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The American people should be eternally grateful to Old Europe for having spiked the Bush-McCain plan to bring Georgia into NATO…The war in Georgia has exposed the dangerous overextension of U.S. power. There is no way America can fight a war with Russia in the Caucasus with our army tied down in Afghanistan and Iraq. Nor should we. Hence, it is demented to be offering, as John McCain and Barack Obama are, NATO membership to Tbilisi.
The United States must decide whether it wants a partner in a flawed Russia or a second Cold War. For if we want another Cold War, we are, by cutting Russia out of the oil of the Caspian and pushing NATO into her face, going about it exactly the right way…As for Saakashvili, he’s probably toast in Tbilisi after this stunt. Let the neocons find him an endowed chair at the American Enterprise Institute.
Buchanan is a lonely conservative voice in a sea of neocon noise. Too bad nobody is listening to him.
Ugh. Buchanan is a nut. Has been a nut. Probably always will be a nut. Here are a few things he has said in the past, which one should at least consider when holding him out as a person who makes sense of anything….
“Women are simply not endowed with the same measure of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism.”
“You just wait until 1996, then you’ll see a real right-wing tyrant.”
Talking about South Africa: “We are in the process of destroying the one working economy… because it doesn’t adopt an idiotic ‘One man, one vote’ regimen.”
And yes, he even described Hitler as, “an individual of great courage, a soldier’s soldier… a political organizer of the first rank.”
I can respect conservatives (even though I disagree on many issues). But not nuts. George W. Bush once said, “I’m conservative, but I’m not a nut about it.”
Maybe Buchanan is beyond being just a nut. As Dean Koontz once said, “A fanatic is a nut who has something to believe in.”
So, which is it? Nut or a fanatic?
The fact that Obama is a Muslim jihadist makes it difficult to mediate between two Orthodox nations. However, his 20-years of “God Damn America!” sermons will place him in good stead with the anti-US irredentist powers in that part of the world. The neo-imperialist Russian powers are nervous, though, because a weaklings like Obama tend to flair and strike out to prove their manliness.
#2 Jake said,
“Women are simply not endowed with the same measure of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism.”
Well no insult intended to women, but they do tend to focus on family and home while many men have ambitions that cause them to focus on careers, power and money.
“You just wait until 1996, then you’ll see a real right-wing tyrant.”
Well he was only short by four years!
Talking about South Africa: “We are in the process of destroying the one working economy… because it doesn’t adopt an idiotic ‘One man, one vote’ regimen.”
I don’t quite know about the specifics of this case but the USA has a long and sorted history of helping countries that “go along” with our government’s way of thinking and attempting to subvert and destroy the governments that don’t.
And yes, he even described Hitler as, “an individual of great courage, a soldier’s soldier… a political organizer of the first rank.”
Well Hitler was certainly a monster but he managed to transform the remnants of post WWI Germany into a superpower that nearly took over the world. The qualities needed to do this would tend to support the above observations.
I had long ago written off Pat Buchanan as a nut case but your example quotes and this story make me want to take another look. His views are starting to make sense to me.
Thank you!
good article, nice find John.
-now, lets see if anyone else picks
it up..
its f’n amazing, the amount of people participating in this sham,
from the white house to media.
-truly shows the death grip the neocons have on media all over the world..(ie BBC & Co.)
it will be interesting to say the least, as to how this eventually gets portrayed in the history books..
lastly.. lmao at Saakashvili eating his tie.. its’ prolly
Condi on the other side saying,
“sorry, things aren’t going to plan..your on your own.”
-s
I don’t think this conflict is worth the US getting involved in. Not with Russia, not now. The last thing the US could be in is another Cold War.
I’d say this is a case where the EU is powerful enough to handle it on their own, along with the UN. NATO should probably not get too involved either (NATO/Warsaw anyone?).
Georgia started it if I’m not mistaken and Russia probably reacted the same way the US would’ve in order to “protect” US Citizens. Remember the Dominican civil war in the 60’s?
Beyond that, isn’t it basically the point Buchanan is trying to make? Great article.
Outside the USA, no one questions whether or not Georgia invaded South Ossetia. Newspapers and TV recorded it.
Here’s the only part they missed:
@#7: But isn’t South Ossetia a part of Georgia? If that’s the case then how can Georgia be blamed of invading their own province?
Isn’t this the equivalent of a Civil War in that country where SO wanted to annex itself from Georgia? If that’s the case, isn’t that an internal matter that should’ve been left to Georgia to handle on it’s own? I think Russia over did it and I really think they’re testing the waters to see if they can retake Georgia. In a perfect world, Russia would’ve provided support to evacuate its citizens from that region and left it at that. But they seem to want to occupy and take back Georgia.
People, jump in here and tell me where I’m wrong and maybe give me a link to a site that explains this mess.
I love this guy and hate his social policies at the same time.I think he is a nut and a patriot.Thank you Pat.
Just read the blog, pendejo: 🙂
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=21081
@#10: No need for the name calling.
I still think Russia has over-reacted and is taking advantage of the situation.
“Overextension” pretty much sums it up. Not only that, you would need a US president with enough whit to recognize what this is and know how to respond.
The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. Kosh
#8
Georgia started this. It claims to have dominion over South Ossetia and Abkhazia, but it has no claim to it. Both regions were joined with Georgia ONLY under the U.S.S.R, which is dead.
The people of these regions have Russian passports, they consider themselves seperate and look to Russia to help them. The Georgians have been attacking them for a while now, the latest incident was Georgian snipers shooting innocent civilians. This is nationalism on Georgia’s part, pure and simple. That’s one of the reasons why Saakashvili got elected in 2004, he is aggressively trying to integrate the regions. Kosovo has far more historical ties with Serbia than Abkhazia and South Ossetia have with Georgia, there is no good reason why the US and NATO shouldn’t officially recognise their independence. But then of course they want to keep Georgia sweet.
Russia gave Georgia enough warnings.
Really good and sobering article. I hope to god this gets wide coverage.
@#14, Jim, thanks for the comment. It’s a lot clearer now.
I agree with many here and with Buchanan. We cannot afford to get involved with this. Also, why mess with Russia’s neighborhood by sticking our missiles in Poland? Why are we isolating Russia this way? Why are we doing this? Is this the same that Russia tried to do with Cuba? We almost went to war over it until Russia backed off. I don’t like the direction this is heading. The world is a better place with Russia as our Ally and not our enemy once more. Damn it! Enough to say something stupid like, if McCain supports this administrations actions with this incident and Obama doesn’t, then, me being a Conservative that’s always voted Republican, will probably have to vote for the Messiah.
“Who rules Abkhazia and South Ossetia is none of our business.”
Notice that Buchanan is pretty much alone in presenting this obvious truth in the MSM.
This “entangling alliance” bullshit of the sort George Washington warned against is what started both WWI and WWII, and idiots are trying to lay tripwires around Russia by pushing NATO up against its borders.
Just when you thought the species was safe from nuclear self-annihilation, new players arrive to start the brinksmanship game again.
We are over extended and now we can’t do jack about anything or our military will fall apart at the seams.
“Georgia started this. It claims to have dominion over South Ossetia and Abkhazia, but it has no claim to it. Both regions were joined with Georgia ONLY under the U.S.S.R, which is dead.”
Not entirely. The region of Abkhazia was part of the Kingdom of Colchis in the ancient world. It was consolidated into the Kingdom of Georgia around the first Millennia.
Ossetia has gone back and forth between independent, dependent of the Kingdom of Georgia, conquered by Mongols, part of Byzantine empire, and part of the Russian empire. Oh, ya, and conquered by the USSR.
Georgia claims the Russians were sending an armored column into the Caucasus mountains as a prelude to invasion. The Georgians tried to blow up a bridge to keep the Russians out. The Russians claim to be defending their citizens, of which many Ossetians hold Russian passports. This last para. courtesy of Pravda.
Probably plenty of blame to throw around. Throw in NATO, an oil pipeline, Georgian and Russian arrogance, and you get a big shit storm.
Best for the US not to get too involved, but it may be too late.
#20, Geof,
Geeze, isn’t this the second post today of yours I agree with?
Getting your news source from the Russians might be as unwise as learning about McCain from the Republican Newsletter.
#21 – Fusion, might be, but it sure helps augment the MSM in the good ol’ US of A.
The historical facts are from Wikipedia and Gibbon’s “Decline and Fall …”
Actually, a lot of people agree with me. It just seems that whenever I find logic, reason, or fact with Conservative principles I get the usual “tolerance and open-mindedness” of the Left. 😉