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PHILIP J. BERG v. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA – Complaint — OK, you just have to go to this document and see what’s up. This much is for sure, Berg is a pro-Hillary 9-11 Truther who is trying to derail the Obama nomination at the last minute. Apparently the Republicans don’t have to even use Karl Rove for this sort of activity since the Clintons can do the dirty work for them. Genius. We’ll be discussing this complaint on this week’s No Agenda. The accusation here is that Obama is not an American. But the real reason for this complaint, I think, is to reveal all of Obama’s aliases. Barry Dunham?
Why doesn’t Obama just produce an original birth certificate, and we can all stop speculating.
He just spent a week in Hawaii and had plenty of time to stop all of this nonsense.
#28, Ah Yea,
Judges, under their oath of office, are required to halt any potential illegal action when the possibility of such action comes to their knowledge.
Nope. A Judge can not rule on any action that has not taken place. If the action is illegal, it would not need a Judge’s opinion or rule to halt it. Being illegal it should not take place to begin with. Prior Restraint is only allowed in the most extreme cases and even then are usually tossed out.
It is for this reason this suit will be tossed. Since Obama is NOT the President, there can be no challenge. If he is elected, then would be the time for a challenge. Even winning his party’s nomination would be premature as he meets the requirements for the party’s nomination AND the Democrat Party is free to field a legal, illegal, or no candidate.
In order to succeed, the challenge would need proof that the Hawaii birth certificate is false. Just because a second birth certificate exists with the same name on it does not mean it is authentic, or even the same person. An American government document is assumed to be correct on its face.
If someone used a different name for him on a school enrollment does not automatically mean Obama used that name. Again, it does not mean that this is even our Obama. If your real name is Patrick and as a nickname you are called Paddy does not make Paddy a pseudonym. The same with John / Johnny, Richard / Dick, Elizabeth / Liz, or Barak / Barry. If your name is Patrick however, and you called yourself Paul, Sonny, Chip, Red, or Bub, that would be a pseudonym.
Even if he was once called “Barry Soetoro” as a child does not mean he lied on his Bar application. Unless he was adopted his last name would remain Obama. There is no documentation that he was legally adopted.
#33 “Even winning his party’s nomination would be premature as he meets the requirements for the party’s nomination AND the Democrat Party is free to field a legal, illegal, or no candidate.”
Correct. Even if the allegations are true, this suit is premature.
#33, Fusion. Good comment. Such a good comment that you swayed me to your view. Excellent!
You’re absolutely right. The Constitution only says that someone who is not a natural citizen cannot be President.
It doesn’t say that they can’t run for President, though.
Now this begs the question. What happens if Obama is elected President and then found to be ineligible? Would Biden automatically get the job given that the DNC was forewarned?
Or would there be another election?
Another thought following up on my previous post.
This clown Berg may also be trying to put Obama in a bad light at the time between the Democratic Convention and the Republican Convention.
If he is anywhere nearly as nefarious as I think, he will try to get a Temporary Restraining Order, and then an Injunction.
He may fail at one or both, but in the mean time gives a whole lot of ammunition to those who are questioning Obama.
As I have said before:
“Perception as Reality”
A whole lot of people still believe Obama is a Muslim (and having school documents stating so isn’t going to help), and with Wright and so on in the mix, this additional bad publicity could be the deal killer.
#37–Ah Yea==we get it==you are excited. Excited sad, or excited happy, or just enjoying the show?
Lets create a hypothetical construct in which the documents about his Islamic roots are proven to be real.
So basically if I have a stepfather who adopted me and registered me as Catholic… at a local private school, this somehow makes me Catholic? Even if I was baptized in a Protestant church. People do lie on documents in order to get their children admitted into school. This is nothing new.
A second scenario is even less convincing. Following the reasoning given that I was adopted by my stepfather, I am not really sure what bearing documents pertaining to an underage individual have here. One could simply argue that I had no choice when being forced to follow Catholic doctrine. This does little to change the reality of me switching back to the Protestant church upon reaching the age of maturity.
If you are born in Hawaii after it became a State you are a citizen, natural born and otherwise. If you have a birth certificate from Hawaii saying the same, it will take “clear and convincing evidence” of a fraud to overcome the presumption of the authenticity of government records.
That is a very high burden to meet. Impossible if you get a democratic judge.
#40 “That is a very high burden to meet. Impossible if you get a democratic judge.”
If this is at all real it will be settled by the Supreme Court. I don’t think the majority are Dems.
BTW – I don’t think this is going anywhere in a real court. It will be tried in the court of public opinion…
There is no merit to these claims in the lawsuit. This is only a ploy by the GOP to get a discussion started that will make people suspicious of Obama’s loyalties/citizenship/integrity.
I wonder how much Berg got paid to do the filing?
Hillary got spanked, get over it. Next is grandpa monster.
#42 “I wonder how much Berg got paid to do the filing?”
Your tin foil hat needs adjustment. Berg doesn’t work for the repubs.
#40, bobbo,
If you have a birth certificate from Hawaii saying the same, it will take “clear and convincing evidence” of a fraud to overcome the presumption of the authenticity of government records.
That would mean finding the original documents. If the original B/C no longer exists but the records are still on file that would make an even bigger hurdle. There would have to be a proven fraud and admission that someone forged the B/C.
41, Paddy,
I agree. If there is any noise about this then look for the Democrats to scream “Swift Boat” !!! The ones who will be convinced of the validity are those who wouldn’t be voting for Obama anyway.
This guy will end up paying for Obama’s defense as well as for the case to be thrown out.
“Philip J. Berg, Esquire, [Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA, who prior hereto has filed a RICO lawsuit against Bush and others for the events of 9/11 and plans to re-file shortly] announced today that he was issuing a call for world leaders to arrest and try Bush and Cheney for the global crimes of 9/11/01.”
For his self proclaimed mini biography
http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/BergBio.htm
Interview (if you can call it that)
http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/q-with-phillip-berg.html
#38 bobbo. Excited, yes. Exited disgusted. This is another attempt to use the courts to subvert the will of the people. If people want to vote for Obama, LET THEM!
I don’t have any real faith in the legal system, but I hope I’m wrong. I hope this is tossed out due to common sense, but from what I’ve seen and experienced common sense within our judiciary is practically nonexistent.
Hi Jeff,
I hope that my comments did not suggest that you were not, in fact, both an attorney and a fully-subscribed and current dues-paying member of the bar. In fact, some of my best friends are attorneys…
Also, the argument about McCain was not directed at you. I apologize if this was unclear on my part! I thought I’d include it because it is often on of the “moral equivalence” canards often used on blogging pages and it tends to lead nowhere…
But that’s what’s fun about blogging. We can all let our innermost primal passions flow freely and not wind up kicking the dog.
Finally, I agree with the position that the case will likely be tossed out for lack of standing by the court. Having read the detailed filing and having listened last night to the 2-hour Coast-To-Coast AM interview with Mr. Berg, I conclude that he is most likely a “showboater”. Professor Laurence Tribe he ain’t.
Still, what marvelous entertainment in the dog days of summer. Especially for a libertarian observer…
SO, DNC time. Let the games begin!
Thanks for the feedback.
Ciao, Tony
John D: If you’re still reading this thread, I hope you’ve been having fun safely watching from the wilds of the East Bay… Full marks too on your site, son!
If Obama is denied the presidency due to citizenship issues, does this mean the USA will welcome its first Panamanian president?
Philip J. Berg, Esq. Files Federal Lawsuit Requesting Obama Be Removed as a
Candidate as he does not meet the Qualifications for President.
http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=43
Text of S. Res. 511: A resolution recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is
a natural born citizen.
http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=43
You guys are a bunch of idiots. Obama is so full of shit. He is as deceptive as his father. I bet none of you know anything about him either.
This is the 2008 Campaigns “Swift Boat Re-enactment Sabotage” but, so up to date! An ideal way of stirring up idiotic fears and encouraging mindless prejudices.
is it true — Excellent synopsis.
Jeff — You may be a lawyer, but you are mistaken that having multiple theories to support granting the requested relief negates all the arguments. Lawyers do it all the time. Especially in a case like this, where the essence of the case is to compel discovery, alternate theories may be alleged and discovery determines which of the competing theories, if any, prevail.
EITHER Obama was born in the US, OR he was not.
Whichever the situation, it is argued in the Complaint that Obama is not qualified. It is impossible to know what situation is the true one until discovery goes forward.
Consider this free CLE.
This action isn’t Rovian; it’s Clintonesque. If 0bie is disqualified or is incapable of finishing the campaign, who gets the nod?
Hillary. You can see the Pantsuit a mile away.
This goes beyond just trying to get Obama derailed for Hillary’s return to the race. Obama is a Zbignew Brezezinksi puppet soaked in corruption from his history with the Chicago Combine–see article:
Rezko, Obama, the Chicago Combine: Corruption We Can Believe In
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/33028.html
If Obama gets in, this will assure full scale Fascism in the U.S.
Good info here:
http://www.actindependent.org/
Mr. Berg should check all Airline flight’s from Kenya during August 1961. They should obtain Obama’s College Record’s which might show he recieved scholarship grant’s as a Foreigner! Watch out Obama, “Here Comes The Judge” (and Jury)
Attached is a comment from another blogger….
Those of you who want to understand or don’t understand the suit and the surronding law–read.
First, Attorney Berg, is not a joke, he is a former Pennsylvania’s deputy attorney general and former DNC state officer.
As for the suit, it is simple, certificate that Obama has been using in a certificate of live birth, different from a Birth Certificate. All it means is Obama was born alive does not mean he was born in Hawaii. When all U.S. Born citizens are born we get a birth certificate, the one they send us home with and the one the government sends us (one pager), but the one the Government has on file of each us is a long form that has lots of info on it, this has yet to be seen. Other irregularities have also popped up, the fact that one of the fakes used by the Obama camp was in Arial Font, not used in 1961, or the term African American, also not used then, “Negro” would have been the term then. Also problematic is the fact that Obama was adopted in Indonesia, a country that does not recognize dual citizenship, there are many other issues here including Obama’s mother being 18 (law requires 21), which made her by law, ineligible, to automatically pass her citizen ship to Obama. There are questions if Obama mother was ever married to Obama’s Kenyan father, especially since he was suppose to already be married in a woman in Kenya. Also, since he was adopted and held a Indonesia passport up to the age of 20 and was using it(passport obtained a as a result of his adoption), and that his biological father’s family says he was born in Kenya (newspapers in Kenya have run articles to that fact as well as Israel papers and other international papers, see link below). There are many other problems including but not limited to the fact that there is no record of Obama after the adoption and relocating back to the states of a U.S. citizenship swearing in ceremony renouncing other loyalties (ie, Indonesia, Kenya, and Canada). Apparently a Canadian certificate of birth has also surfaced.
It’s simple, its simple Barry needs to go to court, provide documentation, evidence, witness interviews, immigration records, etc, clear it up or resign. The Constitution is clear and the laws were put there for reasons of national security. The Constitution must apply to all, of the value of democracy is lessoned.
Look at this domain and image: http://www.usafricaonline.com/barackbama08usafrica.gif
The smell of all those dimmocrats defecating in their shorts is PRICELESS
Mainstream media could at least acknowledge some facts, Obama has many documented alias names, dual citizenship, he isn’t black or african american he is arab american, he is an indonesian citizen.
Be honest, if McCain had even one alias you would be all over it.
@#58, Pop….uhhhmmm, yeah Berg is pretty much a joke.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/01/philip-j-berg-nutbar-supreme.html
You all sound so defensive. It’s an easy enough case to settle. Three documents need to be produced by Senator Obama. How hard can that be if this case is, as you ALL belive, fiction. Three documents, that’s all it takes to end it. I think it’s very interesting that this is a problem. I don’t think anyone would have any trouble demanding a Republican produce the same informaiton if it was in question.
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1122023117263
PHIL BERG THE LAWER in this case went against the 9/11 commission and sided on people thinking 9/11 was an inside job. PHIL BERG ALSO has been asking for your money on their site for this Barack Obama case. Read into this lawer, he’s a joke!