order lawyer can argue that those emails, if they are submitted as evidence, were first obtained illegally and gave the investigators and unfair advantage in her defense.
thanks anon, you rock.
>rephrase his talking point as “the law should” rather than “the law does.”
If only judges would do that as well.
Love how people use declare that it is illegal for her personal email to have anything work-related in it. This is the state that has Ted Stevens. How are you so sure they have a law on what e-mail people should use?
This isn’t the CIA, which by the way let John Deutsch off easy for taking his CIA stuff home on his personal computer.
#32 – Jeff
>>The two e-mail addresses referenced in the
>>Washington Post article are Yahoo, not
>>Hotmail accounts.
Yeah yeah, OK. My bad. Is there a difference? They’re both crappy, low-security, freebie e-mail accounts that should never be used for official business. Especially when the user can “see Russia from [her] house”.
If I got caught using hotmail or yahoo to be sending and recieving proprietary information at my job, I’d be fired.
As to what the law is in AK, I’m not a lawyer, and I don’t live in AK, so I don’t know.
However, I’m sure that if it was within the bounds of the law, the neocon Drive-By Media would have pointed that out long ago.
Instead, they focus on the “hacker”, the web site where the illicit e-mails were posted, and all sorts of nonsense that, again, has NOTHING to do with the real question here, which is “WHAT THE F&CK WAS SHE DOING USING A PERSONAL UNSECURED FREEBIE ACCOUNT FOR STATE BUSINESS???”
Where there’s smoke, there’s usually fire. She’s got something to hide.
I send and receive business e-mails all the time from my home computer. That’s why I have a secure VPN connection to my email server at work.
And I’m no Governor/ VP nominee. I’m sure that with the big stick she wields, she could have had the AK state IT guys whip something up for her. If she wanted. But hey, you don’t go around talking about TrooperGate coverups etc. on the official state email system, do ya?
Palin conducting State business via Yahoo mail? She’s sooooo close to the Russian border, up there. That they Ruskies are probably reading her Blackberry. I wonder what she conducts on that? She’s only slightly smarter than McCain, for having an email account, at all. But trusting sensitive State business to anything as flaky as Yahoo, shows she doesn’t know much about security (or cares to).
BTW, bonehead (O’Reilly), Megan Kelly hasn’t the authority to put anyone behind bars. Does he think he’s the President, now?!
Folks, lets not allow our political views cloud the real issue here.
What Palin was or was not doing with this account, is not the issue. The issue is hacking into a personal email account, and copying some or part of it’s content and giving it to someone else.
As for Palin, wouldn’t you have to prove that she used the private account with the “intent” to bypass the law in order to go after her. But that’s a seperate issue.
As far as the website, do they make money if people visit there site? If posting the “copied” material resulted in more people visiting the site, couldn’t it be argued that they profited from the material and couldn’t they be held liable?
I think we’re covering somewhat new ground here with this, politics shouldn’t even play into the main issue of the hacking and the posting.
#39 – Big Boy
>>What Palin was or was not doing with this
>>account, is not the issue. The issue is
>>hacking into a personal email account, and
>>copying some or part of it’s content and
>>giving it to someone else.
No, Big Boy, that’s exactly NOT what the issue is. If somebody hacked into my personal e-mail account and gave the e-mails to someone else, no one would give a flying f&ck.
The issue here is WHAT IS SARAH PALIN DOING USING A YAHOO ACCOUNT FOR OFFICIAL STATE BUSINESS, AND WHAT IS SHE HIDING?
You just KNOW that if Tricky Dick had personal e-mail and a Crackberry during the Watergate scandal, there never would have been a “missing 18 minutes” smoking gun tape. Once you start putting shit down on official media, there’s a trail. And unless you’re desperate enough to manually destroy it (like Nixon), it’s there for all posterity.
Reading somebody else’s e-mail is naughty. Coverups by the highest elected state official is a crime.
I don’t give a f&ck about Wikileak or “anonymous”.
If someone who aspires to be “a heartbeat away from the presidency” is up to dirty tricks, coverups, and shenannigans that won’t stand the light of day, THAT I care about.
Everyone’s wrong sometimes. He’s got a pretty good record of being point on when others are full of crap. He’s very wrong here, though. Maybe he was sharing meds with Rush that day?
#41 – sbostedor
>>He’s got a pretty good record of being point
>>on when others are full of crap.
Oh, come one! I’ve never met a woman in my life who wanted her coochie rubbed with a loofah pad!!
OUCH!!!
Mister Mustard,
I stand by what I said and I respect the fact you don’t agree. I would care if someone hacked into your email or anyone elses.
If you feel that Palin’s private account and how she was using it is a issue, then that’s one thing. I don’t have a problem with that.
But, it’s a totally seperate issue from that of the hacker and the postings of the contents of that hack.
Even if the hacking of Palin’s email does lead to an inquiry, It doesn’t absolve the hacker and the website for any wrong-doing they may be guilty of.
The hacker is not “whistle blower”, he/she is a theif.
So we know “for a fact” that she used a personal email address to conduct official business?
That argument seems dubious without that little thing known as “proof.”
I guess if we say anything often enough it automatically becomes true. Hey, I get it…you guys don’t like her and her politics. That’s OK but don’t let that get in the way of the truth. I know there are those who never let the facts get in the way of their worldview (and yes, that applies to any political type).
#43 – Big Boy
>>But, it’s a totally seperate issue from that
>>of the hacker and the postings of the
>>contents of that hack.
Absolutely. And the hacker and the posters should get exactly the same punishment the would get if they hacked and posted my email.
>>Even if the hacking of Palin’s email does
>>lead to an inquiry, It doesn’t absolve the
>>hacker and the website for any wrong-doing
>>they may be guilty of.
“even if”?? If it doesn’t lead to an inquiry, it will be the biggest cover-up since Watergate.
>>The hacker is not “whistle blower”, he/she
>>is a theif.
What exactly did he/she “steal”? It’s like making an audiotape of Nixon’s recordings that later turned up with an 18-minute gap, then returning the tape to the recorder. COPIES of incriminating documents were “stolen”, not the original documents themselves.
Maybe Palin could get the RIAA involved, and claim that she was going to sell the e-mails on eBay, and therefore, they’ve diddled with her profit center.
Until that argument has been made, what we’re dealing with here is the Governor of Alaska possibly making shady deals outside the office, using her non-secure, easily hackable, personal freebie account.
Tsk tsk. With all the corruption that has been traced back to Dumbya’s administration, you’d think that McBush would vet his running mate a little more carefully.
He shoulda picked Pawlenty. He has more experience than Palin, and I’ll bet none of this dirt would be coming out after the fact.
#44 – Dick D.
>>That argument seems dubious without that
>>little thing known as “proof.”
Weeeeeel, she’s not in criminal court here. We needn’t have evidence beyond the shadow of a doubt.
People who choose to run for President-to-be of the United States are held to a somewhat higher standard than crack dealers and rapists.
Kinda like that whole “whose kid is Trig?” thing.
Proof positive is readily available.
All she has to do is release the text of all the e-mail messages (you know, like the Governor is SUPPOSED to do with official correspondence?), and take a DNA test (along with Bristol).
Easy enough to confirm or debunk. The ball’s in her court.
Billo, the annoying one.
#48 – ‘dro
>>This equates to opening your neighbor’s mail
Not exactly. “Your neighbor’s mail” is delivered, at least in the US, by the USPS, a quasi-governmental under the executive branch of the United States government.
Dicking around with the US mail is a federal crime.
What these hackers did is somewhere between listening in to somebody else’s conversation, and picking up a party line phone and eavesdropping.
In any case, if what they did is found to be a crime, I’m sure they will get their just desserts.
What I’m more interested in is WTF WAS SARAH PALIN DOING? The last time I checked, willfully circumventing the records retention policy of the AK state government was still a crime.
Let’s see if Sarracuda is pursued and prosecuted with the same vigor that Loofah Pad O’Reilly is suggesting for the “hackers” and Wikileaks.
I’m not sure I sense the same outcome of this video as many of you did. O’Rielly is just voicing his opinion, just like everyone of you here. Just because he’s feels one way and you feel another does not make him an idiot. I think most of you “educated” folks need to get past your own prejudice’s and bias’s to realize that those across the other side of the isle are Americans too. These websites knew what they were doing was wrong. is it criminal based on the laws? that’s for judges to decide. But ethics clearly dictate that what they did was not acceptable. I don’t care if it was Hillary Clinton..
#46
Weeeeeel I guess I didn’t make my point well. It happens.
Having a personal email address does not constitute circumventing record-keeping laws. What the hacker found was personal stuff not official work.
It’s all too easy for some to justify law breaking when they despise someone like “Saracuda” (how very clever because it combines her name with barracuda, a vicious beast…I see what you did there…and it’s even funnier because Heart, the group, told McCain to stop using their song).
Should we give the hacker a pass because you want to believe a politician has something to hide yet you have no evidence to hold this belief? And you’re presenting this belief as fact. You would at least admit hacking someone’s email address is wrong or do we live in the world of “if it feels good, do it”?
#50 – “O’Rielly is just voicing his opinion…”
Watch the video again. The analogy he was making about stealing money has no relationship to this case. While it may be his opinion, so what? Kendall was making an argument based on the law and the case at hand and he was totally off point.
Ooops. Should have said Kelly rather than Kendall.
#51 – D-Dawk
>>Having a personal email address does not
>>constitute circumventing record-keeping laws.
“Having a personal email address” is not the nature of the controversy. It’s USING that email address to send and receive official state emails using that account, for no apparent reason (other than the obvious, which is to keep the communications under the radar and prevent them from being archived, and possibly discovered).
>>What the hacker found was personal stuff not
>>official work.
So say you. According to wikileaks, there were letters in there to her aides, to Department of Public Works personnel, and a draft letter to Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Maybe in the Alaskan Republican party this sort of thing is considered “personal stuff”, but here in the lower 48, it’s official state business being conducted by the highest elected official in the State.
As to the full contents of all the emails, I haven’t seen that posted. In the absence of proof to the contrary, it only seems common sense to conclude that messages from Palin to her aides, the DPW, and copies of draft letters to the Governor of California to not fall under the umbrella of “personal stuff”.
As to giving the hackers a free pass, heck no! They should receive the same punishment as the guy down the street from me would, were he caught hacking into my email account.
I doubt the FBI and Secret Service would be all over THAT one. Unless it turns out that Palin was sending and receiving classified state materials via her Yahoo! account. In that case, we’re right back where we started; the scandal being Palin’s unauthorized (and possibly illegal) use of personal email for official business, not some naughty boys who know how to game the password protection on a free hotmail service.